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Steubenville, Ohio, Jul 26, 2012 / 05:03 pm (CNA).- In response to a threatened lawsuit from an atheist group, the Steubenville, Ohio city council says it will remove from its new city logo an image of the Franciscan University of Steubenville’s chapel.

The action drew criticism from Franciscan University’s vice president of advancement Michael Hernon.

“We find it particularly troubling that an out of town and out of touch group targeted the University for removal from the logo solely because of our religious identity,” Hernon said July 25 on behalf of the university.

“For more than 65 years, Franciscan University of Steubenville has proudly served as an integral part of this community and we were honored to have our chapel included in the new city of Steubenville logo.”

The city’s present logo, unveiled in December 2011, displays in silhouette the downtown cityscape and various landmarks of the city including Historic Fort Steuben, the Veterans Memorial Bridge and Franciscan University’s Christ the King Chapel.

The Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation had threatened legal action over the logo’s inclusion of the chapel and the cross.

Annie Laurie Gaylor told the Steubenville Herald-Star that the logo is a symbol “that Steubenville is a theocracy and is a Christian city where non-Christians or non-believers are not favored citizens.”

She said a Steubenville citizen had contacted her organization to complain about the logo, which Gaylor said violates the U.S. Constitution because it includes the chapel.

“While we understand that Franciscan University is a part of the city, the city may not depict the university chapel and cross because to do so places the city’s imprimatur behind Christianity,” she said.

On July 24 city officials decided to change the logo, citing concerns that a legal fight would be very expensive for the city.

Henan said the city included chapel because it represents Franciscan University, the “world-renowned center of higher learning and one of the largest employers in the region.”

Steubenville businessman Mark Nelson, who helped designed the logo for the city, told the Herald-Star he found it “very frustrating that one person or a small group can complain and ultimately change the city’s logo.”

Henan said that the university declined the city’s offer to be represented on the logo by another chapel building because the chapel and its cross are the “centerpiece” of the university logo and are “at the heart of our Catholic educational mission.”

He said the chapel’s presence in the logo does not endorse any one religion but “merely signifies one of the many treasures of Steubenville.”

Deacon Greg Kandra of New York, writing at the Patheos.com blog “The Deacon’s Bench,” strongly criticized the opposition to the logo.

“This sort of foolishness only goes to show that politically correct yahoos on the left have at last become what they most despised among people on the right: intolerant, judgmental, petty and … picayune.”
 
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How long before these fruit loops start trying to sue individual Christians for being Christians?

At least we continue to accrue counterpoints to lob back at those who want to play the “religious intolerance card.”

Deacon Greg said all that need be said.
 
Why must those who claim not to believe, fight so hard to stop others from believing.

The phrase “Separation of Church and State” (originally written as a “wall of separation between church and state,”) is so often taken out of context.

Metaphorically meaning that the church should stay out of the state’s business and the state staying out of the church’s business.
 
Soon they will try to change the city names ex. San Diego, St. Augustine
 
Response/explanation from the Freedom from Religion Foundation
An wholly unconvincing argument.

BTW - the name of this organization tells all. In this country, there is supposed to be freedom of (not from) religion.

Perhaps also the University can be reorganized as a separate legal jurisdiction, so as to negate any of the obvious economic benefits to Steubenville from its presence in the city. Surely the revenues and taxes tainted by Catholicism are to be avoided, as well.
 
Response/explanation from the Freedom from Religion Foundation

(from in The Herald Star online: heraldstaronline.com/page/content.detail/id/576193/Legal-threat-over-logo-frustrating-for-designer.html?nav=5010):🙂

Annie Laurie Gaylor of the Freedom from Religion Foundation Inc. said in a telephone interview the logo was a symbol, “that Steubenville is a theocracy and is a Christian city where non-Christians or non-believers are not favored citizens.”

She described the organization as, "a state-church watchdog that citizen



    1. s can contact to remedy issues."

      “We were contacted by a citizen of Steubenville because this is clearly an unconstitutional issue,” said Gaylor.

      A foundation press release Wednesday afternoon claimed victory.

