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The above are the real facts and the books and peer reviewed references are plentiful and have been given on this thread. But of course not in Science magazine and other acadmic literature as data challenging evolution theories are verboten in the mainstream journals. In other words “Intelligence, Not allowed.”The question was “The Story of Noah who believes it to be real?”
67% said they believed it to be real, that it was history. That being so why not provide “reasons to believe” before the TE’s brainwash the believers into joining their club? I think what I and others who believe in scripture are doing here in this thread could be called Catholic Apologetics. catholicapologetics.info/
It was Darwin’s theory of descent from a common ancestor ~hydrogen to swamp gas, the first life forms to worms to fish to rodents to ape like creatures or whatever they “believe”] along with Lyell’s geological assumptions that inspired attacks on church doctrine. Their’s and modern science continued speculations have confounded the belief in Genesis 1-11 as written by Moses [with the inspired word of God] that has been around since the early formation of the church.
Thus (1) it is only logical to present scientific data and offer speculations from whatever source from the last 25 or so years that would defend Catholic [Christian] doctrine from the speculations of evolutionary atheists and their theistic evolutionary counterparts (2) it is unfortunate that the Catholic church hierarchy and academia were so caught up in accepting evolutionary theory that they chose to ignore the writings of Fr. Patrick O’Connell and other Catholic scholars in the 1960’s. So now there is NO debate within the Catholic church and academia regarding origins accept here on CA and other blogs.
Thus Catholics have to rely primarily on the good scientific research of non-Catholic believers in the story of the Ark and the flood. When we do this we open ourselves to be called fundamentalists.
However that is no longer the case. Again I repeat go order the book, “The Doctrines of Genesis 1-11” from Amazon or Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation if you want to know the truth. There is a chapter on DOCTRINE SIXTEEN - ALL THE RACES OF MEN ON EARTH TODAY DESCENDED FROM THE THREE SONS OF NOAH. The author, Fr. Victor P. Warkulwiz has picked up were the ignored Fr. O’Connell left off. www.kolbecenter.org
The fossil human footprints with dinosaurs and those in other strata SUPPOSEDLY 100’s of millions of years old along with DIRECT dating of the fossils themselves [C-14] support doctrine 16 noted above. These footprints are thought to be those WHO MISSED THE BOAT. I pray that St. Lawrence of Brindisi who wrote on Genesis 1-11 etc under Pius V will inspire everyone on this thread to reexamine the subject of origins in the light of this new book so that “you don’t miss the boat.”
:whacky:The above are the real facts and the books and peer reviewed references are plentiful and have been given on this thread. But of course not in Science magazine and other acadmic literature as data challenging evolution theories are verboten in the mainstream journals. In other words “Intelligence, Not allowed.”
Whoops the last line that should have read: “in any event it is a good idea to give the benefit of the doubt to Moses as he seems to have got it right; the evol ones got it wrong.”In addition to the above:
I would not want to face the creator if I actively promoted the theory of evolution but we all have free will to promote whatever we want. In any event it is a good idea to Moses that Moses got it right; the evol ones got it wrong.
Later alligators I’m going on vacation. You are sooooooooo boring with your nit picking that I’ll enjoy digging for more dinosaur man coexistence evidence all the more.
Are you being sarcastic? I can’t tell. If your being serious…how can my questions be considered nit picking…Noah’s ark is being claimed as historical fact.Later alligators I’m going on vacation. You are sooooooooo boring with your nit picking that I’ll enjoy digging for more dinosaur man coexistence evidence all the more.
Just a few more thoughts before I hit the rails. The ark logistical answers have been thoroughly thought out by a guy by the name of Woodmorappe in his book — I’ve given the book’s name etc on a previous post; he is classified as a fundamentalist and therefore ignored. I have not read it and don’t intend to do so. If you have the time be his guest.
everyone and read other books besides those written by Darwinists.I will try to answer as best I can and hopefully that helps.
Perhaps being in the water the fish survived as that could be the safest place to be. Perhaps they didn’t survive and God re-created them after the flood. As for life I don’t think it would include plant life as we know from the Bible that the Olive tree survived the flooding.
I had heard that at the Tower of Babel was when all the different languages started and that the Earth was separated into the current land masses. Since the Tower of Babel was AFTER Noah’s Ark it would mean that Polar Bears could travel across to where the Ark was.
I would think that certain insects would come on their own volition. Also I doubt that there was 500,000 types of insects that many years ago. Look at dogs. There are hundreds of different breeds now and more being created each day.
Excellent question. Who is to say that Noah’s sons were all white people? Perhaps his Son’s wives were Asians, Africans, Aboriginals?
On a human level, it would seem quite impossible for the animals to survive. But with God anything is possible.
When one is climbing the ladder of success they should be certain the ladder is leaning on the right wall.
