still reciting the old translatiion - obnoxiously loud at mass

  • Thread starter Thread starter Eric_Olsen
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Rainaldo said:
Not until she passes out. Remember, Vatican II wanted “full, conscious**,** and active participation”.
Click to expand...
As did Pope Pius X. But then he didn’t have to deal with translations, good or bad, old or new. 🙂
 
Jegudiel said:
:rotfl:

The people who change or add to the Mass at my parish do so LOUDLY. It’s all about bringing attention to themselves after all. If we had a crying room, I might find relief there but we do not so we all suffer.
Click to expand...
My parish church seats 1000. I can sit in a different section and not hear them. 😉

However, unless someone specifically states that they speak loudly to bring attention to themselves, we don’t know that. Someone who is hard of hearing often speaks loudly because they can’t hear themselves well to modulate their voice.
 
Mrs_Sally said:
My parish church seats 1000. I can sit in a different section and not hear them. 😉

However, unless someone specifically states that they speak loudly to bring attention to themselves, we don’t know that. Someone who is hard of hearing often speaks loudly because they can’t hear themselves well to modulate their voice.
Click to expand...
My parish seats 1070. Are at least that’s what the fire signs say. I have never sat anywhere were people weren’t doing their darndest to bring attention to themselves with their comments.

I was actually a little stunned during the Easter Triduum. I attended liturgies with more than 3,000 people in attendance at each one at the catehdral. The liturgies was totally devoid of such shenanigans. It was truly wonderful.
 
jbarbaretta said:
If I remember correctly, the pew cards I’ve seen in the Archdiocese of Philly, when I go to visit my mom, are pretty small and difficult to read. I haven’t been to that church since the new translation hit, so I don’t know if they are the same cards, but I had trouble reading them and there was no way my mom could. If they are an older couple, they may not be able to read them. I actually had copies mode of the one’s put out by my diocese (it was marked as copyrighted, but freely distributable) and gave them to my mom for her use and her friends.

I think the charitable thing to do, is to assume they don’t know the new translation, but are fervent in their participation - and that’s the best they can do. Then, next time you go, look out for them and sit at least 6 pews away. And if you can STILL hear them - offer the mass and communion for them.
Click to expand...
SERIOUSLY??? When he gives a “dare you to say anything” look? It’s pretty obvious that he’s being rebellious. I’d tell the priest, let him know who it is and then the priest can talk to him. I still miss a couple things myself but to say it loud and be disrupting the liturgy is not about “I can’t see the pew card” It’s been 6 months.
 
thats what they have at Epiphany. The pew cards font is huge. Hard to miss it.
I only go to the 5:30 mass on Sunday at St. Francis if I miss the morning or sat. evening mass.
Ladygem said:
oh dear, the good thing is that there are a lot of parishes in the area, so if this is a constant problem, you can look elsewhere. I’m a member of St. Helena’s in Blue Bell myself, and I’ve never had this problem at any of the masses I’ve attended. (usually 11, but sometimes Saturday at 5). The pew cards at St. Helena’s are in something like size 20 font, which could help with the reading factor. Your location says Plymouth Meeting, have you tried Epiphany? It might be closer, and the parishioners there are usually pretty good.
Click to expand...
 
Irishgal49 said:
SERIOUSLY??? When he gives a “dare you to say anything” look? It’s pretty obvious that he’s being rebellious.
Click to expand...
Of course, no one has ever misinterpreted a “look.”

Unless this person tells someone he is doing it to be rebellious, we don’t know that. No one has yet confirmed that he’s not hard of hearing and being loud for that reason.
 
agnes_therese said:
Unless this person tells someone he is doing it to be rebellious, we don’t know that. No one has yet confirmed that he’s not hard of hearing and being loud for that reason.
Click to expand...
All too often the hypocrisy of special pleading falsely poses as charitableness. If they were hard of hearing then their timing would be off. But it isn’t. Therefore it’s rebellion. And I think most of us have been around long enough to know it when we see it.
 
superamazingman said:
I’m thinking that was a joke
Click to expand...
Probably you are correct; however, here on CAF I know that some people would think of doing that seriously. I think that emoticons really help when there is some sarcasm that might be misinterpreted.
 
Eric, if I were you I would have a friendly talk with the priest. I would mention that you have been hearing people saying the old responses loudly, and maybe it would be helpful for the people if the priest ‘reminded them’ before Mass to use their pew cards and to say the correct responses so that they could have an appropriate ‘full participation’ in the liturgy. (and to ‘remind’ them at each Mass for the next couple of months or so.)

