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KathleenElsie
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The Bishop seems to have believed them. IMHO I will go with his decision untill told otherwise.
Student Who Exposed Catholic Teacher's Abortion Work Expelled
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miguel
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Joe Kelley:
That says it all.
That says it all.
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miguel
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I know this story hasn’t played itself out yet. And it will be interesting to get into the details about why the pro-life student was expelled. But we need to keep in mind that not all schools calling themselves Catholic are really Catholic. There has been an ongoing battle between Rome and the US Bishops to get control of Catholic higher education. To those familiar with it, this story does not come as any great shock. But hopefully it will be very illuminating about the current state of Catholic education in this country.
Another good website with some helpful links to this story so far…
catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?vm_id=24&art_id=30654
Another good website with some helpful links to this story so far…
catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?vm_id=24&art_id=30654
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PLAL
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The article is also posted at …
lifesite.net/ldn/2005/nov/05110208.html
I also went to the Loretto High School website to take a look at it. I don’t mean to be categorizing nuns but it seems like when something crazy like this happens, it’s always with nuns who do not wear habits. There was a huge discussion on this issue on another thread but I cannot find it now.
loretto.net/development/board.aspx
This topic is also being discussed on another thread…
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=80954
lifesite.net/ldn/2005/nov/05110208.html
I also went to the Loretto High School website to take a look at it. I don’t mean to be categorizing nuns but it seems like when something crazy like this happens, it’s always with nuns who do not wear habits. There was a huge discussion on this issue on another thread but I cannot find it now.
loretto.net/development/board.aspx
This topic is also being discussed on another thread…
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=80954
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PLAL
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Let me just add to this – I do not mean to be judgemental about a group of nuns but I remember a thread discussing nuns who wear habits vs. nuns which do not wear habits. The thread started because a group of nuns donated a large sum of money to an organization which promotes Pro-Abortion Women Politicians to run for office. I do not remember the name of the organization (was it Emily’s List or something like that?). Maybe someone can help me out. Then we went to the website for the nuns who donated the funds and none of the nuns on the website were wearing habits on their heads.
Then there was a group of nuns protesting the annual March For Life in Washington DC. Once again none of the nuns in the newspaper picture were wearing habits. Hmmm??
Then another person on the thread posted an article about a group of nuns who supported lesbianism. Low & behold we went to their website and none of them wore habits. And this thread just kept going and going. I wish I could find it.
It just seems whenever nuns are doing something anti-Catholic or anti-Catholic Catechism, they always seem to be nuns without habits.
Last, I think the nuns at Loretto HS expelled the student because the nuns are covering up something bigger than this happening at the school but these are just my thoughts.
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OutinChgoburbs
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There are two other Catholic high schools in Sacramento that should be fighting over who will enroll this young lady first: Christian Brothers (co-ed) and St. Francis (females). There is also a Christo Rey school (we have a couple of these in Chicago) which should be more than willing to help out here.
And as the bishop states he cannot interfere in the IBVM’s biz, I would suggest that the parents sue the order and the school- at least for the cost of the tuition of the new school for the rest of their daughter’s high school career.
And as the bishop states he cannot interfere in the IBVM’s biz, I would suggest that the parents sue the order and the school- at least for the cost of the tuition of the new school for the rest of their daughter’s high school career.
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VociMike
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This link also has contact info at the bottom:
lifesite.net/ldn/2005/nov/05110208.html
I looked up the Loretto sisters and they seem, from their own words, very much a “spirit of Vatican II” Fr. Berrigan style dissident organization. So it might just be the case that we have some pro-abortion (or at least, anti-Church teaching) sisters running this school. Google the Loretto sisters and decide for yourselves.
lifesite.net/ldn/2005/nov/05110208.html
I looked up the Loretto sisters and they seem, from their own words, very much a “spirit of Vatican II” Fr. Berrigan style dissident organization. So it might just be the case that we have some pro-abortion (or at least, anti-Church teaching) sisters running this school. Google the Loretto sisters and decide for yourselves.
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beckyann2597
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Hi, I started a thread on this too here…
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=80954
I know a person who is very involved at Loretto and believe me, it is not a liberal school. I spoke with this person via e-mail and she really didn’t know what exactly was done to Sister Helen, but it must have been very threatening for Sister Helen to expel her. From the e-mail I got…“One man even accused Sr. Helen of being a liberal, which is really funny because she’s a registered Republican and a pro-life person. Anyway, it’s all hearsay, because no one is talking about what was said or done to cause the dismissal of the student. I know Helen, though. She’s smart and fair, to a fault. But if you threaten her or threaten to disrupt this school, you are out of there, pronto! And around there, everyone is happy and cheerful again. The press is trying to make something political out of something that is not.”
