Study the Qur’an?

[arte]

CONT’D

The more I looked in the quran ,the more I felt is was wrong. The more I see islam and the quran…the more I seek Jesus and the Holy Bible and my Catholic faith

Many thanks for your views on the Quran and Hadith. As I mentioned before, one of my Christmas presents may be a Quran. I was also going to order the Hadith and the Sunnah. I debate Islam a lot and just reading through specific to topic Islamic scripture does make me feel the same as you. It is so refreshing to read the New Testament. The message is very clear and Jesus is such a calming hugely moral person. He is a pacifist. For me, Mohamed is much like some of the Old Testament prophets (Moses springs to mind) where violence is used and that violence is condoned by God. It is the way POWs, and captured women and children are treated that concerns me greatly. I have a lot of difficulty with that area of the 3 Abrahamic religions; indeed any religion with that type of violence.

 

[arthra]

Arte wrote:

“Mohamed is not calmed by Gabriel and Mohamed is physically attacked”

I think it’s fascinating to compare scriptures in the Bible with traditions in Islam… I composed this a few years ago and since it has some relevance to the above will share it here:

interesting parallel… If you consider Bukhari Hadith attributed to Aisha where it says:

The Prophet added,

"The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, ‘I do not know how to read.’

Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more.

Sahih Bukhari : Read, Study, Search Online

Compare with:

And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob’s thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him…

Genesis 32:24-28

This “man” turns out is an angel:

4He struggled with the angel and overcame him;
he wept and begged for his favor.
He found him at Bethel
and talked with him there—

Hosea 12:4

Compare Surat Al-Alaq and

Hadith attributed to Aisha:

The Prophet added,

"The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, ‘I do not know how to read.’ Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, ‘I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?’

Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said,

'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists) has created man from a clot. Read!

Sahih Bukhari : Book of “Revelation”

Compare Surat al-Alaq with

Jeremiah first chapter:

6Then I said, “Alas, Lord GOD!
Behold, I do not know how to speak,
Because I am a youth.”

7But the LORD said to me,
“Do not say, ‘I am a youth,’
Because everywhere I send you, you shall go,
And all that I command you, you shall speak.

8“Do not be afraid of them,
For I am with you to deliver you,” declares the LORD.
9Then the LORD stretched out His hand and touched my mouth, and the LORD said to me,
“Behold, I have put My words in your mouth.

 

[arte]

Arte wrote:

“Mohamed is not calmed by Gabriel and Mohamed is physically attacked”

I think it’s fascinating to compare scriptures in the Bible with traditions in Islam… I composed this a few years ago and since it has some relevance to the above will share it here:

interesting parallel… If you consider Bukhari Hadith attributed to Aisha where it says:

The Prophet added,

"The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, ‘I do not know how to read.’

Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more.

Sahih Bukhari : Read, Study, Search Online

Compare with:

And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob’s thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him…

Genesis 32:24-28

This “man” turns out is an angel:

Genesis 32:24-28
Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”
If you go back to 32:22, you will see the heading is: “Jacob wrestles with God”. Therefore it is not an angel that Jacob is wrestling with; it’s God.
Jacob’s case is metaphorical in that everyone struggles with God during their lives and also with people. God is letting Jacob know that He does exist and his struggles with God have now been overcome.

4He struggled with the angel and overcame him;
he wept and begged for his favor.
He found him at Bethel
and talked with him there—
Hosea 12:4

Very strange because this verse is saying that Jacob wrestled with an angel and won. It looks like a contradiction. I would go with the earlier verses: Genesis 32:22-28 because they describe the actual event and this is a retelling of the event many years later.

Compare Surat Al-Alaq andHadith attributed to Aisha:

The Prophet added,

"The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, ‘I do not know how to read.’ Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, ‘I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?’

Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said,

'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists) has created man from a clot. Read!

Sahih Bukhari : Book of “Revelation”

Compare Surat al-Alaq with

Jeremiah first chapter:

6Then I said, “Alas, Lord GOD!
Behold, I do not know how to speak,
Because I am a youth.”

7But the LORD said to me,
“Do not say, ‘I am a youth,’
Because everywhere I send you, you shall go,
And all that I command you, you shall speak.

8“Do not be afraid of them,
For I am with you to deliver you,” declares the LORD.
9Then the LORD stretched out His hand and touched my mouth, and the LORD said to me,
“Behold, I have put My words in your mouth.