      “Any claims of historical or cultural significance to the Latin cross on the Steubenville logo do not relieve the city of its constitutional obligations. The City of Steubenville must not endorse ‘faith’ and church. While we understand that Franciscan University is a part of the city, the city may not depict the university chapel and cross because to do so places the city’s imprimatur behind Christianity. This excludes non-Christians and violates the Constitution,” said Gaylor.

      “It’s so clear why a city cannot and should not send a message that it is has a Christian orientation, thereby making Christian residents favored insiders, and non-Christians, including non-believers, outsiders. Government cannot pick sides on religion. All citizens, whether Christian, Jewish, atheist or agnostic, Muslim or others must be welcomed as full participants, and the only way to do that is to keep religion out of government,” Gaylor said.

    1. Oh, please. What vapid excuse making. They hate Christians. It’s that simple. The founding fathers would laugh and cry at the same time to see this utterly insipid, spineless and, most importantly, erroneous interpretation of the Constitution. Putting a Church on the city logo does not amount to that church being a state-endorsed religion, and certainly not a theocracy. Does this woman realize how completely marooned she sounds? It’s as if the NAACP were to file a suit against a state for featuring a white person in their logo, showing they were clearly white supremacists and that colored purple were not favored citizens. This foundation repeatedly shows it has nothing better to do than fume and throw anti-religious hissy fits. These folks weren’t hugged enough as children or something.
 
Annie has been causing havoc on Wisconsin for years. The liberals here love her. Will be a rude awakening when she dies and finds the truth…it will be too late.
 
Oh, please. What vapid excuse making. They hate Christians. It’s that simple. The founding fathers would laugh and cry at the same time to see this utterly insipid, spineless and, most importantly, erroneous interpretation of the Constitution. Putting a Church on the city logo does not amount to that church being a state-endorsed religion, and certainly not a theocracy. Does this woman realize how completely marooned she sounds? It’s as if the NAACP were to file a suit against a state for featuring a white person in their logo, showing they were clearly white supremacists and that colored purple were not favored citizens. This foundation repeatedly shows it has nothing better to do than fume and throw anti-religious hissy fits. These folks weren’t hugged enough as children or something.
A few years ago Zion Illinois which was founded by a protestant minister, John Alexander Dowey, had the same deal with some athiests. I the city’s seal had a cross on it and it was just “too religious” for some people. This was in the late 1980s and here is a link to an article about it
Atheist Takes Zion City to Court Over Seal with Cross

Christian Post

… in a federal court against the city of Zion … 1987 lawsuit against the seal by the Illinois chapter of American Atheists … Atheist to Fix Science’s ‘PR Problem’
 
Why must those who claim not to believe, fight so hard to stop others from believing.

The phrase “Separation of Church and State” (originally written as a “wall of separation between church and state,”) is so often taken out of context.

Metaphorically meaning that the church should stay out of the state’s business and the state staying out of the church’s business.
I wonder the same thing.

DGB
 
I hope everyone realizes this is a war of attrition. A well funded group with a cause forces cities and towns to go to court over such a matter. Especially in a poor economy, an immediate drain on resources with legal fees and other expenses necessary in defense quickly becomes something which is unjustifiable to taxpayers. Cost/benefit analysis kicks in, and it is far less expensive to cave in, especially since Christians are supposed to be forgiving, and taxpayers are usually not, especially in hard times. Make no mistake that this is the strategy. Unfortunately, the very framework which protects freedom of religion in America (at least for the moment, until it is eradicated) permits such a strategy to be successful. That said, its not all that clever, and as someone already pointed out, we are ultimately accountable to a higher authority.

Take solace: despite repeated attempts by similar groups, we are still “One Nation Under God” :yup:
 
catholicnewsagency.com/news/steubenville-axes-catholic-chapel-from-logo-after-legal-threat/

Steubenville, Ohio, Jul 26, 2012 / 05:03 pm (CNA).- In response to a threatened lawsuit from an atheist group, the Steubenville, Ohio city council says it will remove from its new city logo an image of the Franciscan University of Steubenville’s chapel.

The action drew criticism from Franciscan University’s vice president of advancement Michael Hernon.

“We find it particularly troubling that an out of town and out of touch group targeted the University for removal from the logo solely because of our religious identity,” Hernon said July 25 on behalf of the university.

