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Ok, God can do something that is beyond our definition of change. He does things beyond our own definition of knowledge. He does thing beyond our definition of physics. He can go beyond any definition we come up with. How can anyone say otherwise and limit God this way?
 
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Knightswhosayni said:
I have a problem with humans acting as if they’ve got it all figured out and logically know something they probably don’t. Other logical possibilities are probable. Even if they seem impossible.
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Again, this is subjective and not objective and falls into the realm of a personal problem.
And a possibility that seems impossible is not probable. There is a difference between metaphysical possibility and metaphysical feasibility
 
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How can anyone say otherwise and limit God this way?
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If God does something beyond our definition of change then it is not change.

God is limited in His nature what He can do. Again, can God create a square circle? Can He create a married bachelor?

If God is logic, then He cannot go against logic, for that would be going against His nature.
 
Ok, you’re smarter than me. Thanks and peace be with you. I’m ok not knowing everything. God’s great, human are ridiculous.
 
God is great, and humans are worthwhile. God wouldn’t send His only Son to dies and bear the judgement of our eternal punishment if He didn’t deem us as worthwhile. He loves us more than we can even know.
 
Ok, how do we know God is a trinity? How do we know he has three concepts? Because the bible says so? That’s using Logic? C’mon, humans dancing around goal posts which never stop moving!! Ahhh!!
 
But, only worthwhile if you follow the rules! Take care and leave me be.
 
And I am not smarter. There are probably many things you know beyond what I know. Example would be being a good parent. I am not a father (pray to one day be one) and so you are much more knowledgeable than me in that.
 
I wouldn’t count on that being true. Parenting failure here. Nice of you to think that. Be comforted in what you’re confident about. I’m not there yet.
 
God having limits makes no sense. But, fine. I’ll read what you suggested.
 
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how do we know God is a trinity? How do we know he has three concepts?
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Not three concepts but one Being in Three Persons. And yes revelation demands this and logic does as well. For if God is love, who does He share that love with for eternity? Therefore, there must be more than one Person in the Being of God for God to be love.
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But, only worthwhile if you follow the rules!
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worthwhile enough that Jesus died for the whole world. But it is up to us to accept that gift in faith and love.
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Be comforted in what you’re confident about. I’m not there yet.
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I will, as i said before, pray for you to continue to grow in love, faith, and hope.
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God having limits makes no sense.
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Limits isn’t really the best word. More of, God can’t go against His nature. Since God is all-good, can He create evil? Well no, so therefore, God is limited in what He can create in a sense. But again, that word isn’t the best description. Better to say, God cannot do that which is opposite to Himself.
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Take care and leave me be.
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I will leave you be now. Know you have many who are praying. Even those who didn’t comment. And take comfort that we pray and I, at least, post things because I/we do care.

Blessing to you, sister.
 
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I assume he is beyond logic and every word or definition we have. We have no definitive reason other than our own boundries to assume he his within any boundary. God made physical boundries we cannot cross, but I’m pretty sure it’s at least possible for him to change those and be beyond them if he decides to.
 
He created the possibility. Satan can’t be evil, if evil doesn’t exist. God is the only being able to create. Or is Satan on level with God? How did evil come to be? Out of nowhere? Evil cant come from nothing. Yes, we cant have good without evil. It’s part of God’s plan or it cant occur. God may not choose evil, but he let us choose it. That’s partial responsibility. On earth, if wecl create a situation for bad things to occur, we are responsible in part. I get why God did this, but how can he wash his hands of his part??
 
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One cannot create a possibility. And evil is not necessarily a created thing, like a bike or a star or even spiritual things. It is merely the absence of good, privated good.
But to say that evil finds its origin in God forces one to say that God is not all-good but in God there is evil, or at least the potential for evil.
But in God there is no potency, He is completely actual. And evil is a potency, we as free, not perfect beings, have the potency for evil, so we can be actually evil. But in God there is no potentiality, so God cannot be potentially evil and He since He is actually all-good, there is no actual evil in God.
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If God allows a possibility, he is partially responsible.
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That is a big conclusion. It’s as if you want God to deny beings of their freewill. We cannot forget that God created us with freewill. But us choosing evil, that is, choosing those things that are against God’s law and way, then that is our responsibility. It is like if we have a king who makes laws for the good of his people, those people can break the law and that is called evil. But God cannot break His laws for they are apart of His essence, and He can’t go against His nature.
It does not follow that because God doesn’t stop us, force us to stop doing evil, that means He is responsible. That is logically false

Also, please stop editing and changing your argument. I am trying to respond to what you said, but in you changing it, it makes it difficult.
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How did evil come to be? Out of nowhere?
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Evil comes from God being good. Evil is merely the privation of goodness, nothing more.
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On earth, if wecl create a situation for bad things to occur, we are responsible in part.
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No that is not true. If we force someone to do evil, or do something that purposely leads someone or something to do evil, then yes, we are involved. But that is not why God created the universe. He created everything good. It is not His fault that evil things happen. That is our fault. God’s hands are clean, because we took the good things of good and twisted them. It is like if someone makes a cooking knife. Now, if someone buys that knife and then murders someone with it, it is not the knife maker’s fault. He made it for a good intention. The person who used it for evil is the wrongdoer.

It sounds as if you advocate for God to turn us into puppets or robots so that we can’t do evil.

But the amazing things about God is that He can make good come from evil. That is omnipotence, that is all-good. As St. Augustine says: "Since God is the highest good, he would not allow any evil to exist in his works unless his omnipotence and goodness were such as to bring good even out of evil.
 
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Ok, I put a knife near a kid. The kid cuts somebody and kills them. Even, if the kid didn’t realize what would happen. I knew the possibility that someone would get hurt. I didn’t hurt someone, but created the possibility it could happen. Am I not responsible for what happened in part? How is this not the same kind of thing?
 
I’m not mad at God about free will. But, I question how he is seemingly good and the creator of evil but not it’s actor. He created it by allowing the situation. I dont prefer the world be some other way than it is. God prefers we ignore evil. But he put us on the rail that leads to one destination or the other. We did not put ourselves onto the temptation track. We did not create ourselves. He put an apple in front of us. He presented the temptation. He didn’t ask us to eat it, but he put it there. I do get the part that good corrects for evil, but he made the duality. He made all things possible. He decides to allow it and correct it. He is responsible for everything possible even if he doesn’t force us or make us do it. He gave us the knife. Does that make him evil? No, but he’s still the owner of the knife.
 
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I’m going to e depressed for the next few days now. I wish I never got on this forum. Pray I stay offline this week. Many thanks. I hate all the contradictions of Religion. It gets me depressed every dang time.
 
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