When animals hibernate do they poop?**By telepathy, perhaps ?
**The problem with denying uniformity - as the later Henry Morris does in “The Genesis Flood” (it’s the backbone of his book’s argument) - is that there is no reason left why that should not be the correct answer. If the world worked in a completely different way before the Flood from the way in which it works now, then anything may have happened; that it does not now do so, ceases to be an objection. **
Maybe Noah had a TARDIS; maybe the Ark was a TARDIS
More seriously:
**Noah may have been no more decrepit at 600 than a man dying at 70 would be when 40 or 50 - bearing in mind that Noah dies at 950. He would have lived less than 2/3 of his life-span when the Flood came. **
**This, if true, would create problems - for 10 generations of patriarchs from Adam to Noah having lots & lots & lots of offspring over the centuries would have increased the population a very great deal. **
One would have
**How would the animal waste be cleared away ? That is a lot of animals to tend - especially if there are just eight people to do the tending. If one includes all those that had not become extinct, such as the dodo, the number increases. Elephants produce gigantic turds - are we to believe they had not smell
- 1656 years from creation of man to the Flood
- minus the first 130 of Adam’s years = 1526
- minus the last 500 of Noah’s life before the Flood
- **which comes to 1026 years **
- for 10 patriarchs to increase & multiply
**All those “sons and daughters”, many (all ?) of whom would also have been having children of their own, would bring forth a lot of people.If so - on what evidence ? **
**Turds, great or small, produce gases - how would it be possible to live in so confined an environment, without the animals falling sick ? And what about the microbes & so on that carry infections from turds to animals or people: are they among the animals counted onto the Ark ? How would food be stored for so many & such various animals; & stored in conditions that would keep it fresh, untainted, & in sufficient quantity to last the full duration of that experience ? **
What about the gestation periods of the different mammals ? The implication is that not a single animal was pregnant or born - is this plausible ? If any were pregnant or born, they would need tending too. In so confined & malodorous an environment, which there is no reason to suppose was as hygienic as a well-equipped modern hospital or operating theatre, how could this have been done ?
The sound of so many frightened animals, many of them in an environment completely different from that to which they were accustomed, must have been a nightmare in itself.
The narrative in Genesis does not cope with questions like these - it implies a static knowledge of animals & their care, as though all that signified was their being counted onto the Ark. The practicalities that must have followed their embarcation don’t get a look-in. Whatever the sense in which this narrative is true, it cannot be intended as a faithful record of real events. It must therefore be true in some other way.
Now I’m really confused? Are you being satirical?Just a few more thoughts before I hit the rails. The ark logistical answers have been thoroughly thought out by a guy by the name of Woodmorappe in his book — I’ve given the book’s name etc on a previous post; he is classified as a fundamentalist and therefore ignored. I have not read it and don’t intend to do so. If you have the time be his guest.
I’m more interested in dinosaur man coexistence and so I want to spend my time performing more field and lab research since God only gives us a life span of 70 to 80 years instead of the the 500 to 900 or more back before the flood and dropping off rapidly thereafter. Go read Genesis 1-11 as my Friend and associate, Fr. Victor W. has done for his book. Field and lab research is a heck of a lot more fun and rewarding then arguing over trees when some folks on here can’t see the forest. Thus I don’t intend to spend my time discussing the details when ET’s on this thread can’t seem to grasp what C-14 dating, dinosaur depictions world-wide, fossil human footprints in supposed ancient strata and population studies has done to their pet theory. This isn’t being too sarcastic or mean-spirited, it really IS just plain boring talking to a brick wall.
I’m now off on another dig and have to catch a train to see how the other 50 or 60 volunteers are doing. Maybe I’ll bring you back another footprint photo or two, not that that will convince anyone, Ha. Like the self described “theologian” on this blog who loves population control quotations when another person posted the Alvis Delk dinosaur human print, Duh I carved footprints like that in the thrid grade.
Since they are are fictitious, hibernation would be rather difficult. Even assuming they were not, there is no way of knowing how they were looked after. (Not you yourself alone, of course)We are not responsible to figure this out to our own satisfaction. That is where you err. God does not make us responsible to account for or even have knowledge of His acts.I’m not a biologist
People who don’t think a Flood happened as related in Gen. 6-8, don’t have to account for the details - the people who think that it did are the ones responsible for all the dung in the Ark, & for shifting it all; they put it there by believing what they do. They are responsible for the infestations of flies, & for the diseases that would result, & for the gases given off, & for the lack of hygiene among those on board. The rest of us don’t have to lift a finger - we are not responsible for the animals, or their maintenance, or for anything about them: you are
Buffalo…answer this one contradiction please.
I am not an expert on this (so others can help) - fish are not land air breathing animals. Fish can survive in water.
…to destroy everywhere all creatures in which there is the breath of life; everything on earth shall perish.