Study: Fat Workers Cost Employers More

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Study: Fat Workers Cost Employers More
CHICAGO Apr 23, 2007 (AP)— Overweight workers cost their bosses more in injury claims than their lean colleagues, suggests a study that found the heaviest employees had twice the rate of workers’ compensation claims as their fit co-workers.
Obesity experts said they hope the study will convince employers to invest in programs to help fight obesity. One employment attorney warned companies that treating fat workers differently could lead to discrimination complaints.
Duke University researchers also found that the fattest workers had 13 times more lost workdays due to work-related injuries, and their medical claims for those injuries were seven times higher than their fit co-workers.
So . . . could an employer refuse to hire overweight people?

Alarm bells always go off in my head when I hear, “X causes Y billions in added cost, lost revenue, &c, &c.”
The corollary seems to be that since we all are paying these costs (thru taxes or insurance premiums) we all belong to each other (or to siciety generally) and therefore society should be able to dictate our health decisions.
 
sounds like we fatties need to study up on the Americans with Disabilities Act.
 
Or maybe lose some weight? I used to be overweight and it was no picnic. I didn’t feel well and couldn’t find any clothes that fit me. Finally I decided I would lose some weight. I never totally cut a class of food out (like the Atkins Diet has you do) but I cut the size of portions down and I began to exercise - slowly at first and then I built up.

I went from a size 18 to a size 10 and then stopped. Evidently this is the size I was meant to be and I’ve maintained it for 15+ years. My boss is terribly overweight and it is hard on her. She has had two knee replacements and now her back is hurting her. A friend of mine is so heavy she can’t fly since she can’t fit in the seats. She has sleep apnea and many other health problems as well. I worry about her.
 
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So . . . could an employer refuse to hire overweight people?

Alarm bells always go off in my head when I hear, “X causes Y billions in added cost, lost revenue, &c, &c.”
The corollary seems to be that since we all are paying these costs (thru taxes or insurance premiums) we all belong to each other (or to siciety generally) and therefore society should be able to dictate our health decisions.
Well we all do pay these costs
We are all brothers and sisters
And government already does do things like ban smoking, regulate food and drug sales and labeling, require safety devices in cars, etc, etc.
So this is not necessarily the slippery slope to government-mandated exercise & dieting (not that I think that it is necessarily a bad idea to tell people to eat right and exercise)

IIRC obesity is covered by the ADA so firms can’t discriminate against heavy people in theory

BUT As a small time employer I know that a group health plan is currently out of the question due to costs. In a small enough group one or two people with perceived additional health risks could price some of those who can afford it out of the market.
 
My daughter sells health insurance and small business employers are feeling the pinch. Let’s face it, if you were able to choose between two potential employees, both very qualified but one was overweight and a heavy smoker and one was average weight and didn’t smoke - well the choice is pretty clear.
 
You’re hitting a raw nerve here. Be careful.

My husband is about 60 pounds overweight, and I am about seventy pounds overweight.

We’ve tried. A few years ago, we joined a gym, went faithfully four-five days a week, did aerobic and weight training. We kept this up for almost two years (until my surgery March 19).

We cut out or down on junk food, sweets, pop.

I lost about 30 pounds and then stopped. Have lost NOTHING since.

My poor husband never lost ANY weight or inches. He went for hormone testing and discovered that he had a low testosterone due to a pituitary tumor. Got that fixed, has normal testosterone levels, continued the exercise and cut out all pop and other junks foods

He’s also a member of a synchronized skating team, and skates three times a week.

HE LOST NOTHING!! Not one pound. Not one inch. In fact, he gained inches, and finally had to give in and go to the “Big Men’s Store.” His blood pressure didn’t drop and his cholesterol stayed the same (around 200).

So please spare us the sanctimonius lecture about “eat less, exercise more.” It’s a lie. Just stop it, please.

There is no answer. Got it? NO ANSWER!

I believe that rather than emphasizing weight loss and thinness, we should emphasize good health. I am still about 70 pounds overweight, but my cholesterol is below 200 (179), my lipid ratio (HDL/LDL) is normal, my triglycerides are normal (50), my BP is normal, and I don’t have diabetes (yet). I am strong, I can do an aerobic workout for 20 minutes, I am active. I eat well, although I went back to drinking soda (two bottles a day)–why cut out something so tasty when it hasn’t made the slightest difference?