“For more than 65 years, Franciscan University of Steubenville has proudly served as an integral part of this community and we were honored to have our chapel included in the new city of Steubenville logo.”

The city’s present logo, unveiled in December 2011, displays in silhouette the downtown cityscape and various landmarks of the city including Historic Fort Steuben, the Veterans Memorial Bridge and Franciscan University’s Christ the King Chapel.

The Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation had threatened legal action over the logo’s inclusion of the chapel and the cross.

Annie Laurie Gaylor told the Steubenville Herald-Star that the logo is a symbol “that Steubenville is a theocracy and is a Christian city where non-Christians or non-believers are not favored citizens.”

She said a Steubenville citizen had contacted her organization to complain about the logo, which Gaylor said violates the U.S. Constitution because it includes the chapel.

“While we understand that Franciscan University is a part of the city, the city may not depict the university chapel and cross because to do so places the city’s imprimatur behind Christianity,” she said.

On July 24 city officials decided to change the logo, citing concerns that a legal fight would be very expensive for the city.

Henan said the city included chapel because it represents Franciscan University, the “world-renowned center of higher learning and one of the largest employers in the region.”

Steubenville businessman Mark Nelson, who helped designed the logo for the city, told the Herald-Star he found it “very frustrating that one person or a small group can complain and ultimately change the city’s logo.”

Henan said that the university declined the city’s offer to be represented on the logo by another chapel building because the chapel and its cross are the “centerpiece” of the university logo and are “at the heart of our Catholic educational mission.”

He said the chapel’s presence in the logo does not endorse any one religion but “merely signifies one of the many treasures of Steubenville.”

Deacon Greg Kandra of New York, writing at the Patheos.com blog “The Deacon’s Bench,” strongly criticized the opposition to the logo.

“This sort of foolishness only goes to show that politically correct yahoos on the left have at last become what they most despised among people on the right: intolerant, judgmental, petty and … picayune.”
From my memory of an old news article about this Madison, WI, organization, the founders are on a personal mission. And they don’t care where it takes them, just as long as there is a chance to defeat religion.
 
UPDATE: August 1, 2012 – The issue is now on hold. Last night, a group of Steubenville citizens presented the City Council with a petition protesting the removal of the silhouette of the Christ the King Chapel at Franciscan University of Steubenville from the city’s unofficial logo. In addition, several attorneys have contacted the office of City Law Director Gary Repella, offering to represent the city pro-bono. How can you show your support?
Sign the online petition to keep the City of Steubenville logo.
thepracticingcatholic.com/2012/07/26/the-smoke-of-satan-in-steubenville
 
I do see a day coming when any public display of religious faith is illegal using similar arguments made here. For example any type of Eucharistic procession, or crosses on top of Church steeples being visible, ect.

The fact of the matter is that these groups simply don’t want to look at a symbol of any religion. If they are forced to look at it, they feel their rights are being violated.
 
The fact of the matter is that these groups simply don’t want to look at a symbol of any religion. If they are forced to look at it, they feel their rights are being violated.
If it were only that simple. Regrettably, its much deeper than that … 😦
 
If it were only that simple. Regrettably, its much deeper than that … 😦
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The real goal of course is that everyone should think like them, and if one disagrees with them then that person or group should lose some rights of expression and free speech.
 
The real goal of course is that everyone should think like them, and if one disagrees with them then that person or group should lose some rights of expression and free speech.
… deeper still

The goal is full supression of all forms of religious expression, the dismantling of all organized religion and ultimately its extinction.

Fear not - that social experiment (Communism) was already run and failed. Neither faith nor the Church was exterminated, as intended. The blood of the many Martyrs, known and unknown, who died in defense of the True Faith prevailed then and will prevail again.
 
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The real goal of course is that everyone should think like them, and if one disagrees with them then that person or group should lose some rights of expression and free speech.
The foundation goal is to destroy Catholicism. A major step, in their eyes, is to destroy religious liberty for all.
 
The foundation goal is to destroy Catholicism. A major step, in their eyes, is to destroy religious liberty for all.
You give them too little credit. Why stop at Catholicism? The goal is to end all forms of religion and make us a nation of atheists.
 
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