Stubenville course, crime, homosexual deviant

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The University of Stubenville offers a course in Deviant Behavior and is now in the news because those that oppose the course are offended. I have provided three links, one from the liberal NPR to offer information.

catholibertarian.com/2012/09/08/gay-group-blasts-franciscan-university-for-deviant-behavior-label-franciscan-university-pushes-back/
Franciscan University offers a class called ‘Deviant Behavior’ which covers a wide range of topics including: alcoholism, heterosexual deviance, crime, and homosexuality.
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npr.org/2012/09/10/160763549/college-course-lumps-homosexuality-rape-murder
The Franciscan University of Steubenville in Ohio faces questions about its accreditation because of a course description that links homosexuality with crimes like murder, rape and robbery.
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The university’s social work program offers the course, called SWK 314 Deviant Behavior. The course description reads: “The behaviors that are primarily examined are murder, rape, robbery, prostitution, homosexuality, mental illness and drug use.”
Members of a Franciscan University gay and lesbian alumni group on Facebook discovered the course description and have asked the school to change it.
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blog.cardinalnewmansociety.org/2012/09/04/gay-group-blasts-franciscan-university-franciscan-university-pushes-back/
After criticizing The Franciscan University of Steubenville for its stance on homosexuality, a gay alumni group with no official connection to the faithful Catholic university is being urged to cease publicly affiliating themselves with the college.
Last week, a group calling itself Franciscan University Gay Alumni and Allies issued a news release that appeared on The Daily Kos among other places questioning why the course description of a class offered by the university seems to label homosexuality as “deviant behavior.”
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What do you think and believe about this course in Deviant behavior:shrug:
 
CopticChristian said:
The University of Stubenville offers a course in Deviant Behavior and is now in the news because those that oppose the course are offended. I have provided three links, one from the liberal NPR to offer information.

catholibertarian.com/2012/09/08/gay-group-blasts-franciscan-university-for-deviant-behavior-label-franciscan-university-pushes-back/

npr.org/2012/09/10/160763549/college-course-lumps-homosexuality-rape-murder

blog.cardinalnewmansociety.org/2012/09/04/gay-group-blasts-franciscan-university-franciscan-university-pushes-back/

What do you think and believe about this course in Deviant behavior:shrug:
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So much for academic freedom.
 
I’d expect to see this at Christendom or Ave Maria.

I’m surprised and disappointed to see such a course at Steubenville. I guess if that’s the direction they want to take their school and folks will pay- oh well.
 
ringil said:
I’d expect to see this at Christendom or Ave Maria.

I’m surprised and disappointed to see such a course at Steubenville. I guess if that’s the direction they want to take their school and folks will pay- oh well.
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Why disappointed?
 
The Church regards all sexual activity outside of marriage as deviating from the norm. This does not surprise me. Whether gay or straight, we can all rightly be called deviant if our sexual practices fall outside of Church teaching.

Freedom. That word has become become badly butchered over the last 40 years. For some people, it means I can say or do anything without considering how my words and actions will affect those around me. Yes, there are ways to discuss things, but without the emotion and with facts - not opinions.

I am sick and tired of hearing the phrase - “public opinion.” Opinions do not matter and have no value if they are not based on facts, and worse, if they are false, and continue to be repeated without credible, factual correction. The Truth is the most important thing. The phrase “public opinion” should be replaced by “public belief.”

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
The Church regards all sexual activity outside of marriage as deviating from the norm. This does not surprise me. Whether gay or straight, we can all rightly be called deviant if our sexual practices fall outside of Church teaching.
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The course description mentions heterosexual deviant activity as well.
 
Good for them for including it in the list of deviant behaviors. The people who are offended can shove off for all I care. Since when did people gain some magical right to never be offended.

The fact that they are fighting this offends me, therefore they should no longer be allowed to be fight it. It’s only fair. :rolleyes:
 
fix said:
The course description mentions heterosexual deviant activity as well.
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Is the concept of “deviant activity” academically respectable for a social work class? The very concept of “deviancy” is heavily laden with the values of the whoever is speaking. Obviously, it makes sense from a religious or moral point of view, but the concept seems excessively judgmental for social work.
 
Dale_M said:
Is the concept of “deviant activity” academically respectable for a social work class? The very concept of “deviancy” is heavily laden with the values of the whoever is speaking. Obviously, it makes sense from a religious or moral point of view, but the concept seems excessively judgmental for social work.
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Departing from usual or accepted standards, esp. in social or sexual behavior.
Deviant - Google
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Since, according to our society, deviance is decided by society (I disagree with this, but in the context of your question it works), then social workers must be prepared to deal with people who act in deviant manners. Therefore, I would argue that it not only respectable, but rather necessary.
 