My biggest fear at this point is adult-onset diabetes, and I’m working toward eating foods that will delay the onset. I also try to stay active, although I have just had foot surgery for an injury that I incurred when I was about 50 pounds thinner. It has given me pain for several years, and the only reason I could only do a twenty-minute workout is that it would hurt my foot so bad that the next day, I wouldn’t be able to walk.

So hopefully, I will go back to working out and do it with less pain. I think this will help me delay onset of diabetes, in combination with a healthy diet.

But I don’t think a healthy diet and regular workouts will help me lose weight and get thin. I think I will go to my grave as a big woman. That’s OK with me, because I see myself as a beautiful, sexy woman, and my husband will agree.

BTW, the thinnest person in my workplace (5’3", 110 pounds), a woman who is religiously and vocally careful about what she eats and portion sizes–she is the one who misses the most work. Last year she had chest pains at work, was rushed to the ED, and diagnosed with congestive heart failure. She also has chronic back pain which causes her a to miss a lot of work, and she’s supposed to have surgery, but she can’t because of the risk to her bad heart.

So THIN PEOPLE are NOT IMMUNE from illness, injury, and DEATH.
 
No thin people aren’t immune from sickness and genetics plays a big role in our health. I’m very lucky to have good genes on my side, but regardless, we do need to take prudent care of ourselves without being fanatics about it.

Some people are simply not meant to be very thin - I would have to starve myself to get into single digit dress size. But I do try to exercise and eat sensibly - that’s all I can do.
 
So please spare us the sanctimonius lecture about “eat less, exercise more.” It’s a lie. Just stop it, please.

There is no answer. Got it? NO ANSWER!
You couldnt be more wrong.

You and your husband are (unfortunately) the EXCEPTIONS and NOT the rule to eat less, excercise more and one will lose weight.

The facts and studies speak for themselves. More people lose weight thru diet and excercise than do not. So you are wrong when you say its a lie.
 
We cut out or down on junk food, sweets, pop.

Did you actually go to a registered dietitian and get food counseling with a plan made for the appropriate amount of calories and then follow it faithfully? (Just a question for you. I don’t expect you to answer this publically.) I thought that I was keeping the calories down until I began to keep a food diary and wrote down every single morsel of food and drink that went into my mouth for 2 weeks. I also tracked all exercise. I was surprised to find that I was actually eating more calories than I had thought and burning far less than I thought. Not a criticism at you, just a suggestion of why your weight loss may not have continued as successfully long term. It is human nature to become less vigilent at tracking tasks over time.

I lost about 30 pounds and then stopped. Have lost NOTHING since.

So please spare us the sanctimonius lecture about “eat less, exercise more.” It’s a lie. Just stop it, please.

I didn’t see anyone being sanctimonius here. It is a medical fact that if you eat less calories than you burn consistently your body will have to burn stored calories either from fat or muscle. It can be more difficult for people with underlying medical issues such as a malfunctioning thyroid (I know because mine had to be removed), but it is not impossible or a lie. I have severe arthritis in both knees due to old injuries from sports and being a police officer, but I still had to find some aerobic exercise that I could tolerate. It is still very hard to work out even in water aerobics because I’m in pain for 12-24 hours afterward.

I still have many pounds to lose to get to my realistic goal to help decrease my arthritic knee pain, but I know good and well when I’ve eaten a few extra crackers here and an extra serving of pasta there that those calories still add up over time regardless of how “healthy” those foods are in proper portions. I also know that when I miss my workouts that logically I cannot eat the same amount without expecting to add to my weight.

There is no answer. Got it? NO ANSWER!

There is an answer to better health even if someone continues to carry a few extra pounds. Eating fresh fruits and vegetable prepared in a healthy way can cut down on some medical issues. Cutting out fried foods/prepackaged sodium laden foods can help other things (including lowering calories). Doing regular exercise has obviously been of some benefit to your husband, so you have contradicted your own assertion that there is no answer. He very likely added more lean muscle mass and lost fat even if his body weight remained about the same since he began exercising. It still has health benefits.

There can be unhealthy skinny people too. However, we are seeing an epidemic of morbidly obese people in our country. When someone is carrying an extra 100-500 pounds we cannot deny that they will at the very least be straining their heart and other organs and their skeleton. I’ve worked with other people’s medical cases for many years in more than one job and the problem is becoming much worse with more extremely obese people filing for disability after quitting or losing their jobs. There are lots of issues of missed work days due to back, knee and foot pain due to weight.
 
If they can raise rates for smokers… they outta raise rates for overwieght folks. Only fair.
 
