Study the Qur’an?

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worldcitizen said:
There is already a very successful false religion that lies and steals stealing people’s hearts called ‘MATERIALISM’ and it lies and takes people away from God and promises bliss and happiness in exchange for your SOUL.

Has anyone seen this happy kingdom yet? All I see is binge drinking and drug taking, prostituion, wars, hate and prejudice. But materialism like the FALSE PROPHET it is promised us a world of happiness???

Buy this and your life will change forever it says. So people follow this false prophet and turn away from God and His religion and we have hell on earth.

The false religion is materialism and its God is $$$$$$$$$$. That is the antichrist that is deceiving the very elect. That is the real,false prophet Christ warned about.

The promised kingdom of happiness and bliss of of materialism replacing the Kingdom of God in people’s hearts. So obvious.
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Amen to that 👍

Regards Tony
 
Kaninchen said:
Have they got any predictions on when the next one is likely to turn up?
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Hello sister.

Baha’u’llah revealed that the next Manifestation of God will appear after 1000 years from His coming.

Hope that helps 🙂

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castle_hunter said:
I can’t?

So your saying jesus was a false messiah?
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No, I’m saying that you can’t tell the difference between a false Messiah and a real one.

Imagine Jesus came to the world today for the first time. How would you know He is the Messiah?

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castle_hunter said:
Yes. And in order to get that many people to follow it you have to get some truth in there. That was what I actually said in my post.

Look at technos quote at the bottom of his posts.

Tell me why you think jesus is a false messiah.
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I don’t think Jesus is a false Messiah, but I am interested to hear why you think Jesus is who He implied He was?

Why do you believe Him when the Jews didn’t?

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Servant19 said:
Hello sister.

Baha’u’llah revealed that the next Manifestation of God will appear after 1000 years from His coming.

Hope that helps 🙂

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Will that be 1000 years from his birth or some particular stage in his life? Were there any predictions about what this particular Manifestation will do? If there are several claimants, how will people know which one is the real one?

Probably not the right thread, I’ll ask another time.
 
Servant19 said:
So in that case, what’s wrong with Muhammad being ordered by God to kill people as a means for self defense?

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In the quran…

“…Whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption (done) in the land - it is as if he had slain humankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved humankind entirely.” [Surah Al-Maidah 5:32]

(Fasad) is an islamic concept which means spreading mischief in a muslim land, moral corruption against God, and any form of expression or activity by non-muslims or apostates of islam that creates disorder in the muslim community.

(And when it is said to them: "Do not make mischief on the earth,), means, "Do not commit acts of disobedience on the earth. Their mischief is disobeying allah, because whoever disobeys allah on the earth, or commands that Allah be disobeyed, he has committed mischief on the earth. Peace on both the earth and in the heavens is ensured (and earned) through obedience (to Allah). Ar-Rabi` bin Anas and Qatadah said

It is quite apparent that “Whoever kills a person….it is as though he killed all mankind” is completely misleading and dishonest and is intended as a dissimulation. It is as though it is saying that allah disapproves of killing (of any kind) i.e. “whoever kills… is killing mankind.” It is misleading because it is out of context and it was abbreviated deliberately to deceive those not familiar with the quran. Because when the verse is read in full it implies that “when the person is a murderer, or someone who inciting sedition,” that killing him is justified. And in the eyes of muslims, all non-muslims who reject allah and islam are “spreading corruption” and are legitimate targets to be killed. But it does imply (to muslims) that killing another (innocent) muslim would be synonymous to killing all mankind.
 
Hi everyone,

I found this really interesting quote from the Quran.

Most Muslims don’t follow or read the Quran much anymore but follow more & more Hadiths or sayings which they believe are attributed tonMuhammad.

But these verses from the Quran debunk any other guidance but the Quran like adding or taking away from Bible.

6:114 “Shall I seek other than God as a judge when **He has sent down to you this book sufficiently detailed?” *Those to whom We have given the book know it is sent down from your Lord with truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.

6:115 **The word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing His words. **He is the Hearer, the Knower.

39:23 God has sent down the best hadith, a book that is consistent, relating/contrasting/repeating. The skins of those who reverence their Lord shiver from it, then their skins and their hearts soften up to the remembrance of God. Such is God’s guidance; He guides with it whoever He wills. For whomever God misguides, then none can guide him.*
 
JimmyDFG said:
In the quran…

And in the eyes of muslims, all non-muslims who reject allah and islam are “spreading corruption”
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That is a HUGE and illogical leap given what Muhammad has categorically stated about protecting Christians and Jews.

