Story of Noah: Who believes it to be real?

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…to destroy everywhere all creatures in which there is the breath of life; everything on earth shall perish.

…clearly speaks of all creatures that have the breath of life…why the contradiction?

Also, EVERYTHING, on earth shall perish…there would be nothing at all left alive. How could fish survive if everything on earth dies?
The passage says nothing about fish and such.

And all living things that stirred on earth perished; birds, cattle, wild animals, all the creatures swarming over the earth, and all human beings. 22 Everything with the least breath of life in its nostrils, everything on dry land, died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out, people, animals, creeping things and birds; they were wiped off the earth and only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
 
The passage says nothing about fish and such.

And all living things that stirred on earth perished; birds, cattle, wild animals, all the creatures swarming over the earth, and all human beings. 22 Everything with the least breath of life in its nostrils, everything on dry land, died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out, people, animals, creeping things and birds; they were wiped off the earth and only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
Please explain the Biblical contradiction of Gods word:

Genesis 6:17

“I, on my part, am about to bring the flood (waters) on the earth, to destroy everywhere all creatures in which there is the breath of life; everything on earth shall perish.”

Plus

Genesis 7:23

“Only Noah and those with him in the ark were left.”
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How could fish and whales be alive, if ONLY Noah and those with him IN THE ARK WERE LEFT?**
 
Please explain the Biblical contradiction of Gods word:

Genesis 6:17

“I, on my part, am about to bring the flood (waters) on the earth, to destroy everywhere all creatures in which there is the breath of life; everything on earth shall perish.”

Plus

Genesis 7:23

“Only Noah and those with him in the ark were left.”
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How could fish and whales be alive, if ONLY Noah and those with him IN THE ARK WERE LEFT?**
Study the Hebrew.
 
Study the Hebrew.
Why? Does the Hebrew say that Noah said:

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“Only Noah and those with him in the ark were left and the fish and whales too.” 😃

I can’t take you seriously if you state the Bible the Catholic Church uses is inaccurate.
 
Why? Does the Hebrew say that Noah said:

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“Only Noah and those with him in the ark were left and the fish and whales too.” 😃

I can’t take you seriously if you state the Bible the Catholic Church uses is inaccurate.
From the RSV - 21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, birds, cattle, beasts, all swarming creatures that swarm upon the earth, and every man; 22 everything on the dry land in whose nostrils was the breath of life died. 23 He blotted out every living thing that was upon the face of the ground, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the air; they were blotted out from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those that were with him in the ark.
24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth a hundred and fifty days.
 
From the RSV - 21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, birds, cattle, beasts, all swarming creatures that swarm upon the earth, and every man; 22 everything on the dry land in whose nostrils was the breath of life died. 23 He blotted out every living thing that was upon the face of the ground, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the air; they were blotted out from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those that were with him in the ark.
24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth a hundred and fifty days.
Are you choosing to ignore a key word:

Only Noah was left, and those that were with him in the ark.

Meaning, everything else was dead…including the fish and whales. If not, you will have to explain the use of the word Only, then the specification that only Noah and those on the ark were left.
 
Are you choosing to ignore a key word:

Only Noah was left, and those that were with him in the ark.

Meaning, everything else was dead…including the fish and whales. If not, you will have to explain the use of the word Only, then the specification that only Noah and those on the ark were left.
Context, my friend. Context!
 
Context, my friend. Context!
You believe it’s the inerrant word of God? It says ONLY, what am I supposed to think only means, mostly???

The author didn’t mean only? Why use the word only, if you don’t mean only? That doesn’t even make sense.:confused:
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Only Noah was left, and those that were with him in the ark.**

It would have made more sense to have said:

Only Noah was left, and those that were with him in the ark and all of the life in the sea.

What else could this have possibly meant? If you know, please share it with me.
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on·ly
  1. without others or anything further; alone; solely; exclusively: This information is for your eyes only.**
 
You believe it’s the inerrant word of God? It says ONLY, what am I supposed to think only means, mostly???

The author didn’t mean only? Why use the word only, if you don’t mean only? That doesn’t even make sense.:confused:
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Only Noah was left, and those that were with him in the ark.**

It would have made more sense to have said:

Only Noah was left, and those that were with him in the ark and all of the life in the sea.

What else could this have possibly meant? If you know, please share it with me.
It very clearly says that it’s talking about creatures that lived on the earth. That is, on the land. It doesn’t include fish.
 
You believe it’s the inerrant word of God? It says ONLY, what am I supposed to think only means, mostly???

The author didn’t mean only? Why use the word only, if you don’t mean only? That doesn’t even make sense.:confused:
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Only Noah was left, and those that were with him in the ark.**

It would have made more sense to have said:

Only Noah was left, and those that were with him in the ark and all of the life in the sea.