I can see where you are heading with this in that there is synergy between what happened in Mohamed’s case and Jacob and Jeremiah. The synergy being that God wants all three to do something and in a way makes them uncomfortable to get His message across. The differences in the cases of Jacob, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Mary and Mohammed is that even if the Biblical characters are frightened, they are calmed down by the divine being but in Mohamed’s case he is not calmed down. Jacob and Jeremiah do not report being afraid of God. Mohamed also believes he has been demon possessed but the Biblical characters do not. If it was an angel that visited Jacob, then Jacob prevailed; he won the wrestle. However, he was wounded by the angel/God which could show that in order to convince someone to do something; the angel has to assault the person as in the cases of Jacob, Jeremiah, Zachariah and Mohamed. ** I find the “possessed by a demon” in the case of Mohamed and “his wanting to commit suicide” because of the visitation very compelling.**

From the above, although the comparison of scriptures in the Bible with traditions in Islam is indeed very interesting, **the evidence shows that something different appeared to Mohamed other than a heavenly being. **

 

[JimmyDFG]

muhammad’s “companions” noted that when muhammad received a revelation (which came from God or the angel Gabriel), the scribes were called to record it with Muhammad dictating where to place the particular verse in the quran. It is interesting to note however, that during this time, muhammad would occasionally repudiate some of the verses explaining that they had been slipped in by satan, and not the angel Gabriel. The renounced verses were then removed from the canonical text (which may partially explain the disjointed nature of the quran’s content).

 

[arthra]

Arte… Jimmy this is why a knowledge of the accepted Hadith is important… and the reassurance came at least in part from Waraqa a Christian:

Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin
Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza,
who, during the PreIslamic Period became a
Christian and used to write the writing with
Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel
in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write.
He was an old man and had lost his eyesight.
Khadija said to Waraqa, “Listen to the story of
your nephew, O my cousin!”

Waraqa asked, “O
my nephew! What have you seen?”

Allah’s
Apostle described whatever he had seen.

Waraqa said, “This is the same one who keeps
the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent
to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up
to the time when your people would turn you
out.”

Allah’s Apostle asked, “Will they drive me
out?”

Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said,
"Anyone (man) who came with something similar
to what you have brought was treated with
hostility; and if I should remain alive till the day
when you will be turned out then I would support
you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died
and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a
while.

(Hadith, Bukhari Vol 1)

 

[JimmyDFG]

Sticking to the topic of this thread. “Study the Qu’ran” Maybe give it a read…but when a verse says
Verse (4:157) “And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him” …and " those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain."

To me that’s a denial of our Faith …and could lead people astray.
A Bible verse from Matthew 24:11 Many false prophets will arise; they will deceive many,

 

[TonyBS]

Sticking to the topic of this thread. “Study the Qu’ran” Maybe give it a read…but when a verse says
Verse (4:157) “And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him” …and " those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain."

To me that’s a denial of our Faith …and could lead people astray.
A Bible verse from Matthew 24:11 Many false prophets will arise; they will deceive many,

Tell me if Christ is dead!

If Christ is not dead, you have what these verses are telling you.

Also ask who allowed this event to happen and what did the event achieve!

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[JimmyDFG]

Tell me if Christ is dead!

If Christ is not dead, you have what these verses are telling you.

Also ask who allowed this event to happen and what did the event achieve!

God Bless and Regards Tony

According to the quran, Jesus, although appearing to have been crucified, was not killed by crucifixion or by any other means. This view disagrees with the foundation of the Gospel.
Allah gave someone Jesus’s appearance, causing everyone to believe that Jesus was crucified.

Goes against Christian belief that Jesus was crucified and died for our sins

 

[mamlukman]

According to the quran, Jesus, although appearing to have been crucified, was not killed by crucifixion or by any other means. This view disagrees with the foundation of the Gospel.
Allah gave someone Jesus’s appearance, causing everyone to believe that Jesus was crucified.

Goes against Christian belief that Jesus was crucified and died for our sins

All this stuff about the crucifixion in the Qur’an is taken straight from Gnostic writings. There is no point in debating with someone who believes the Qur’an is the word of God.

 

[TonyBS]

According to the quran, Jesus, although appearing to have been crucified, was not killed by crucifixion or by any other means. This view disagrees with the foundation of the Gospel.
Allah gave someone Jesus’s appearance, causing everyone to believe that Jesus was crucified.

Goes against Christian belief that Jesus was crucified and died for our sins

Are you saying in the Koran it did not happen, or that you do not understand it the way it is written in the Koran?

“That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise”:- Qur’an, sura 4 (An-Nisa) ayat 157-158

The way I read it the unbelievers got not a thing out of the event. Those who believed and understood the event as was know the story as it is told.