Christian Brothers on the other hand is another Catholic school in the area and is uber liberal. They wouldn’t touch that student witha ten inch pole!
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=80954
I know a person who is very involved at Loretto and believe me, it is not a liberal school. I spoke with this person via e-mail and she really didn’t know what exactly was done to Sister Helen, but it must have been very threatening for Sister Helen to expel her. From the e-mail I got…“One man even accused Sr. Helen of being a liberal, which is really funny because she’s a registered Republican and a pro-life person. Anyway, it’s all hearsay, because no one is talking about what was said or done to cause the dismissal of the student. I know Helen, though. She’s smart and fair, to a fault. But if you threaten her or threaten to disrupt this school, you are out of there, pronto! And around there, everyone is happy and cheerful again. The press is trying to make something political out of something that is not.”
Christian Brothers on the other hand is another Catholic school in the area and is uber liberal. They wouldn’t touch that student witha ten inch pole!
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PLAL
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All I can say is this whole situation smells very fishy to me and has my blood flow really pumping mad! Loretto HS expells a Pro-life student for telling them her teacher is a DEATHSCORT at an ABORTUARY!!
All I can say this really makes the school at the very least look scandalist for expelling a student sticking up for Catholic Principles. As far as I am concerned, the burden of proof is on Sr. Helen Timothy and Loretto HS to come up with an excellent explanation for expelling the student.
If I do not hear more on this from Loretto HS in the next couple of days, I plan on emailing the Catholic League, American Life League, Priests For Life, Pro-Life Action League, Thomas More, ACLJ, Operation Rescue and the rest of them to turn up the pressure to fire Sr. Helen Timothy and re-organize the entire high school!
For all I care Sr. Helen Timothy can find a new job and go work for the Pro-Abortion American Girl Doll Company/Girls Inc!!
All I can say this really makes the school at the very least look scandalist for expelling a student sticking up for Catholic Principles. As far as I am concerned, the burden of proof is on Sr. Helen Timothy and Loretto HS to come up with an excellent explanation for expelling the student.
If I do not hear more on this from Loretto HS in the next couple of days, I plan on emailing the Catholic League, American Life League, Priests For Life, Pro-Life Action League, Thomas More, ACLJ, Operation Rescue and the rest of them to turn up the pressure to fire Sr. Helen Timothy and re-organize the entire high school!
For all I care Sr. Helen Timothy can find a new job and go work for the Pro-Abortion American Girl Doll Company/Girls Inc!!
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bapcathluth
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You don’t even know Sister Helen and her reasons for expelling the student. A previous poster, who personally knows Sister Helen has vouched for her, but you spread hear-say and make scandalous comments about a nun because she doesn’t wear a habit. To smear somebody you don’t even know certainly is against all Christian teaching I am aware of.
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harinkj
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- Kathie :bowdown:
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PLAL
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*Let me simplify this for you. The 5th commandment of Catholic teaching states “Thou shall not kill”. A Catholic student and her family find out the teacher is working at an ABORTUARY as a DEATHSCORT. Anotherwards, the teacher is actively taking part in murdering innocent babies. The Catholic student & her family notify the Catholic school President, Sr. Helen Timothy. The Catholic school then EXPELLS the Catholic school student for PRACTICING HER CATHLIC FAITH!!
I don’t care what excuse the school gives for EXPELLING the student. If the student did not do anything as SEVERE as pulling a Columbine and shooting at all her classmates & teachers, murder someone or stab another student then the STUDENT SHOULD STILL BE IN THE CATHOLIC SCHOOL. IF THIS STUDENT DOES NOT BELONG IN THE SCHOOL FOR HER HIGHLY COURAGOUS ACT; THEN NONE OF THE OTHER STUDENTS DESERVE TO BELONG IN THE SCHOOL.*
*If my kids went to Loretto HS, I would immediately pull them out of the school and send them somewhere else. *
*Sr. Helen Timothy MUST BE REMOVED FROM THE CATHOLIC SCHOOL and I would probably fire the entire staff in the school and start from scratch. This is the most outraguous story I have ever heard. *
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YinYangMom
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PLAL said:
You want her removed because you are presuming she expelled the student because the student outed that teacher.
