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Jesus_N_Cherie
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It is denying that the Word of God is TRUTH. That is the whole problem with it. Do you not pay attention to anything I say? God gave the geneology from Adam to Noah, and then from Noah to Christ. The Catholic Church has kept the geneology of the popes from Christ to now. Why would God do that except to prove to the faithful the idiocy of those who don’t believe the Word of God to be accurate? To say that the geneology God gave us is wrong, is calling God a liar! And that is impossible!Except that this is not so. Does a lie about a poster make a poster non-existent ?
No, it makes the person who lied about it a liar? Make sense, would ya.
If the Bible were nothing but a pack of lies, that would not have the slightest effect on Christ, Who is well able to act regardless of whether there is a Bible (or any other of the appointed means of salvation ) or not.
Wrong. If the Bible is a pack of lies, it is discrediting Christ, Whose Word it is!!!
Yes, Christ did act before there was a Bible, just like He is acting with us still today. But the Bible is His Word, His history, and His teachings…given to His chosen people, and then to the whole world. If it is a lie, then no one would have any reason to believe or trust Him, any more than we trust anyone who is a liar. Still waiting for you to use the sense God gave you.
Besides, no one is saying the Bible is a lie.
Every time you chose something in the Bible and say it is not accurate, you are saying it is a lie.You don’t have to use the word lie to make the definite implication. If it is fiction, it is not true. If it is not true, it is a lie. That is what fiction is, only it doesn’t claim to be true. The Bible, which is the Word of God, is True.
All of it ? Even the Book of Revelation ? That contains no history.
The Book of Revelation is a series of visions given to St. John the Evangelist. They don’t claim to be historical facts for one. And visions, even in the Old Testament were given to, or brought to the prophets to be interpreted. Every time. Where do you see that the story of Noah and the Flood was given to someone as a vision, and then brought to a prophet of God to be interpreted. If it had been a vision, God would have let us know…as it would have said so…and it would have been brought to a prophet. It wasn’t. It is presented as an historically accurate action of God.
If you wish to believe that the devil is a many-headed red dragon who fell out of Heaven, be my guest.
When satan was created as the highest of the arch angels, his name was lucifer. he chose to turn against God, and fell from Heaven.
That is the “literal” meaning of the text. To take it literally makes a nonsense of it, because the the literal sense of words is not the same thing as what they are used to say in a particular context. “Jack killed the giant” may be true within a fairy-tale - it is true within “Jack and the Beanstalk”. It is not true as an assertion of historical fact.
Now you are comparing the Word of God with a child’s fairy tail. It is a well known fact that the Bible is the Word of God, not a fairy tail or a work of fiction. Jack and the Beanstalk is indeed a fairy tail and a work of fiction. The simple fact that you are comparing the two makes all that I have said about how dangerous it is to deny anything in the Bible absolutely true.
If the devil did fall out of heaven, one wonders what his velocity was, whether he was affected by entry into earth’s atmosphere, whether his crowns fell off, what if anything kept them on, whether he used his wings to cushion his landing. And how come only he & his angels fell ? Does heaven have railings to keep people falling out of it ? That kind of question comes of confusing the letter of the text with what it means.
No, that confusion comes from trying to pretend that we, as human beings created by God, but not being God, can fathom the mind and actions of God. Just because we don’t understand, nor can we comprehend, doesn’t mean that God could not, or would not do it! That is a sin of pride and arrogance. You seem to be falling right into the snare that satan is trying desperatly to set up for all of mankind, but most especially Christians who are supposed to belong to Christ.
To take the meaning of the letter of the Bible as the right one would mean that Jesus was sitting on the fingers of the right hand of His Father: that is not what “He sits on the right hand of the Father” means.
Do you have a problem with understanding that passage in the Bible? It states that Jesus is sitting at the right Hand of the Father.
If the meaning of the letter were alone correct, it would require us to believe that God is or has:
- eyes capable of independent motion
- nostrils
- a finger
- a net
- a sword
- a staff
- is composed of the chemical elements required for fire
- is subject to change
- is not subject to change
- causes evil
- laughs mockingly
- a tent
- a rock
- a lion
- can be reached by a ladder
You would have to give the versus that all of those statements come from. I have nothing to work from without them.
- all this is in the Bible, & if true in the literalistic sense would be heretical. as well as absurd. “Our God is a consuming fire” is not a statement that God is inflammable or can be doused; it’s a metaphor, & is not untrue when understood as one. If people cannot see the difference between a metaphor, a falsehood, & a statement of “plain fact”, it is not easy to reason with them about an ancient body of literature containing all these.
You state that the Bible is an ancient body of literature. Funny how you do not state that it is the Word of God. I am left to assume that you just believe it to be a nice storybook. IT IS THE WORD OF GOD !!! It is not just an ancient body of literature. That is what Shakespeare, Plato, Aristotle etc are. The Bible is not to be compared to those books as something similar. Those things are of human origin. The Bible is the WORD OF GOD!
If people can avoid supposing that the Vatican is in Missouri because the St.Louis Cardinals are not cardinals in the same sense as the churchmen of that name, they ought to be able to avoid the same sort of mistake when reading the Bible.
A cardinal is also a bird. What you said above makes no sense in relation to this conversation.
Or does the US President grow out of the ground ? That is what bushes do.
The president has nothing to do with this conversation either. He has not written the Bible, and his last name is not in the Bible, nor is it relevant to this conversation.
Neither does it follow that because a statement is in the Bible, it is therefore true in the literalistic sense, or at all:
The Bible is the WORD OF GOD, which makes every statement in it the TRUTH. Once more, for you to pick it apart and discredit it makes what you are trying to do is prove it is a lie…which you can never do. It is His Word, and He is God. He is perfect, and can neither decieve nor be decieved.
are lies true because they are reported in the Bible ?
There are no lies in the Bible. Every word is Truth, and all events are historical.
Then Jesus is a deceiver & a demoniac - that is what His enemies said of Him in the Bible.
The Bible tells the story. It does tell this story, and in the process of telling of an historical fact, proves that the enemies of Christ were totally wrong. Your argument gets weaker and weaker. Have you read the whole story?
You cannot compare it with Noah. There is nothing in the Bible that tell of it as anything except an historical even.
Geology is a reality, & it is part of the world God created.
Therefore it cannot be ignored, whether it makes difficulties for the understanding of the Bible or not.
Except where it contradicts with what the Word of God says. Man is not infallible. We make mistakes. We miss evidence all of the time. Simply because we have missed some evidence, or mis interpreted the evidence God has given us, doesn’t mean God didn’t do it exactly as the Word of God states.
How does adding a few zeros to the age of the earth make God any less its Creator ?