If you keep hearing the people even after Father has reminded the congregation over and over, then you can either find out who they are and let Father tell them face to face and then if they keep on, they’re openly defying their priest and Father can take whatever steps he feels necessary. . .or if you can’t find out, you can still tell Father so that when he reminds the congregation, he can ALSO ask them to ‘say special prayers for those in our midst who despite being asked to join with all of us persist in trying to hold the liturgy hostage by using the ‘old’ prayers.’
 
garn9173 said:
As we are about to enter the 6th month of using the new translation, IMO, there is NO EXCUSE for anyone to be using the old version. I don’t care how old one person is, 6 months is more than enough time to adapt to the new translation.
Click to expand...
I go to daily mass, I love the new translation, and I still find myself saying the old words at times. And I have yet to memorize the new words to the Gloria and the creed.
 
Rainaldo said:
All too often the hypocrisy of special pleading falsely poses as charitableness. If they were hard of hearing then their timing would be off. But it isn’t. Therefore it’s rebellion. And I think most of us have been around long enough to know it when we see it.
Click to expand...
I apologize. I didn’t realize that you have direct, personal knowledge of this couple. And I **seriously ** resent your charge of “hypocrisy.”
 
tafan said:
I go to daily mass, I love the new translation, and I still find myself saying the old words at times. And I have yet to memorize the new words to the Gloria and the creed.
Click to expand...
Me too. But by the OP’s standards when I recite my mistakes at an level that most people can hear, I’m rebelling.

I was once told by an English professor that when speaking anything in public, say it loud and say it proud, even when its a mistake.

We don’t know the OP, we don’t know the couple in question. I suspect there is some truth to the situation, but more than likely it seems a rush to judgement and maybe a little more patience is in order for ALL involved.
 
Rainaldo said:
All too often the hypocrisy of special pleading falsely poses as charitableness. If they were hard of hearing then their timing would be off. But it isn’t. Therefore it’s rebellion. And I think most of us have been around long enough to know it when we see it.
Click to expand...
Not necessarily so. My SIL has a hearing aid. Her timing isn’t “off” when it comes to conversations or prompts. But she speaks at a much louder volume in everyday conversations than the rest of us. If its a particularly “bad” day with her health, sometimes she compensates for her hearing loss in ways that probably other people would be quick to say she’s being obnoxious or stubborn.

Hearing loss happens to people of all ages, not just the elderly. It could be an actual possibility this couple does have some hearing loss even though they appear to be only in their 50s. My SIL started to loss her hearing in her twenties.
 
Sometimes I just sit back slackjawed at CAF posters. Honestly if some of you saw a guy running from a bank with a bag of money I’ll bet you would think the bank was on fire and the nice guy who just got back from the ski hill with his mask was saving as much money as he could from the burning bank.🤷
I think the poster gave a pretty accurate description and I think I understand what happened.
However I do think the op is getting all upset over a little thing. As for the OP switching Masses or seats or parishes. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
There is no way these people can keep it up for years and years. I wonder what they think the point of fighting this is. It isn’t going back to the old translation and it will get pretty old after a while. They will either give in and conform or move on somewhere else.
My first instinct would be to POLITELY talk to them after Mass and ask nice innocent questions. If they get defensive and start going off on a tirade then I would provide them with some logical education on the changes and ask them if they see themselves doing this for the rest of their lives. More likely they would enter into a dialogue with you and some Christian charity and education could happen, maybe even a friend would be made!
MOST LIKELY: my wife would glare at me more than the offender would and give me the “if you say anything I’ll kick your shin so hard you will limp for a week” Look that I get often.
 
Rainaldo said:
All too often the hypocrisy of special pleading falsely poses as charitableness. If they were hard of hearing then their timing would be off. But it isn’t. Therefore it’s rebellion. And I think most of us have been around long enough to know it when we see it.
Click to expand...
Agree.
Side rant.

Sometimes I think people like to give the most improbable explination masked in “Charity” to try to seem holy. I am not accusing anyone here of that but I have known a few people personally who do that.

I used to have a similair observation with those who constantly talk about how big a sinner or how unworthy they are. “There is no bigger sinner here than me” is a common phrase, especially in protestant land. Really?! No bigger sinner? Possible murderers? just plain old bad dudes? You? the guy preaching the Gospel are the biggest sinner?
It seems a fake and insincere humbleness. I have always imagined the apostles after hearing “the first should be last and the last shall be first” fighting to be last, just so they can be first;) That image has always made me chuckle. And it seems like an apostle thing to do (before Pentecost)
 
Moore11 said:
Agree.
Side rant.
Click to expand...
[Following the side rant] It reminds me of the mentality of children. “Yeah but what if the man in the windowless van really did lose his puppy?” It’s not charity, it’s naivety, which is a sin.

Next time someone unctuously protests he is a bigger-sinner-than-thou I’m going to say that’s nothing - I know of a guy who committed a sin so big that it forfeited original justice for himself and his descendants and introduced death into the world.

Top that.
 
Well, I say they might not realize.

They could be like me, former C&E Catholics who decided to start going to church again. They might realize something is wrong, but keep saying the same thing as they think it’s correct.
I realized something was different… didn’t know what… Googled… Found CAF… asked questions… received awesome answers… bought a new Missal… and now I’m good 🙂

You never know… 😉
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top