To me it talks of the Spiritual Ascension of Jesus the Christ, we all know he was not killed but may thing He was.

Jesus lives - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_Jesus’_death

Discussing the interpretation of those scholars who deny the crucifixion, the Encyclopaedia of Islam writes:

The denial, furthermore, is in perfect agreement with the logic of the Qur’an. The Biblical stories reproduced in it (e.g., Job, Moses, Joseph etc.) and the episodes relating to the history of the beginning of Islam demonstrate that it is "God's practice" (sunnat Allah) to make faith triumph finally over the forces of evil and adversity. "So truly with hardship comes ease", (XCIV, 5, 6). For Jesus to die on the cross would have meant the triumph of his executioners; but the Quran asserts that they undoubtedly failed: "Assuredly God will defend those who believe"; (XXII, 49). He confounds the plots of the enemies of Christ (III, 54).

In regard to the interpretation of the Muslims who accept the crucifixion, Mahmoud Ayoub states:

The Qur'an is not here speaking about a man, righteous and wronged though he may be, but about the Word of God who was sent to earth and returned to God. Thus the denial of killing of Jesus is a denial of the power of men to vanquish and destroy the divine Word, which is for ever victorious.[9]

Regards Tony

 

[arte]

Are you saying in the Koran it did not happen, or that you do not understand it the way it is written in the Koran?

“That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise”:- Qur’an, sura 4 (An-Nisa) ayat 157-158

The way I read it the unbelievers got not a thing out of the event. Those who believed and understood the event as was know the story as it is told.

To me it talks of the Spiritual Ascension of Jesus the Christ, we all know he was not killed but may thing He was.

Jesus lives - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_Jesus’_death

Discussing the interpretation of those scholars who deny the crucifixion, the Encyclopaedia of Islam writes:

The denial, furthermore, is in perfect agreement with the logic of the Qur’an. The Biblical stories reproduced in it (e.g., Job, Moses, Joseph etc.) and the episodes relating to the history of the beginning of Islam demonstrate that it is “God’s practice” (sunnat Allah) to make faith triumph finally over the forces of evil and adversity. “So truly with hardship comes ease”, (XCIV, 5, 6). For Jesus to die on the cross would have meant the triumph of his executioners; but the Quran asserts that they undoubtedly failed: “Assuredly God will defend those who believe”; (XXII, 49). He confounds the plots of the enemies of Christ (III, 54).

In regard to the interpretation of the Muslims who accept the crucifixion, Mahmoud Ayoub states:

The Qur’an is not here speaking about a man, righteous and wronged though he may be, but about the Word of God who was sent to earth and returned to God. Thus the denial of killing of Jesus is a denial of the power of men to vanquish and destroy the divine Word, which is for ever victorious.[9]

Quran Surah 4:157-158 is completely wrong. There are several errors in the verse even if your explanation is included. The verse does not agree with the Bible and it also does not agree with the vast majority of scholars using critical historical methods. There is almost universal assent among historical scholars including non-Christian historical scholars that Jesus was:

1. Baptised by John the Baptist.
2. Crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.
   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

Jesus was dead when they took him down off the cross. Anyone saying anything different from this is going against the Word of God and historical facts. There are ancient non Christian sources that support the crucifixion and death of Jesus.

Non-Christian Jews would never call Jesus “Christ” which means the “Messiah” because they rejected Jesus as the Messiah. I cannot see non Christian Jews calling Jesus the “Messenger of Allah" either. The verse also says that people who believe that Jesus was crucified and died are “full of doubts,” to have “no (certain) knowledge,” and to follow “conjecture.” Christians are not full of doubts that Jesus was crucified and died; the complete opposite is true. As for “no (certain) knowledge,” and to follow “conjecture”, the writer of Quran Surah 4:157-158 is denying historical facts.

 

[TonyBS]

Jesus was dead when they took him down off the cross. Anyone saying anything different from this is going against the Word of God and historical facts. There are ancient non Christian sources that support the crucifixion and death of Jesus.

You completed overlooked or misunderstood what has been said, with what you have posted above.

A frame of Reference is needed and I will now leave that to you.

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[Servant19]

Quran Surah 4:157-158 is completely wrong. There are several errors in the verse even if your explanation is included. The verse does not agree with the Bible and it also does not agree with the vast majority of scholars using critical historical methods. There is almost universal assent among historical scholars including non-Christian historical scholars that Jesus was:

1. Baptised by John the Baptist.
2. Crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.
   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

Jesus was dead when they took him down off the cross. Anyone saying anything different from this is going against the Word of God and historical facts. There are ancient non Christian sources that support the crucifixion and death of Jesus.