What else could this have possibly meant? If you know, please share it with me.
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on·ly
  1. without others or anything further; alone; solely; exclusively: This information is for your eyes only.**
Here is how Catholics are to read Scripture:

109 In Sacred Scripture, God speaks to man in a human way. To interpret Scripture correctly, the reader must be attentive to what the human authors truly wanted to affirm, and to what God wanted to reveal to us by their words.75
110 In order to discover the sacred authors’ intention, the reader must take into account the conditions of their time and culture, the literary genres in use at that time, and the modes of feeling, speaking and narrating then current. "For the fact is that truth is differently presented and expressed in the various types of historical writing, in prophetical and poetical texts, and in other forms of literary expression."76
111 But since Sacred Scripture is inspired, there is another and no less important principle of correct interpretation, without which Scripture would remain a dead letter. "Sacred Scripture must be read and interpreted in the light of the same Spirit by whom it was written."77
The Second Vatican Council indicates three criteria for interpreting Scripture in accordance with the Spirit who inspired it.78
[112](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/112.htm’)😉 1. Be especially attentive “to the content and unity of the whole Scripture”. Different as the books which compose it may be, Scripture is a unity by reason of the unity of God’s plan, of which Christ Jesus is the center and heart, open since his Passover.79

The phrase “heart of Christ” can refer to Sacred Scripture, which makes known his heart, closed before the Passion, as the Scripture was obscure. But the Scripture has been opened since the Passion; since those who from then on have understood it, consider and discern in what way the prophecies must be interpreted.80
[113](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/113.htm’)😉 2. Read the Scripture within “the living Tradition of the whole Church”. According to a saying of the Fathers, Sacred Scripture is written principally in the Church’s heart rather than in documents and records, for the Church carries in her Tradition the living memorial of God’s Word, and it is the Holy Spirit who gives her the spiritual interpretation of the Scripture (". . . according to the spiritual meaning which the Spirit grants to the Church"81).
[114](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/114.htm’)😉 3. Be attentive to the analogy of faith.82 By “analogy of faith” we mean the coherence of the truths of faith among themselves and within the whole plan of Revelation.
The senses of Scripture
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According to an ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two *senses *of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral and anagogical senses. The profound concordance of the four senses guarantees all its richness to the living reading of Scripture in the Church.

[116](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/116.htm’)😉 The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: "All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal."83
[117](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/117.htm’)😉 The spiritual sense. Thanks to the unity of God’s plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.
  1. The allegorical sense. We can acquire a more profound understanding of events by recognizing their significance in Christ; thus the crossing of the Red Sea is a sign or type of Christ’s victory and also of Christian Baptism.84
  2. The moral sense. The events reported in Scripture ought to lead us to act justly. As St. Paul says, they were written “for our instruction”.85
  3. The anagogical sense (Greek: anagoge, “leading”). We can view realities and events in terms of their eternal significance, leading us toward our true homeland: thus the Church on earth is a sign of the heavenly Jerusalem.86
 
Ok fine…why then would God destroy everything on the land…but allow the fish, shell fish, and whales to live?
 
onetimeposter… just let it go man, just let it go… Your right Noahs ark can never be taken as a real historical event, luckly 99+% of historians and scientists do not… That said science and history isn’t a democracy, and if Phillip does support his theory that dinosaurs lived along side humans he would revolutionise the field of evolutionary biology, after peer review of course…

But people who want to believe magical faeries with the power of invilibiilty lvl 15 live in there garden will beleive it and justify it in thier own minds no matter what you tell them…

But it is scary when people who beleive in faeries start dictating what is taught in science and history class rooms…
 
Ok fine…why then would God destroy everything on the land…but allow the fish, shell fish, and whales to live?
You know there is annswer your over looking onetime poster… Just let your logic and your reason go and give into it… the answer that solves all your problems…

MAGIC…

magic, magic and more magic, errrr… i mean miracle…
 
I hear what you are all saying…I guess I’m wasting my breath…I am a Christian, just that I believe the Bible has a lot of “stories” to help us understand a message and not an inerrant, literally interpreted book.🙂
 
To see why God did this one only has to read the rest of the story. It’s pretty clear.
Sure Ok, but wouldn’t have enough rain to have covered mount everest, turned all of the salt water in the oceans into fresh water and therefor killed off all of the salt water fish?
 
Sure Ok, but wouldn’t have enough rain to have covered mount everest, turned all of the salt water in the oceans into fresh water and therefor killed off all of the salt water fish?
I don’t know those answers. I admit that some of the details of the flood have difficulties.

Our modern mind looks back incredulously with what was reported. I do not deny the power of God. The flood story exists in countless cultures.

I believe something big happened.

There are others who can debate whether or not the mountains were covered, how tall the mountains were, if in fact the flood was global ot local, how many animals on the ark. I do see some plausibilty in the arguments on how this was accomplished by Noah with God’s help.

I also see the message in the flood story.

I also do not know the mechanisms of transubstantiation.
 
