Stewards of Gods Creation.Are we or are we not?

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Well, the Pope has officially declared it a sin to pollute or contribute to pollution or to be mean to animals.What does this mean to you?How does it affect you? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT???In my personal opinion I think its about time,if not a little too little and a little too late…
 
That_one_guy said:
Well, the Pope has officially declared it a sin to pollute or contribute to pollution or to be mean to animals.What does this mean to you?How does it affect you? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT???In my personal opinion I think its about time,if not a little too little and a little too late…
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Can you provide a link? I would like to know what being mean to animals entails.

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That_one_guy said:
It appears I stand corrected.How humbling.B16 did talk about the manipulation of human genes.I think I made the jump to animals via pollution from factory farming.Now I’m in a conundrum.Most perplexing.
Anyway,…I see that connection.
So,to cover my butt…
youtube.com/watch?v=Ufkxm5Fy_1o

youtube.com/watch?v=Bng75ig72L0

two short videos.

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this is a 3-video series documentary that i think addresses the stewardship issue very well. it’s long, but well worth watching - it is NOT a pro-animal rights or “go veg” vid. it is pro-family farming and what industrialized farming is doing to communities, traditional farming, and the environment - although the small hog farmers do express their sadness over how the animals are treated.

part 1:
youtube.com/watch?v=4GmOR8EthX0

part 2:
youtube.com/watch?v=-IbZ5Mdv5HA

part 3:
youtube.com/watch?v=RfAoEPP3aSg
 
That_one_guy said:
Well, the Pope has officially declared it a sin to pollute or contribute to pollution or to be mean to animals.What does this mean to you?How does it affect you? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT???In my personal opinion I think its about time,if not a little too little and a little too late…
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The Church teaching on animals:

CCC 2417 God entrusted animals to the stewardship of those whom he created in his own image. Hence it is legitimate to use animals for food and clothing. They may be domesticated to help man in his work and leisure. Medical and scientific experimentation on animals is a morally acceptable practice if it remains within reasonable limits and contributes to caring for or saving human lives.

CCC 2418 It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly. It is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priority go to the relief of human misery. One can love animals; one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons.
 
That_one_guy said:
Well, the Pope has officially declared it a sin to pollute or contribute to pollution or to be mean to animals.What does this mean to you?How does it affect you? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT???In my personal opinion I think its about time,if not a little too little and a little too late…
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last I checked I am not running a factory or agricultural operation that is polluting, and the necessary waste generated by this family is handled by public utility established for the purpose. What exactly are you demanding in your all caps attack?
 
I have found for many years that being a good steward means taking care of the stuff I can take care of… we eat vegetarian and fish. We recycle, we drive littel, walk lots, and do what we personally can. It’s always been we do what we personally must do and not worry about others.
 
Haven’t we always been steward’s of God’s resources?

Being a good steward means wisely, economically, not to excess, not greedily… pretty much according to one’s need (and not so much to one’s want).

Stewardship was entrusted to us by God, and as such, we will be held in account of how we did such.

This whole earth is a resource from God, and everything on/in/of it. This makes it apply to our living life, and how we do it with what we do it with. It also implies knowing and innocence in the use of it… what we did not know was a result of our use alongside of what we did know was a result of this use.

An example: cars put CO2 out of there exhaust; humans breath and exhale CO2… greenery (trees) take in CO2 and give off oxygen… where is the balance? Evaporated water puts both hydrogen and oxygen into the air, but humans need water to live… a balance again.
A good steward would contribute (more) to maintaining the balance, while a bad steward would contribute (more) to destroying it, perhaps for financial gain or laziness (sloth), however it is ‘rationalized’ by them after the fact.
 
Michael_David said:
This whole earth is a resource from God, and everything on/in/of it.
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Watching just a short section of those horrific industrial slaughter houses makes me want to become a Jain or Buddhist.

Believe it or not, our species, homo sapiens, is a part of nature, not outside of it. Everything on the planet was not created solely for our own greed and consumption.

If you can watch and listen to those slaughter house films and not look away in disgust and horror, then either you are not fully emotionally developed, desensitized by constant viewing of such horror, or worse.

edit: just want to spell out what I meant by worse. By worse, I mean a psychopath.
 
First of all, Pope Benedict did NOT “officially” declare “new” sins.

The Church **already **teaches about our role in the stewardship of the earth and on moral issues.

The Vatican was highlighting certain aspects of major concern in our world that are current and timely, and putting it in the “seven deadly sins” format is a literary device to highlight the importance of these issues.

All of the things discussed already fall into one of the categories of grave matter outlined in the Ten Commandments and Beatitudes.

Nothing new here at all.
 
from:culturalcatholic.com/PopeBenedictXVI.htm

Pope Benedict XVI is concerned about the welfare of animals. “That is a very serious question. At any rate, we can see that they are given into our care, that we cannot just do whatever we want with them. Animals, too, are God’s creatures . . . Certainly, a sort of industrial use of creatures, so that geese are fed in such a way as to produce as large a liver as possible, or hens live so packed together that they become just caricatures of birds, this degrading of living creatures to a commodity seems to me in fact to contradict the relationship of mutuality that comes across in the Bible,” said Pope Benedict XVI.

