Study the Qur’an?

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arthra said:
Baha’i Writings do cite some Quranic verses but we do not claim we are following the social laws and ordinances of the Quran… Baha’is believe the spiritual truths are one but the social ordinances change from dispensation to dispensation.

Back to the Qur’an though… there was recently a few pages from a Qur’an found in Birmingham that seem to indicate the original revelation was unchanged.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Quran_manuscript
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"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens."

I like your signature, it’s a perfect start for a One World Religion.
 
arthra said:
Baha’i Writings do cite some Quranic verses but we do not claim we are following the social laws and ordinances of the Quran… Baha’is believe the spiritual truths are one but the social ordinances change from dispensation to dispensation.

Back to the Qur’an though… there was recently a few pages from a Qur’an found in Birmingham that seem to indicate the original revelation was unchanged.

See:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Quran_manuscript
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They conforming very closely to the quran now…but I’m guessing are not exactly the same. Also tests show it could pre-date muhammad
 
JimmyDFG said:
You know this how?
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Because I have studied the teachings and the blessed lives of the Bab and Baha’u’llah especially (because it can be historically verified as authentic in it’s totality)

Have you studied the Baha’i Writings for more than a year, together with it’s history?

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Servant19 said:
Indeed we have, and proudly so, otherwise the Day of Resurrection would not separate the living from the dead…

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What would cause the “Day of Resurrection” not separate the living from the dead?
 
Servant19 said:
Because I have studied the teachings and the blessed lives of the Bab and Baha’u’llah especially (because it can be historically verified as authentic in it’s totality)

Have you studied the Baha’i Writings for more than a year, together with it’s history?

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As I mentioned before… Jesus came and fulfilled the prophecies. So why is there any need of prophets after Christ?

Matthew 24:11 Many false prophets will arise; they will deceive many,

Because you don’t see muhammad or bab and baha’u’llah as being ravenous wolves, does that make them true prophets?

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets who come to you disguised as sheep but underneath are ravenous wolves.
 
JimmyDFG said:
As I mentioned before… Jesus came and fulfilled the prophecies. So why is there any need of prophets after Christ?

Matthew 24:11 Many false prophets will arise; they will deceive many,

Because you don’t see muhammad or bab and baha’u’llah as being ravenous wolves, does that make them true prophets?

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets who come to you disguised as sheep but underneath are ravenous wolves.
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You will need to go back to the Old Testament and look up what prophecy was not fulfilled with Christ, there are a few that are very obvious.

The Jews would have a very long List 😉

Muhammad is foretold in the Old Testament as well, as is the Bab and Baha’u’llah

God Bless and Regards Tony
 
JimmyDFG said:
As I mentioned before… Jesus came and fulfilled the prophecies. So why is there any need of prophets after Christ?

Matthew 24:11 Many false prophets will arise; they will deceive many,

Because you don’t see muhammad or bab and baha’u’llah as being ravenous wolves, does that make them true prophets?

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets who come to you disguised as sheep but underneath are ravenous wolves.
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  1. Jews deny these prophecies
  2. Baha’u’llah is not a Prophet.
  3. Jesus did prophecy about the End Times, we currently live in those Times.
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JimmyDFG said:
What would cause the “Day of Resurrection” not separate the living from the dead?
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Nothing would stop it. That’s the nature of the Day of Resurrection. All will be judged and all will be recompensed for what they have done. Some will live, some will die…

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TonyBS said:
The Jews would have a very long List 😉

Muhammad is foretold in the Old Testament as well, as is the Bab and Baha’u’llah

God Bless and Regards Tony
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The Jews will also say Muhammed is not foretold nor any person that came after the timeline of Judaism. Which is their right and logical to them.

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
The Jews will also say Muhammed is not foretold nor any person that came after the timeline of Judaism. Which is their right and logical to them.

MJ
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But they (the Jews) were wrong, only about Jesus, and the Christians are the only ones who are right, right?

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Servant19 said:
But they (the Jews) were wrong, only about Jesus, and the Christians are the only ones who are right, right?

🙂

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I can’t force the Jews to believe in Jesus. Only by my example with Christ in me (and following all he taught and commanded), we can speak and find common ground, in good spirit.

This also means, it is their right not to read the New Testament, because they know it is the product of the Church. But we can speak together and not try to convince each other. But again only by example, with Christ living in me, I think we can have mutual respect.

MJ
 
Servant19 said:
  1. Jesus did prophecy about the End Times, we currently live in those Times.
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No one knows when End Times will come so you cannot say “we currently live in those Times” unless you have reliable information to the contrary. In fairness to you, I have Christian friends who say the same thing. There have been many people, mainly Christians from what I have read, who say we are in End Times. Some give dates but the dates never work out so they shift the date further back accordingly. I put Jehovah Witnesses in that basket. There are Christians who can’t wait for End Times to come so that they go to Heaven and the rest go to hell. The main concern I have for the future is the “Muslim Trojan Horse” we are seeing in non Muslim countries particularly in Europe.
 
arte said:
No one knows when End Times will come so you cannot say “we currently live in those Times” unless you have reliable information to the contrary. In fairness to you, I have Christian friends who say the same thing. There have been many people, mainly Christians from what I have read, who say we are in End Times. Some give dates but the dates never work out so they shift the date further back accordingly. I put Jehovah Witnesses in that basket. There are Christians who can’t wait for End Times to come so that they go to Heaven and the rest go to hell. The main concern I have for the future is the “Muslim Trojan Horse” we are seeing in non Muslim countries particularly in Europe.
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There is very reliable Information, 1st the Bible, 2nd the Koran and 3rd the writings of the Bab 😉

All p(name removed by moderator)oint the End Times as commencing in the Mid 1800’s. the dates actually work amazingly well, but not many look. Start a new thread if you wish and quite some amazing facts will be disclosed…wait a minute, think that has been done a few times over 😉

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
There is very reliable Information, 1st the Bible, 2nd the Koran and 3rd the writings of the Bab 😉

All p(name removed by moderator)oint the End Times as commencing in the Mid 1800’s. the dates actually work amazingly well, but not many look. Start a new thread if you wish and quite some amazing facts will be disclosed…wait a minute, think that has been done a few times over 😉

Regards Tony
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The Bible is not something that self exists. The Book alone cannot Love. It is interpreted by the Church, which Loves. Working for and Loving one another is paramount. Id say Let God decide when he wants the world to end. While we serve one another and take care of the Earth.

MJ
 
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