Your presumption may or may not be correct.
Only Sister Helen and the student’s family know the real reason the student was expelled.
I’m hoping it does go to court so we can find out the truth behind all this.
But until then one can’t call for the dismissal of the principal based on unfounded grounds.
Why the rush to judgment here?? Calm down, sit back, and wait for the facts to be revealed before calling for action.
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PLAL
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I’ve noticed that nuns who wear habits are far more likely to be orthodox than those who don’t. That doesn’t mean all nuns who wear habits are orthodox, though, nor does it mean that all nuns who don’t wear habits aren’t.
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beckyann2597
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Thanks, that is exactly my opinion. I also don’t see the point of e-mailing the school when we don’t really even know what is going on. I am sitting and watching for a while on this one.
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PLAL
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beckyann,
As you can see from my previous posts we will have to agree to disagree on Sr. Helen Timothy. I believe she needs to be FIRED NOW! Enough damage has been done already.
YingYangMom,
I agree with you most of the time and we have had a few debates on other threads. One thing I noticed is you place your Politics above Catholic Teachings. Let me give you an example. It seems you are ProLife but then you always back Pro-Abortion politicians?? I can never understand this.
For instance, on another thread recently a discussion came up about U.S. Senator Barach Obama. Being from IL, I am very fimilar with him and I know he is 100% Pro-Abortion. I also noted in this particular thread Barach Obama not only believes its OK to murder babies in the mothers womb but also believes its OK to murder babies outside the mothers womb. How do I know this? While in IL Obama voted AGAINST an act which would make it illegal to murder a baby after it had been born. I believe the name of the act was the Illinois Infants Protection Act. It still passed anyhow.
Yet even aften I made that post you stated you “HIGHLY RESPECT” Barach Obama. Many of us on the thread asked you how could you respect a person who not only believes its OK to murder babies inside the womb but also believes its OK to murder born babies outside the womb. You never answered our questions and I wish you would clarify your position??
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harinkj
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Without additional information, i do not think she should be fired. she may be doing the right thing.
- Kathie :bowdown:
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Bella3502
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I highly respect Mr. Obama…
In typical “ProLife” style, you have taken his comments out of context. Just because you NOTE something doesn’t make it true.
The “rush to judgement” mentality of some Catholics, is one of the reasons why the Catholic Faith is not taken seriously.
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YinYangMom
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I considered emailing you to respond to the earlier thread but I learned from the last election that some of you are so hell-bent on viewing things only the way the administration’s spin-machines dish it out there is no point.
It has been my experience here on the boards that people who post like you did just now tend to do so to bait people who post like me into these long-winded spewing contests - who can cite the most references from one side of the fence or the other - without truly intending to come to a meeting of the minds. It’s all about he said/she said and that is not the best use of my time here on a Catholic board, so I tend not to take the bait.
I don’t wish to change your political opinions.
I don’t wish to get sucked into this Republican parties’ lies either.
I prefer to be independent and in line with Catholic teaching.
Should you wish to discuss your own personal political views with me, feel free to email me here or start a thread in the appropriate forum since this thread and the other one are not about politics, but if you only wish to regurgitate the Republican spin in order to find out more about my position don’t bother.
If the intent of the thread is to truly try to understand where someone like me comes from with regard to how we incorporate Catholic teaching into our political views then I would most likely participate. But if the intent of the thread is to take the holier-than-thou position to show us how wrong ‘we’ are, then I’ll most likely pass on the opportunity to share my views.
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Jayson
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"The last question for Obama came from an abortion foe. Obama said he supported a woman’s right to choose, and the audience erupted in applause. Obama raised his hands and asked for quiet.
“One area where I think we can have an agreement, is that even those who are pro-choice believe that abortion is not the best option,” Obama said. “It’s important to prevent unwanted pregnancies. I don’t know any women who would get an abortion for frivolous reasons.”
obama.senate.gov/news/050201-obama_inspires_can_he_succeed/
“One area where I think we can have an agreement, is that even those who are pro-choice believe that abortion is not the best option,” Obama said. “It’s important to prevent unwanted pregnancies. I don’t know any women who would get an abortion for frivolous reasons.”
obama.senate.gov/news/050201-obama_inspires_can_he_succeed/
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