I believe that rather than emphasizing weight loss and thinness, we should emphasize good health. I am still about 70 pounds overweight, but my cholesterol is below 200 (179), my lipid ratio (HDL/LDL) is normal, my triglycerides are normal (50), my BP is normal, and I don’t have diabetes (yet). I am strong, I can do an aerobic workout for 20 minutes, I am active. I eat well, although I went back to drinking soda (two bottles a day)–why cut out something so tasty when it hasn’t made the slightest difference?
I agree with you. One of our friends appears to be overweight. He’s actually in better shape than many of the thin people we know. No high blood pressure, no diabetes, he works out regularly, eats well, doesn’t smoke, the whole nine yards. Perhaps the fair way to do things would be a general health screening, rather than simple BMI assessment (or worse, visual assessment), something that would take into account attempted healthy living, even if the results aren’t immediately apparent. That would sort out those like you and your husband (and Puzzleannie, who takes good care of her health, if I’m remembering correctly) from those who simply don’t take care of themselves.

On the soda though: one serving of Coke (8 oz.) is over 100 calories, all of it from refined sugar. It is a potential diabetic’s worst nightmare. Please, for the sake of your pancreas, eyes, arteries, and heart, consider switching to diet or at least cutting back.
 
Biblioassistant–I work for an insurance company and I hate to tell you that no matter how much weight you’ve lost or how good you look, if you wear a size 10, they would still classify you as “overweight”. Of course, I’d jump for joy if I were a size 10.

My question is when is the witch hunt going to stop? When are we going to see the studies “Homosexual workers cost employers more” Isn’t that a lifestyle based activity that drives healthcare related costs up due to disease?
 
Everyone has something that’s going to cost companies so let’s not pick on the overweight. There’s a study that says overweight drivers use more gas in a car. Greenpeace would jump in and forbid us to drive. I grow tired of the weight police all over the place.
 
Biblioassistant–I work for an insurance company and I hate to tell you that no matter how much weight you’ve lost or how good you look, if you wear a size 10, they would still classify you as “overweight”. Of course, I’d jump for joy if I were a size 10.

My question is when is the witch hunt going to stop? When are we going to see the studies “Homosexual workers cost employers more” Isn’t that a lifestyle based activity that drives healthcare related costs up due to disease?
Indeed when will the witchhunt stop. But that includes the witchhunt for homosexual workers.😛
 
Biblioassistant–I work for an insurance company and I hate to tell you that no matter how much weight you’ve lost or how good you look, if you wear a size 10, they would still classify you as “overweight”. Of course, I’d jump for joy if I were a size 10.

My question is when is the witch hunt going to stop? When are we going to see the studies “Homosexual workers cost employers more” Isn’t that a lifestyle based activity that drives healthcare related costs up due to disease?
:amen: I’m with you! I am so tired of seeing people (the pinnacle of God’s creation, right?) constantly reduced to dollars and cents terms. It’s the same logic that tries to convince a woman to abort a less-than-physically-perfect baby because it will cost too much money to raise/educate, etc., or tries to convince us that elderly people should be put to death because they’re a financial drain on society. Good question – when will the witch hunt stop?

If I lost enough weight to die of starvation, my shroud would still be bigger than a size 10 – I’m tall and big-boned, and just built that way. For me, size 16 would be normal, size 14 would be thin, and size 12 would be dangerously anorectic. Far better to encourage healthy habits, and help people to improve their physical condition, and forget about this size-ist nonsense.

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couldn’t they offset the cost of the additional healthcare with strategically placed vending machines? The profit should be proportional to the waistline.
 
well said cat, i’m also 3 stone overweight or obese however you want to put it, i am also extremely fit rarely drink don’t smoke i do weights and cardio and hold down 2 jobs 4 kids and 1 wife i have never been fitter despite being fat
 
Well, ya’ll. My doctor says I am not overweight, and my BMI is fairly low. I don’t know any people who are severely overweight who are very healthy. (Yes, I know plenty of healthy people who are chubby or plump). I don’t have all the answers, but I do know that there are lots of people who have problems with weight -whether they are too heavy or too thin. When you can’t walk and have to take a cart at the grocery store because you are so heavy, there is something wrong. Likewise, when you starve yourself to broomstick thinness because that’s what the models look like, there’s something wrong. Like I said, I have no answers, but as for me I will practice moderation in all things.
 
If they can raise rates for smokers… they outta raise rates for overwieght folks. Only fair.
But isn’t the whole idea of insurance to spread the costs around to a large group rather than individuals?

I was always torn on this one
 
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