Catholic Beatle Paul McCartney praised Pope Benedict XVI’s strong stand against cruelty to animals, including factory farming. “God bless him. That certainly is a basic tenet of the Catholic religion.”
 
redhen said:
Watching just a short section of those horrific industrial slaughter houses makes me want to become a Jain or Buddhist.

Believe it or not, our species, homo sapiens, is a part of nature, not outside of it. Everything on the planet was not created solely for our own greed and consumption.

If you can watch and listen to those slaughter house films and not look away in disgust and horror, then either you are not fully emotionally developed, desensitized by constant viewing of such horror, or worse.

edit: just want to spell out what I meant by worse. By worse, I mean a psychopath.
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i have never understood those who will argue first that, since man is created in the image of God and a moral, rational being, we are “superior” to animals in all ways… and then yet turn around and say “well a lion kills animals, what about them?” :doh2:

BECAUSE we are created in God’s image, we ought to be emulating His mercy and Love to those creatures He has given us stewardship of. BECAUSE we are morally superior, we ought to know right from wrong, and be appalled at any wanton cruelty towards those creatures that are at our complete mercy.

one of my favorite quotes:
“Men have forgotten this truth, but you must not forget it. You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed.” -Antoine de Saint-Exupery The Little Prince
 
thistle said:
The Church teaching on animals:

CCC 2417 God entrusted animals to the stewardship of those whom he created in his own image. Hence it is legitimate to use animals for food and clothing. They may be domesticated to help man in his work and leisure. Medical and scientific experimentation on animals is a morally acceptable practice if it remains within reasonable limits and contributes to caring for or saving human lives.

CCC 2418 It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly. It is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priority go to the relief of human misery. One can love animals; one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons.
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I think when then CCC talks about animals and love here,…they may be referring to bestiality or an obsessive substitution for human platonic love.
You have a pet don’t you?I love my dog.But not in a way due my fiancee.

I thank you for the references.👍 I feel it supports my stance.
 
That_one_guy said:
I think when then CCC talks about animals and love here,…they may be referring to bestiality or an obsessive substitution for human platonic love.
You have a pet don’t you?I love my dog.But not in a way due my fiancee.

I thank you for the references.👍 I feel it supports my stance.
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I assume that’s a joke because if not you are mocking the Church. It has nothing to do with bestiality. That’s a ridiculous comment to make.

The Church has always taught there should be no unnecessary suffering of animals. However, we have dominion over them. We can eat them. We can use them for clothing. We can use them for medical experiments to find cures for human illness. We must care for them to the extent that limited resources are used first to care for humans because we are above all other animals. I am not saying animals are unimportant but humans are more important. Humans have priority over animals.
Its a pity that all the animal lovers and animal conservationists didn’t put as much time, energy and passion into saving the millions of children being aborted and the hundreds of millions who go to bed hungry every night because they have no food.
 
thistle said:
I assume that’s a joke because if not you are mocking the Church. It has nothing to do with bestiality. That’s a ridiculous comment to make.
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I certainly have no intention of mocking the Church!What sort of ‘undue affection’ are we talking about, then?Please forgive my ignorance.I’m here to learn,as well as try to do my part to bring certain issues to light.I assure you that my statements are sincere.Even if they’re wrong.I’ve learned a lot in these forums!👍
The Church has always taught there should be no unnecessary suffering of animals. However, we have dominion over them. We can eat them. We can use them for clothing. We can use them for medical experiments to find cures for human illness. We must care for them to the extent that limited resources are used first to care for humans because we are above all other animals. I am not saying animals are unimportant but humans are more important. Humans have priority over animals.
Its a pity that all the animal lovers and animal conservationists didn’t put as much time, energy and passion into saving the millions of children being aborted and the hundreds of millions who go to bed hungry every night because they have no food.
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I totally agree with you.And the same statement you just made here can apply to those who eat animals,too.
I know this is a heated subject.It’s easy to let our emotions get in the way. People on another thread are using the ignore function because of this sort of stuff.
My choice not to eat animals is a spiritual one as well as a health issue. Romans 14:13-22 is my stance here.
See my post #11, above.Is this not relevant?

Thistle,I appreciate your (name removed by moderator)ut.I REALLY WANT TO KNOW how we can help to serve God better.And to serve Him, we must serve our fellow humans.If I eat animals from factory farms, am I not indirectly contributing to the destruction of Gods creation?
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That_one_guy said:
I certainly have no intention of mocking the Church!What sort of ‘undue affection’ are we talking about, then?Please forgive my ignorance.I’m here to learn,as well as try to do my part to bring certain issues to light.I assure you that my statements are sincere.Even if they’re wrong.I’ve learned a lot in these forums!👍
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This paragraph on animals is not referring to beastiality. “Undue affection” is the treating of an animal as if it were a person. There are people here who will say they don’t want to go to Heaven if their pet isn’t going to be there. Others who will spend thousands on their pet for outfits, doggie spa, grooming, and even cancer treatments. Still others only want to have pets and no children. They treat their pets as children.