Non-Christian Jews would never call Jesus “Christ” which means the “Messiah” because they rejected Jesus as the Messiah. I cannot see non Christian Jews calling Jesus the “Messenger of Allah" either. The verse also says that people who believe that Jesus was crucified and died are “full of doubts,” to have “no (certain) knowledge,” and to follow “conjecture.” Christians are not full of doubts that Jesus was crucified and died; the complete opposite is true. As for “no (certain) knowledge,” and to follow “conjecture”, the writer of Quran Surah 4:157-158 is denying historical facts.

This is very simple arte, only when you ask yourself the following question.

Was Jesus’ true eternal reality the “I am” or “the carpenter”?

.

 

[arte]

This is very simple arte, only when you ask yourself the following question.

Was Jesus’ true eternal reality the “I am” or “the carpenter”?

.

Yes, it is very simple regardless of how I answer your question. Quran Surah 4:157-158 is completely wrong. Besides disagreeing with the Gospels, it also disagrees with the historical facts. Facts are facts and cannot change unless one can provide peer reviewed historical facts that are accepted by the vast majority of scholars including non Christian scholars that Jesus was not crucified.

 

[TonyBS]

Yes, it is very simple regardless of how I answer your question. Quran Surah 4:157-158 is completely wrong. Besides disagreeing with the Gospels, it also disagrees with the historical facts. Facts are facts and cannot change unless one can provide peer reviewed historical facts that are accepted by the vast majority of scholars including non Christian scholars that Jesus was not crucified.

How you answer the question posted by Servant, may give you the frame of reference required to understand the verse from the Quran

Regards Tony

 

[Servant19]

Yes, it is very simple regardless of how I answer your question. Quran Surah 4:157-158 is completely wrong. Besides disagreeing with the Gospels, it also disagrees with the historical facts. Facts are facts and cannot change unless one can provide peer reviewed historical facts that are accepted by the vast majority of scholars including non Christian scholars that Jesus was not crucified.

Maybe you are looking at the Quran as a through-and-through history book

Do all the scholars you have consulted tell you that the Quran is all historical or predominantly spiritual?

.

 

[arte]

You completed overlooked or misunderstood what has been said, with what you have posted above.

A frame of Reference is needed and I will now leave that to you.

God Bless and Regards Tony

From your post:
To me it talks of the Spiritual Ascension of Jesus the Christ, we all know he was not killed but may thing(k?) He was.

Who are the “we” in the above sentence?

Your quote leads to the Islamic view of Jesus’ death
Jesus lives - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islami…sus’_death
The Islamic view of Jesus’ death is incorrect in that Muslims believe Jesus was not crucified. From the above site: “Muslim scholars have abstracted different opinions”. They are just different opinions and nothing else. More importantly the Islamic view **would not fulfill the reason why Jesus had to die. **JimmyDFG has already covered this in Post # 148: “Goes against Christian belief that Jesus was crucified and died for our sins”.

Discussing the interpretation of those scholars who deny the crucifixion, the Encyclopaedia of Islam writes:
The denial, furthermore, is in perfect agreement with the logic of the Qur’an.
For Jesus to die on the cross would have meant the triumph of his executioners; but the Quran asserts that they undoubtedly failed:

In regard to the interpretation of the Muslims who accept the crucifixion, Mahmoud Ayoub states:
Thus the denial of killing of Jesus is a denial of the power of men to vanquish and destroy the divine Word, which is for ever victorious.[9]

Whether the denial of Jesus’ crucifixion fits the logic of the Quran or not is of no consequence because the Islamic view and with it Quran Surah 4:157-158 is wrong.

If I have missed something please explain what it is that I have missed. I repeat what I said earlier: Facts are facts and cannot change unless one can provide peer reviewed historical facts that are accepted by the vast majority of scholars including non Christian scholars that Jesus was not crucified.

 

[arte]

Maybe you are looking at the Quran as a through-and-through history book

Do all the scholars you have consulted tell you that the Quran is all historical or predominantly spiritual?

.

For me, I like to have historical and where possible scientific evidence to support large events in religious books. I understand that this is not always possible but in this particular case there is historical evidence that proves Jesus was crucified under the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate. Therefore, unless you can produce reliable historical evidence, the Quran and the Islamic view of Jesus’ death are just conjecture,

 

[sennincatholic]

There are all sorts of scholarly materials available, from the Encyclopedia of the Qur’an to the Cambridge History of Islam (6 volumes). Some will only be in university libraries.

