Student Who Exposed Catholic Teacher's Abortion Work Expelled

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cathologos:
I disagree that it is appropriate to draw a negative conclusion, and to publicly condemn somebody, based on a string of suppositions and “reasonable conclusions.” More facts and fewer suppositions are needed, in my opinion – because public condemnations of people are serious matters in themselves.
In general, I agree with these sentiments. I have not condemned anyone. I have questioned the administration’s judgement. My tone has been harsh in some of my posts. If it reveals anything about me, I hope it reveals my contempt for baby killing. But I think I have taken a position after careful consideration of the facts, and keeping in mind the gravity of the teacher’s volunteer work at an abortion clinic.
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cathologos:
As for my broader comments about the tendency of folks here to engage in such weakly-supported condemnations (which, by the way, was not really directed at you, miguel, but rather something that had been building up as I spend time reading on these forums), well, I stand by that. Even when we feel strongly about something, we all need to try to remember to be charitable, and not to project our views onto events when our real knowledge is very limited. That’s not easy – giving somebody who is most likely a philosophical and moral adversary the benefit of the doubt – but I think it’s something we’re called to do, nonetheless, in charity.
Thank you for the clarification.
 
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Vincent1560:
Interesting item I picked up in the comments section in Katelyn’s blog. standupandspeakout.blogspot.com/2005/10/expulsion-from-loretto.html

“Did they say why you were expelled”

Yes. They will be published as soon as the lawyers give the OK, but it has nothing to do with misbehavior or low academic performance on Katelyn’s part.
Conservative Schooler | Homepage | 10.31.05 - 10:26 pm | #

If this person indeed has the inside knowledge he/she implies, then the school does not appear to have a reasonable reason for expulsion. Truly sad.
It appears that “Conservative Schooler” is a 10th grade boy who goes to a public school across town who got his information about the case from Katelyn. At least that’s how it seems on the blog he made about this:

cahsconservative.blogspot.com/2005/11/loretto-expulsion-update_03.html

I’m not saying the school was necessarily in the right, just that I doubt he is a particularly useful source. He doesn’t know anything but what the Sills have told him, whether rightly or wrongly. Besides, did the school ever allege “misbehavior or poor academic performance on Katelyn’s part”, except possibly in running her blog? The blog forums did have some comments that would have been deleted from this forum (IMHO she should have moderated it), but I thought the school was alleging that her mother had engaged in threats/harassment, not the girl.

But then, I don’t really know the case. And I won’t presume to.
 
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slackernerd:
I thought the school was alleging that her mother had engaged in threats/harassment, not the girl.

But then, I don’t really know the case. And I won’t presume to.
Yes. That is the impression I got as well. Katelyn’s expulsion was the only way they could keep her mother away from the school. Also, a Loretto student posted that Katelyn’s mom had harrassed her. IF this is true, that could be why we have not seen a lawsuit from the family yet. My guess is the school has a lot more on the family than the family is revealing. And, the family knows this–which is why they are turning this into a public relations nightmare instead of just suing them. And, turning it into a public relations nightmare is IMHO grounds for removing the family from the school community.
 
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smartblkchick:
Yes. That is the impression I got as well. Katelyn’s expulsion was the only way they could keep her mother away from the school. Also, a Loretto student posted that Katelyn’s mom had harrassed her. IF this is true, that could be why we have not seen a lawsuit from the family yet. My guess is the school has a lot more on the family than the family is revealing. And, the family knows this–which is why they are turning this into a public relations nightmare instead of just suing them. And, turning it into a public relations nightmare is IMHO grounds for removing the family from the school community.
Yeah. You gotta watch out for these dangerous pro-lifers. Maybe they don’t have the resources to file a lawsuit. Maybe they don’t want to extract money out of a Catholic school. Some people have moral qualms about that sort of thing. Maybe they’re waiting for the Bishop to use his influence on their behalf. My guess: if the family knew the school really had the goods on them, they wouldn’t be out categorically denying the school’s assertions…not too good for the family’s credibility if the school then turns around and produces the goods…although they’re credibility is high in my book for taking the stand they did…and the credibility of the school…not so high.
 
