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[Daniel_Marsh]

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[Daniel_Marsh]

Torino, Italy in 1981, reported AB Negative blood type on Shroud blood stain.

But, a weeping statue produces,

Santiago, Chili: November 14, 1992
A six-inch-high porcelain statue of the Virgin Mary wept tears of blood. The liquid staining the image has been verified as human blood, Type 0 Positive. The statue wept many times, particularly when children were around. The small blue and white porcelain statue belongs to Olga Rodriguez, a housewife from the working class La Cisterna district in the south of Santiago.

crystalinks.com/weepingstatues.html

Despite the lack of a visible human form, numerous Eucharistic miracles have confirmed the fact that Jesus is truly present in human flesh. When the costume (figuratively speaking) has been removed, what typically has been seen is heart flesh with an O blood type. For the belief that the Consecrated Bread was truly Jesus’ Body, the early Church chose to suffer accusations of cannibalism and other calumny, persecution, and even torture and death. Their blood has witnessed that it is Christ’s Flesh we partake of when we celebrate the Mass.

gospa.org/pl/pages/articles/announcements.html?ra=1;id=301

However, catholics realize that if this is the blood of christ, then they all should have at least the same blood type,

for example,
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=128964

which is based on,

Blood Type Found In Icons Is Same As In Shroud Of Turin And ‘Lanciano Miracle’
spiritdaily.org/Sign_Wonders/bolognastudy.htm

google.com/search?hl=en&q=+%22blood+type+AB%22++weeping+statue

google.com/search?hl=en&q=stigmata++%22blood+type%22++DNA+mapping+catholic

Why don’t they do DNA mapping on those so-called miracles?

But,

Where is the spiritual center of the whole of mankind? In the Eucharist! Out of the unfathomable depths of His love, the Lord Jesus has granted many miracles to confirm this truth. One in particular is appropriately mentioned here because the miracle not only manifested the Real Presence, but also the Sacred Heart. In the 8th century, at Lanciano, Italy a Basilian monk was praying to be relieved from his doubts about the Real Presence. One morning when he was having a strong attack of doubt, he began the consecration of the Mass. What he beheld as he consecrated the bread and the wine caused his hands to shake, indeed his whole body. He stood for a long time with his back to the people, and then slowly turned round to them. He said, “O fortunate witnesses to whom the Blessed God, to confound my disbelief, has wished to reveal Himself in this Most Blessed Sacrament and to render Himself visible to our eyes. Come, brethren, and marvel at our God so close to us. Behold the Flesh and Blood of our most beloved Christ.” The host had turned into Flesh. The wine had turned into Blood.

This was just the beginning of the miracle. Twelve centuries have passed and the Flesh and Blood, without any preservatives, remain fresh. In 1970 extensive scientific investigation on the Eucharistic miracle was permitted which revealed the Flesh and Blood to be truly human. The blood type is AB+ and what is truly awesome and marvelous: the flesh was shown to be part of the muscular tissue of the heart.

miraclerosarymission.org/aug2.htm

Anyone know what blood types produce what other blood types?

O plus what produces AB neg for example?

 

[MariaG]

Anyone know what blood types produce what other blood types?

O plus what produces AB neg for example?

I was looking briefly at my Eat right for your blood type book and it says that AB is a rare combo of A and B, and is the newest blood type.

Someone, (non-Christian) says this in fact proves that the shroud of Turin cannot be of Christ since AB is too new of a blood type for this to be possible.

I have been meaning to ask around here, but, really this is more targeted than the stigmata and I guess I should start a new thread:blush:

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

Good question, I never heard it was a “new” blood type. But, is it possible that it existed and went out of existence in the past?

If someone is using it as an argument, than ask them for the scienctific references, not the popular anti-catholic sources.

biology.arizona.edu/Human_Bio/problem_sets/blood_types/markers.html

From this chart in above link,

As you can see from the chart at this link, if one of the parents is blood type O, say the weeping blood Mary statue, than She can only produce a child of OO, AO or BO blood type.

Now if Jesus is blood type O, for example then both his parents would have to be blood type O, which rules out all the AB blood type “miracles”

I would expect at the very least, that a blood type from Mary’s statue would be possible to produce a blood type of Jesus’ blood.

But, one can get around this by saying Jesus was created in the womb without any of Mary’s DNA.

I for one would be interrested in the DNA map of the shroud vs the other miracles.

 

[DianJo]

1. Most scientists conclude Carbon testing will prove inconclusive on this particular garment…due to the smoke…and various elements fused into the garment…from the fire, etc. Also…interesting to note…gum arabic was found next to the place where the original samples
   were taken…it was common practice to use gum arabic to hold threads during weaving repairs. Blood type AB was found on the Shroud of Turin…the same blood type found on Veronica’s Veil. The image on Veronica’s Veil matches the face on the Shroud of Turin. The only difference is that on Veronica’s Veil…the eyes are open.

DANG! AFTER I TYPED THIS, I WENT BACK AND THERE WAS THE SAME INFORMATION A FEW POSTS UP! SORRY!

I did the highlighting here - It is also the same blood type - AB - as the flesh and blood Eucharistic miracle at Lanciano, Italy! Which, btw, was determined to be actual heart muscle with all the normal components of a heart muscle!
How 'bout that??

 

[Writer]

We’re not sure.

Death during crucifixion was usually caused by cardiac arrest. For those being crucified…and were taking too much time to die…they would break their legs (crurifragium) so they would fall down…making it harder for them to breathe. Dehydration is also a part of the process. The belief is that the nail was driven…through the palm…but angled…where it would have gone through the wrist bone(s). This method…would indeed support several hundred pounds. This method would have also enduced a sensation known as “Causalgia.” A nail driven directly through the wrists would have caused too much blood loss. The nail through the hands…the goal was to cause pain…aka Causalgia. The weight of the body would also cause joint dislocation…it was a common occurrence. During crucifixion the weight of the body pushes down on the nails…the ankles support the weight. The decreased oxygen also damages the heart itself (it’s called myocardial infarction) which leads to cardiac arrest. In severe cases of cardiac stress, the heart is known to burst, this process called “cardiac rupture.” The goal of crucifixion was to draw out the process of death…to be as tortuous as possible. Crucifixion was invented by the Persians between 300 - 400 BC…it was probably inspired by Assyrian impalement. In ~ 519 BC, Darius I (King of Persia) crucified ~3,000 political opponents in Babylon. Crucifixion spread and was used by Greeks (Alexander the Great), Seleucids (Antiochus IV Epiphanes), Carthaginians, Jews, and Romans…until St. Constantine the Great (Christian Emperor) abolished it within the Roman Empire in 337 AD. It was abolished out of respect and veneration for Jesus.

That’s one of the best explanations of this i’ve read. Thank you for enlightening us on this.

 

[DianJo]

Oh - wait - something else I want to ask about…

I think in reference to the Lanciano miracle, I believe they also did DNA testing and there was something about there only being female chromosomes - no evidence of male chromosomes for a father. Anyway, it only indicated that this person only had a mother - no evidence of a father - human father anyway!

Where did I read that - or something similar?? Someone fill in the blanks or correct me!

Thanks!

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

since there appears to be multiple threads where blood type came up, I posted a new thread to biologists.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

You realize one is AB positive, the other AB negative?

Go back to my eariler posts above on that.

Concerning Veronica’s Veil, was it AB+ or AB-, and did they do a complete DNA map on both?

 

[Anathama_Sit]

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