Dale_M said:
Is the concept of “deviant activity” academically respectable for a social work class? The very concept of “deviancy” is heavily laden with the values of the whoever is speaking. Obviously, it makes sense from a religious or moral point of view, but the concept seems excessively judgmental for social work.
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The only info I have is what is provided in the course description.

I guess the basic question I have is why is the word deviant so politically incorrect? That seems to be the real problem here.

I would hope that a Catholic school would always start from a position of truth. The truth is there are deviant behaviors and that presupposes that normal behavior can be rightly defined.
 
Dale_M said:
Is the concept of “deviant activity” academically respectable for a social work class? The very concept of “deviancy” is heavily laden with the values of the whoever is speaking. Obviously, it makes sense from a religious or moral point of view, but the concept seems excessively judgmental for social work.
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Relativism at work, ladies n’ gentlemen.

Deviancy is deviancy. There’s no laden values dependent on the speaker. We, as a culture, are losing all of our objective truths. Soon there won’t be a “right” or “wrong” at all.
 
ringil said:
I’d expect to see this at Christendom or Ave Maria.

I’m surprised and disappointed to see such a course at Steubenville. I guess if that’s the direction they want to take their school and folks will pay- oh well.
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Ringil,

I am getting old and senile however I don’t recall your monikor as always being Catholic. Am I getting senile or did you change to Catholic? I am just wondering.
 
Lochias said:
Relativism at work, ladies n’ gentlemen.

Deviancy is deviancy. There’s no laden values dependent on the speaker. We, as a culture, are losing all of our objective truths. Soon there won’t be a “right” or “wrong” at all.
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I believe that is the point. It is about re-engineering truth so that people are forced to accept what is unacceptable.
 
Dale_M said:
Is the concept of “deviant activity” academically respectable for a social work class? The very concept of “deviancy” is heavily laden with the values of the whoever is speaking. Obviously, it makes sense from a religious or moral point of view, but the concept seems excessively judgmental for social work.
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It is a technically correct term. The American Psychiatric Association publishes a Diagnostic and Statistical Manual that classifies various behaviors. From a purely medical standpoint, homosexual sex ignores biology in the sense that men and women were designed with organs made for sexual intercourse. The term “deviant sexual arousal” is used in scholarly articles.

Peace,
Ed
 
CopticChristian said:
Ringil,

I am getting old and senile however I don’t recall your monikor as always being Catholic. Am I getting senile or did you change to Catholic? I am just wondering.
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Maybe you are getting senile as I am a cradle Catholic and I have always been identified as such here on CAF.
 
edwest2 said:
It is a technically correct term. The American Psychiatric Association publishes a Diagnostic and Statistical Manual that classifies various behaviors.
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Yes, but does it use the term “deviant?” Isn’t the DSM more value-free in its approach?
edwest2 said:
The term “deviant sexual arousal” is used in scholarly articles.
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Could you give an example? I ask because what I recall from my intro to sociology class 30 years ago is that the idea of “deviant behavior” was no longer acceptable in academics because it was a normative concept.
 
fix said:
I believe that is the point. It is about re-engineering truth so that people are forced to accept what is unacceptable.
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Quite right. This is an example of social engineering, and sadly, of propaganda at work. From a spiritual standpoint, it is an outward sign that some unknowingly believe falsehoods because they trust the person(s) telling them something is true and good, whereas the Church teaches the opposite. And there are those who cannot endure sound doctrine. Today, most of our problems center around the misuse of human sexuality - and that all wrong uses of sex are presented as good or OK.

We - each of us, including me, - have been told by the Church’s leadership, especially lately, that we need to lead good lives as Catholics first. I think the thing some people don’t realize is that we need to reduce or eliminate a lot of what others are doing. That usually means a lot less TV and a lot fewer movies. I mean, some young women pose on magazine covers in “clothing” that would have been - and still should be - considered soft porn.

We need to ask ourselves: What other things can I do that would be fun and enjoyable that would be pleasing to God. I grew up with people who had hobbies, or developed their talents as artists or musicians.

Peace,
Ed
 
ProdglArchitect said:
Since, according to our society, deviance is decided by society (I disagree with this, but in the context of your question it works), then social workers must be prepared to deal with people who act in deviant manners…
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I am not sure about that. Who is “society?” Who decides what is “normal?” I think in a pluralistic nation, such as the US, there is a great number of cultures and sub-cultures which are not in the majority. Is the behavior in those cultural groups deviant?

I agree that a social worker needs to be prepared to work with wide range of clients. But classifying those clients as “deviant” seems a fundamental error which will color both the interpersonal relationship and also the perceptions of the social worker.
 
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