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smartblkchick:
And, turning it into a public relations nightmare is IMHO grounds for removing the family from the school community.
The family didn’t create the PR nightmare. The school did that to themselves by failing to act decisively when they discovered the “deathscort” on their staff. Had they done so, they wouldn’t look bad in front of the Bishop and fellow Catholics. In all probability, the “deathscort” would have raised a public stink for being fired. But so what. At least they would have been able to hold their heads high with fellow Catholics.
 
ALL THE EVIDENCE IS OUT. Look at Katelyn’s blog for all the letters, emails and other correspondence that affect this case. After reading the evidence, my opinion is that the school was upset about having their hand forced into firing the tacher and they took it out on Katelyn.

standupandspeakout.blogspot.com/
 
From the emails on the blog it doesn’t seem like the school was upset about the Sills going to the diocese so much as threatening to publicize the matter at their open house for prospective freshmen. This appears to be the threat (in an Oct 4th email they posted):

Assuming the emails on the blog are accurate, here’s the jist of what Loretto considered to be the threat:

Sr. Helen Timothy, Sept. 23 2005 to Wynette Sills:

As you chose to go to the Diocese about Ms. Bain know that Loretto is fully cooperating with the Diocese in their investigation.I will have no comment uuntil their investigation is finished.

Wynette Sills, October 4th to Sr. Helen Timothy:

“I sincerely pray for a resolution to this matter before that Sunday, twelve days from now. For if Loretto and the Diocese deem it acceptable to employ an aggressive, openly, pro-abortion teacher, all families, including ours, deserve to know of your decision before subjecting our daughters to such an unsafe environment.”

[October 16th was an open house event for prospective freshmen.]

The Bishop sent the letter urging the school to dismiss the teacher “with all deliberate speed” on October 5th.

Basically, Loretto and the diocese were not acting quickly enough for the Sills so Mrs. Sills threatened to announce the mess at their open house. Ironic that it has had far more publicity than could possibly be caused by one family complaining at an open house event.

I’m all for going higher up, e.g. the diocese or an IBVM superior to resolve a problem if a lower official hasn’t dealt with it. The family exercised this justifiably in contacting the diocese.

What I can’t understand, however, is that if her parents were so dissatisfied with the school that they considered publicly embarassing it (even if their ends were correct), why was their 8th grade daughter attending the open house and shadow day as a prospective student? IMHO it’s very odd that they respected the school enough to send another daughter there but felt a need to manipulate it into firing the teacher by threatening to publicly embarass it rather then go through the church.
 
slackernerd said:
“I sincerely pray for a resolution to this matter before that Sunday, twelve days from now. For if Loretto and the Diocese deem it acceptable to employ an aggressive, openly, pro-abortion teacher, all families, including ours, deserve to know of your decision before subjecting our daughters to such an unsafe environment.”

[October 16th was an open house event for prospective freshmen.]

This is what prompted the ban on the mother from the campus. From what I understand, what prompted the expulsion of the family from the community was that after Mrs. Sills was banned from the campus, Mr. Sills reportedly threatened to publicly raise the issue at a school dinner later in the semester.
 
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slackernerd:
What I can’t understand, however, is that if her parents were so dissatisfied with the school that they considered publicly embarassing it (even if their ends were correct), why was their 8th grade daughter attending the open house and shadow day as a prospective student? IMHO it’s very odd that they respected the school enough to send another daughter there but felt a need to manipulate it into firing the teacher by threatening to publicly embarass it rather then go through the church.
Ultimately they did go through the church, so I’m not sure what you mean by that. As for the rest, I don’t find it odd at all. They were trying to correct a bad situation at the school, not completely write it off (i.e., throw the baby out with the bathwater). Exposing it to prospective parents, people who have every right to know, was proper and commendable IMO. Not only were the ends correct, but the means as well.
 