In addition to the above:

POPULATION GROWTH FORMULA REFUTES EVOLUTION THEORIES: Besides C-14 dating of dinosaur bones and other fossils (peer reviewed references provided in previous posts), dinosaur depictions world side , and fossil human and dinosaur footprints together from Africa, Russia TX (two locations), NM etc there is another line of evidence that totally decimates the theory of human evolution while supporting the historical narrative given to Moses regarding the global flood. It is the equation for predicting human population growth; it can be found on page 525 of the book “Biology” by Raven and Johnson with details on the Kolbe Center web site www.kolbecenter.org.
By studying the population growth in the past scientists have learned the following facts: (1) There is reliable data on world population for the past 400 years of 0.465% . (2) During the ‘plague years’, the growth rate was only 0.318 globally, but the other centuries were around 0.7% to 1.8% globally. (3) The AVERAGE annual growth rate (birth data – death rate would come out slightly less than ½ of one percent. or 0.456% for the past 400 years.
THE FLOOD YEARS a la Moses: The formula is: P = Po e rt(power) for all calculations. For “Po” put in 8 which is for Noah and his sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth and their wives. “r” is for the growth rate of 0.456% (0.00456 in the equation) and “t” is the time elapsed for the assumed ~4500 years since the flood of Noah; put in 2.718 for “e” the base of natural logarithms. Using a spread sheet for the calculations the population of today after 4500 years would be 6.5 billion people which is in agreement with the current world census. Of course the actual flood could have been 5000 years or more as we simply don’t know that scientifically but the point is that it is far closer to reality than the calculations for evolution of man using uniformitarian principles as shown below.

However if you take this very reliable 0.456 % growth rate (last 400 years) and plug it into the population formula with an evolutionary assumption of 500,000 years for one man and one woman’s emergence from their alleged apish ancestors you would get a population of 2.155 X 10 with 990 zeros after it. It has been suggested that that figure is more than the total number of electrons in the universe. Where does that leave the theory of human evolution?

Ok, the above is so ridiculous let’s look at scenario # 2: Enter initial population of 2, growth rate of ONLY 0.1% (0.001 in formula), enter time of ONLY 100,000 years instead of 500,000 years and you get a world population of 5.38 X 10 followed by 43 zeros [AGAIN ridiculous]. I guess you’d call that “giga years” as there is no designation for 43 zeros to my knowledge.

Ok, let’s try Scenario #3: enter 2 for initial population of evolving man and woman and being generous as possible plug in a growth rate of 0.1% (0.001 in formula) again and only 25,000 years for the elapsed time for evolution of one man and one woman and you get a world population equal to 1.44 X 10 with 11 zeros or 22 times our present population of 6.5 billion people on earth.

Now how about those Laetoli human footprints in volcanic tuft discovered by Mary Leakey’s team about 1979? Based on that wonderful tool called radiometric dating (K/Ar, Ar/Ar etc), those human footprints were calculated to be 3 million years old. Now plug those three million years into the population equation and see what you get. I don’t think I would want to waste all that paper to print out all those zeros.

So again what’s the point? Mainstream evolutionary science is ignoring reality; they are in a state of denial as their theories (ET or TE) are not even reasonable hypotheses based on direct C-14 dating of dinosaur bones, dinosaur depictions world-wide, fossil human footprints with and without dinosaur prints together, sedimentology research, and the population equation assuming a growth rate of the past 400 years. See book reviews etc on www.kolbecenter.org and other links. The Kolbe Center was named after St. Maximilian Kolbe, who offered himself in place of a Jewish father during the Holocaust. The holocaust was a process of eliminating the unwanted which was supported by Adolf Hitler, a practicing evolutionist, initially Catholic.

Assumptions aside thanks to promotional practices of both ET’s and TE’s, some of whom hound CA threads the new global rates are lower than the replacement rate of 2.1 births….many countries are now – or will be – in deep trouble with a growing senior population, with no workers to replace them. The US has escaped this by selective and unenforced immigration laws. The drop in birth rate is contrary to the command given to Adam and Noah – to go forth and fill the earth. There are several causes – contraception and abortion , and women with careers in business, not in the home. I would not want to face the creator if I actively promoted the theory of evolution but we all have free will to promote whatever we want. In any event it is a good idea to Moses that Moses got it right; the evol ones got it wrong. :cool:
Utterly complete, total raw, cold logic. Philip, you very much are an asset to these boards, this is the very reason I’ve subscribed to this thread, what you have put on the table should have ended all debate, yet it still continues… Do these guys actually read the previous posts, or do they just jump in and start voicing opinions?

Thank you very much for your (name removed by moderator)ut on it. 👍 👍 👍
 
However if you take this very reliable 0.456 % growth rate (last 400 years) and plug it into the population formula with an evolutionary assumption of 500,000 years for one man and one woman’s emergence from their alleged apish ancestors you would get a population of 2.155 X 10 with 990 zeros after it. It has been suggested that that figure is more than the total number of electrons in the universe. Where does that leave the theory of human evolution?
Who makes up these arguments? They’re obviously the work of someone with no scientific background trying to debunk science. That kind of thing makes Christians look like idiots.

The growth rate you are using only makes sense with modern conditions within a civilization. The population of human beings 500,000 years ago would have been subject to the same rules of nature as govern animal population today. Animal populations go up and down based on changes in the environment. They do not increase every year with a fixed growth rate ad infinitum.
 
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