The commandment condemning beastiality is the Sixth Commandment.
That_one_guy said:
My choice not to eat animals is a spiritual one as well as a health issue.
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Your choice to eat animals is just that-- your choice. There is NO prohibition on eating animals. In fact, the Church says just the opposite-- we certainly CAN eat animals.
 
That_one_guy said:
I certainly have no intention of mocking the Church!What sort of ‘undue affection’ are we talking about, then?Please forgive my ignorance.I’m here to learn,as well as try to do my part to bring certain issues to light.I assure you that my statements are sincere.Even if they’re wrong.I’ve learned a lot in these forums!👍
I totally agree with you.And the same statement you just made here can apply to those who eat animals,too.
I know this is a heated subject.It’s easy to let our emotions get in the way. People on another thread are using the ignore function because of this sort of stuff.
My choice not to eat animals is a spiritual one as well as a health issue. Romans 14:13-22 is my stance here.
See my post #11, above.Is this not relevant?

Thistle,I appreciate your (name removed by moderator)ut.I REALLY WANT TO KNOW how we can help to serve God better.And to serve Him, we must serve our fellow humans.If I eat animals from factory farms, am I not indirectly contributing to the destruction of Gods creation?
🤷
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You post #11 refers to the Church teaching which I quoted about “unnecessary” suffering. I don’t disagree with that.

I don’t understand what you mean by “contributing to the destruction of God’s creation.” We are not supposed to be unnecessarily cruel to animals but we are allowed to eat them. To eat them we have to kill them (i.e. destroy them) which God allows us to do.

We can help to serve God better by concentrating on helping people. Aborted children and the starving of the world merit our attention before animals.
 
thistle said:
You post #11 refers to the Church teaching which I quoted about “unnecessary” suffering. I don’t disagree with that.

I don’t understand what you mean by “contributing to the destruction of God’s creation.” We are not supposed to be unnecessarily cruel to animals but we are allowed to eat them. To eat them we have to kill them (i.e. destroy them) which God allows us to do.

We can help to serve God better by concentrating on helping people. Aborted children and the starving of the world merit our attention before animals.
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I agree with everything you have said.
But,in the realm of stewardship as I understand it, there are also environmental concerns.Such as,‘what sort of world are our children’s children going to inherit?’
A large portion of the environmental issues today such as tainted foods and water supplies are the direct result of factory farming.
These problems could be lessened by returning to older more humane methods of farming and raising livestock.Which livestock is more often than not kept in unsanitary conditions and extremely close quarters.Milking cows which never see the light of day and standing in their own excrement.Chickens and turkeys kept by the thousands in warehouses also in their own excrement.
the excrement gets on the workers and machines and finds it way into the food made from these animals.The waste from these animals is used to fertile crops and even just recently there were recalls of tomatoes and spinach,etc.
The list goes on and on.I could post links.Some of them are very disturbing.
It could be argued that these links only show the worst of it.But,they are actually the rule and not the exception.
Do you want some links?
 
1ke said:
This paragraph on animals is not referring to beastiality. “Undue affection” is the treating of an animal as if it were a person. There are people here who will say they don’t want to go to Heaven if their pet isn’t going to be there. Others who will spend thousands on their pet for outfits, doggie spa, grooming, and even cancer treatments. Still others only want to have pets and no children. They treat their pets as children.

The commandment condemning beastiality is the Sixth Commandment.

Your choice to eat animals is just that-- your choice. There is NO prohibition on eating animals. In fact, the Church says just the opposite-- we certainly CAN eat animals.
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I have never claimed that people can’t eat animals.I don’t eat animals.and ,again,I refer everybody to Romans 14:13-22
 
That_one_guy said:
I agree with everything you have said.
But,in the realm of stewardship as I understand it, there are also environmental concerns.Such as,‘what sort of world are our children’s children going to inherit?’
A large portion of the environmental issues today such as tainted foods and water supplies are the direct result of factory farming.
These problems could be lessened by returning to older more humane methods of farming and raising livestock.Which livestock is more often than not kept in unsanitary conditions and extremely close quarters.Milking cows which never see the light of day and standing in their own excrement.Chickens and turkeys kept by the thousands in warehouses also in their own excrement.
the excrement gets on the workers and machines and finds it way into the food made from these animals.The waste from these animals is used to fertile crops and even just recently there were recalls of tomatoes and spinach,etc.
The list goes on and on.I could post links.Some of them are very disturbing.
It could be argued that these links only show the worst of it.But,they are actually the rule and not the exception.
Do you want some links?
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Why do I need links? I agree with the Church’s teaching that we should not cause animals unnecessary suffering. I also agree that we should look after the environment.
I am simply saying that when it comes to animals, humans matter more and take priority.
 
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