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miguel:
Ultimately they did go through the church,…
It turns that the mom did not actually go to the Bishop. She claims she called a close friend at home who works at the diocese, trying to figure out what her options were if the school didn’t take appropriate action. She claims she did not want it to go any further, in the hope that the school would act soon. She claims her friend took it to the Bishop (Wed, Sept 21) without her knowledge or approval. This shows good will to me and is not surprising. According to the emails on Katelyn’s website, her mom first emailed the school with her concern on Sept 19. She sent 2 emails after that without a response, until after the Bishop had started his investigation. All she was looking for from the school was some sign they shared her concern and were looking into it. In her Sept 21 phone conversation with Sr. Barbara she claims she got “Just because a person volunteers at Planned Parenthood does not necessarily mean they support abortion.” “Mrs. Sills, you would be very surprised if you knew the number of Catholics who receive services at Planned Parenthood.” The Bishop’s letter ordering the school to fire the teacher came out Oct 5.

standupandspeakoutblog.com/password/sep21m3.html
 
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miguel:
Ultimately they did go through the church, so I’m not sure what you mean by that. As for the rest, I don’t find it odd at all. They were trying to correct a bad situation at the school, not completely write it off (i.e., throw the baby out with the bathwater). Exposing it to prospective parents, people who have every right to know, was proper and commendable IMO. Not only were the ends correct, but the means as well.
This is where the controversy is. The Sills agree with you that the action was appropriate. The school does not. So, it was time for the Sills to move on because the school and it’s leaders obviously aren’t going anywhere.
 
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smartblkchick:
This is where the controversy is. The Sills agree with you that the action was appropriate. The school does not. So, it was time for the Sills to move on because the school and it’s leaders obviously aren’t going anywhere.
And you’re fine with that?
 
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miguel:
Ultimately they did go through the church, so I’m not sure what you mean by that. As for the rest, I don’t find it odd at all. They were trying to correct a bad situation at the school, not completely write it off (i.e., throw the baby out with the bathwater). Exposing it to prospective parents, people who have every right to know, was proper and commendable IMO. Not only were the ends correct, but the means as well.
What I meant was that I thought it was odd that they were so offended by the pace/progress of the school and the diocese that they considered using a school function to attempt to dissuade potential students from applying while they continued to send one daughter there and planned to send another.
 
Here’s what I do not understand. The school essentially claims the Sills family was being disruptive and embarassing the school. Assuming Mrs. Sills is as vocal in her criticisms as it claims (or even half as much), did the administration really think the problem and embarassment would go away by expelling Katelyn? What Catholic school want the morning paper to have headline of Catholic school expels pro-life student?

-Illini
 
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Illini:
Here’s what I do not understand. The school essentially claims the Sills family was being disruptive and embarassing the school. Assuming Mrs. Sills is as vocal in her criticisms as it claims (or even half as much), did the administration really think the problem and embarassment would go away by expelling Katelyn? What Catholic school want the morning paper to have headline of Catholic school expels pro-life student?

-Illini
Good question they had to have known this course of action would just further exacerbate the situation.
 
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Vincent1560:
Good question they had to have known this course of action would just further exacerbate the situation.
Yes and no. Yes in that the controversy is still going among a very narrow segment of the Catholic population.

No. In that most people have moved on. I think it is very telling that one of the letters in The Bee was from a parent and was fully supportive of the principal’s and school’s position. I would venture to say that the vast majority of parents feel the same way–otherwise, we would have heard about a noticable number of parents pulling their kids out of the school. All they have probably done is ensure that people like the Sills will never send their kids there. And, I am sure that there is a long list of students waiting to get into a school that is, academically, that good.
 
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smartblkchick:
Yes and no. Yes in that the controversy is still going among a very narrow segment of the Catholic population.
Yes…the CATHOLIC segment…the segment that is still spiritually alive…the segment that can still tell the difference between good and evil…the segment that can still be outraged by BABY KILLING, by mothers betraying their own children. What is wrong with people who can’t even figure that out?
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smartblkchick:
No. In that most people have moved on. I think it is very telling that one of the letters in The Bee was from a parent and was fully supportive of the principal’s and school’s position. I would venture to say that the vast majority of parents feel the same way–otherwise, we would have heard about a noticable number of parents pulling their kids out of the school.
Sadly, you may be right about the number of real CATHOLICS out there. But truth isn’t a matter of numbers.
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smartblkchick:
All they have probably done is ensure that people like the Sills will never send their kids there.
People like the Sills are the saints of this world.
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smartblkchick:
And, I am sure that there is a long list of students waiting to get into a school that is, academically, that good.
Define good.
 
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miguel:
Define good.
Good in that they have a significant number of AP courses, a significant number of AP scholars, and a few National Merit Semifinalists.
 
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