To imply that the Quran is making statements that are intended to “mislead” others is another huge and irrational leap.

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JimmyDFG said:
Why are you trying to pit Christianity against Christianity?
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Because whatever rational proofs we provide to explain Quranic misrepresentation by Catholics, it is still seen that we are loved but we are in error.

This is telling since the concept of “error” is more important than “unity” in the Christian theological thinking. This is predominantly due to a lack of humility and prejudice.

If humility was practiced more, then metaphysical arguing and debating becomes less important (because we are finite, puny mortals that really don’t know much about metaphysics), and as a result unity becomes an outcome, and as a result Truth becomes prevalent.

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Servant19 said:
That is a HUGE and illogical leap given what Muhammad has categorically stated about protecting Christians and Jews.

To imply that the Quran is making statements that are intended to “mislead” others is another huge and irrational leap.

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I’m just stating whats in the quran 🙂
 
Servant19 said:
Because whatever rational proofs we provide to explain Quranic misrepresentation by Catholics, it is still seen that we are loved but we are in error.

This is telling since the concept of “error” is more important than “unity” in the Christian theological thinking. This is predominantly due to a lack of humility and prejudice.

If humility was practiced more, then metaphysical arguing and debating becomes less important (because we are finite, puny mortals that really don’t know much about metaphysics), and as a result unity becomes an outcome, and as a result Truth becomes prevalent.

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You trying to pit Christianity against Christianity has nothing to do with the tread at hand…nor does the baha’i faith
 
JimmyDFG said:
I’m just stating whats in the quran 🙂
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Yes, in the Quran it states:

“…Whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption (done) in the land - it is as if he had slain humankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved humankind entirely.” [Surah Al-Maidah 5:32]

…which is clearly OBVIOUS in its meaning.

But where in the Quran does it state (as you assert) that this verse is “completely misleading and dishonest and is intended as a dissimulation”??

Also could you provide the verse which specifically states “all non-muslims who reject allah and islam are “spreading corruption””?

Thankyou 🙂

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JimmyDFG said:
You trying to pit Christianity against Christianity has nothing to do with the tread at hand…nor does the baha’i faith
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You are correct. Our friend Techno (and the other fellow castle hunter, now banned it seems) keeps diverting thread topics by asking such questions to which we answer.

Thank the Lord for Eric Hilbert’s advice, we now know how to proceed 🙂

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Servant19 said:
Yes, in the Quran it states:

“…Whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption (done) in the land - it is as if he had slain humankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved humankind entirely.” [Surah Al-Maidah 5:32]

…which is clearly OBVIOUS in its meaning.

But where in the Quran does it state (as you assert) that this verse is “completely misleading and dishonest and is intended as a dissimulation”??

Also could you provide the verse which specifically states “all non-muslims who reject allah and islam are “spreading corruption””?

Thankyou 🙂

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Do you seriously need pointing out??
 
worldcitizen said:
They all teach to do unto others as we would to ourselves. Any religion can pick up any of the moral and spiritual teachings of any religion and be in agreement.
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“None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.” Number 13 of Imam “Al-Nawawi’s Forty Hadiths.”

You might of noticed the “brother” in there. If we look for the meaning of “brother” in islam …

"The meaning of “brother” in Islam
The word brother is used in two ways in Bukhari. The first meaning is an actual blood brother, sharing the same mother or father. The second meaning is another Muslim.

There are a total of 209 hadiths that refer to the word “brother” and of these 96 refer to being a blood brother. This leaves 209 – 96 = 113 hadiths about spiritual brotherhood.

This work is important since it means that pseudo-Golden Rule hadiths that say a Muslim is to love his brother does not apply to kafirs. Hence, the hadith is not a true Golden Rule, which is to treat ALL others as a brother. The kafir is outside the pseudo-Golden Rule. In Islam the Golden Rule is restricted to other Muslims."

cspipublishing.com/statistical/TrilogyStats/meaning_of_brother.html

This brotherhood however does not extend to everyone. quran 9:23 states that the believers should not take for friends and protectors. “O you who have believed, do not take your fathers or your brothers as allies if they have preferred disbelief over belief. And whoever does so among you - then it is those who are the wrongdoers”

. A clear example that Islam is not based on the Golden Rule is the verse (48:29) It says: "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.”
 
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