If you come across things that make you question Christianity, immediately investigate the issue. There is ALWAYS a refutation. There are a host of videos and web sites, although very few are Catholic. Most are Evangelical, but in this context it doesn’t matter–they are thorough and accurate.

Here are some suggestions:

David Wood (a lot of very funny, accurate videos on Youtube. I would start there. He also has a Facebook page “David Wood; the Bronx” and a web site acts17.net --go to the Islam menu. and answeringmuslims.com )
David is a former atheist turned Evangelical. But he has a PhD in religion.

answering-islam.org An Evangelical site, but with highly detailed and accurate information on Islam.

catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/islam/ the Catholic counterpart; sadly, not nearly as good as the Evangelical site

wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam a site that seems to draw on many groups–ex-Muslims, Muslims, scholars, etc. Formerly associated with Evangelicals, it seems to be independent now.

gatestoneinstitute.org UK–exec. director is an Iranian; board seems balanced between right and left. Seems to be promoting “moderate” or “reformed” Islam

answeringmuslims.com UK–Maajid Nawaz, an Egyptian and former Islamic extremist. He is very articulate, and since he’s been on the other side, he knows what’s going on. He endorses a form of “moderate” or “reformed” Islam.

There are many others. A final word of warning: if you delve into the murky world of Muslims propaganda, you will find a couple common tactics:

1. what I call the “fantasy Islam” (example: Myriam/Emilie Francois-Cerrah) In this case, the speaker creates an individualized Islam where they chose only the parts of Islam they like and reject the rest. This is common and all too easy–since there is no central authority in Islam, and since Islam has been in factions since the death of Muhammad, you find all sorts of groups saying “We are the true Muslims,” and other groups saying, “No, WE are the true Muslims.” So someone can present you with their idealized version of Islam, and you will be impressed by how wonderful it is. Be aware you’re only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
2. If you challenge something in Islam (the treatment of women, Jihad, enslaving female captives, etc.) the reply is almost always “Well, this verse applied to a specific situation in 633 (or whatever) and doesn’t mean anything today.” Ask yourself if this makes sense in an inspired book that is supposedly uncreated; are there any Gospel stories that relate only to Caesarea in 31 AD? Does it make sense that so many verses in the Qur’an seem to be there only to justify some action of Muhammad (for example, where did the veil come from? Well, Muhammad was visiting his adopted son, and he saw his adopted son’s wife nude, and he liked what he saw; the adopted son divorced his wife so Muhammad could marry her, and Muhammad (“the Qur’an”) decided it would be a good idea to veil women from now on).

Happy to answer questions.

great job Mamlukman:thumbsup:

 

[JimmyDFG]

Are you saying in the Koran it did not happen, or that you do not understand it the way it is written in the Koran?

“That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise”:- Qur’an, sura 4 (An-Nisa) ayat 157-158

The way I read it the unbelievers got not a thing out of the event. Those who believed and understood the event as was know the story as it is told.

To me it talks of the Spiritual Ascension of Jesus the Christ, we all know he was not killed but may thing He was.

Jesus lives - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_Jesus’_death

Discussing the interpretation of those scholars who deny the crucifixion, the Encyclopaedia of Islam writes:

The denial, furthermore, is in perfect agreement with the logic of the Qur’an. The Biblical stories reproduced in it (e.g., Job, Moses, Joseph etc.) and the episodes relating to the history of the beginning of Islam demonstrate that it is "God's practice" (sunnat Allah) to make faith triumph finally over the forces of evil and adversity. "So truly with hardship comes ease", (XCIV, 5, 6). For Jesus to die on the cross would have meant the triumph of his executioners; but the Quran asserts that they undoubtedly failed: "Assuredly God will defend those who believe"; (XXII, 49). He confounds the plots of the enemies of Christ (III, 54).

In regard to the interpretation of the Muslims who accept the crucifixion, Mahmoud Ayoub states:

The Qur'an is not here speaking about a man, righteous and wronged though he may be, but about the Word of God who was sent to earth and returned to God. Thus the denial of killing of Jesus is a denial of the power of men to vanquish and destroy the divine Word, which is for ever victorious.[9]

Regards Tony

Muhammad promotes his own modified view of Christianity and Jesus’ life. The quran goes to great lengths to deemphasize Jesus as a divine figure, proclaiming he was simply another “Messenger” like muhammad.

With muhammads spin on the crucifixion hes making look as if Jesus did not died on the cross for our sins. Which muhammad should of been thankful for