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[SpiritMeadow]

I’m a rural housewife with a few master’s credits in theology and biblical studies but I’ve been away from study for a good 10 years. Much I find on the web in terms of commentaries and such is conservative in nature if not down right fundamentalist. I’m more along the lines of liberation theology, feminist theolgy and well, more liberal minded writings. Anybody who can direct me to some sites and/or authors I might find on line would have my undying thanks. Money is an issue, so I just can’t buy everything

 

[Hellisreal]

I’m a rural housewife with a few master’s credits in theology and biblical studies but I’ve been away from study for a good 10 years. Much I find on the web in terms of commentaries and such is conservative in nature if not down right fundamentalist. I’m more along the lines of liberation theology, feminist theolgy and well, more liberal minded writings. Anybody who can direct me to some sites and/or authors I might find on line would have my undying thanks. Money is an issue, so I just can’t buy everything

And you come to a catholic forum to find people to point you into such things?

Would you not be better served to go to a site that promotes such junk?

 

[lak611]

I’m a rural housewife with a few master’s credits in theology and biblical studies but I’ve been away from study for a good 10 years. Much I find on the web in terms of commentaries and such is conservative in nature if not down right fundamentalist. I’m more along the lines of liberation theology, feminist theolgy and well, more liberal minded writings. Anybody who can direct me to some sites and/or authors I might find on line would have my undying thanks. Money is an issue, so I just can’t buy everything

You probably won’t find anybody here who can recommend what you are looking for. We are not fundamentalists, but we are Catholics faithful to the Magisterium and do not keep those types of works in our libraries.

 

[Hellisreal]

You probably won’t find anybody here who can recommend what you are looking for. We are not fundamentalists, but we are Catholics faithful to the Magisterium and do not keep those types of works in our libraries.

This poster put Catholic in their profile, just so you know.

 

[brian231]

I’m a rural housewife with a few master’s credits in theology and biblical studies but I’ve been away from study for a good 10 years. Much I find on the web in terms of commentaries and such is conservative in nature if not down right fundamentalist. I’m more along the lines of liberation theology, feminist theolgy and well, more liberal minded writings. Anybody who can direct me to some sites and/or authors I might find on line would have my undying thanks. Money is an issue, so I just can’t buy everything

Raymond Brown is a catholic scholar you may be interested in.

 

[lak611]

This poster put Catholic in their profile, just so you know.

I am aware.

 

[Hellisreal]

catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals/Dossier/Jan-Feb00/Article5.html

Yeah, there will be a lot of supporters for this one here.

Hans von Balathsar is mentioned in this too, and he had really odd ideas about Hell.

Thanks be to God neither of them could do more than pontificate their speculations.

 

[juliamajor]

I’m a rural housewife with a few master’s credits in theology and biblical studies but I’ve been away from study for a good 10 years. Much I find on the web in terms of commentaries and such is conservative in nature if not down right fundamentalist. I’m more along the lines of liberation theology, feminist theolgy and well, more liberal minded writings. Anybody who can direct me to some sites and/or authors I might find on line would have my undying thanks. Money is an issue, so I just can’t buy everything

Try “the women’s Bible commentary” by Newsom & Ringe &"tex:thumbsup: ts of terror " by Phyllis Tribble

 

[SpiritMeadow]

thanks for the 2 who answered with something substantive. To the others, well thanks, …I get this kind of treatment from fundamentalists…didnt expect it here. your fellowship is underwhelming

 

[BlestOne]

thanks for the 2 who answered with something substantive. To the others, well thanks, …I get this kind of treatment from fundamentalists…didnt expect it here. your fellowship is underwhelming

Hon… what exactly did you expect when you posted this?

I’m a rural housewife with a few master’s credits in theology and biblical studies but I’ve been away from study for a good 10 years. Much I find on the web in terms of commentaries and such is conservative in nature if not down right fundamentalist. I’m more along the lines of** liberation theology, feminist theolgy and well, more liberal minded writings. **Anybody who can direct me to some sites and/or authors I might find on line would have my undying thanks. Money is an issue, so I just can’t buy everything

Liberation? Feminist? Liberal minded? I think you may be forgetting that the doctrine of the Church should not and does not change… it is ageless and timeless because it is from God. I think in true Christian charity, we would rather point you to the God given TRUTH than to a man made theology. I guess this would look conservative… but remember in Christ’s day… it was quite liberal and quite unorthodox for the people of Israel. No offense here but what exactly is feminist theology? You don’t mean Goddess or priestess stuff do you? True feminism celebrates womanhood… the calling to be wives and mothers and to use the gifts God gave us as women. Jesus and his apostles were huge advocates of women… Just as the Catholic Church has always been.

 

[fellowChristian]

Catholic and feminism? I don’t think thats possible.
**
Ephesians 5**

22 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.

1 Timothy 2

Women Instructed
9Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments,
10but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness.

11A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness.

12But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.

13For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.

14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

15But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.

 

[Miserissima]

but we are Catholics faithful to the Magisterium and do not keep those types of works in our libraries.

I keep those works, the same way that Tim Staples keeps Jehovah’s Witnesses books (like Reasoning From the Scriptures) on his shelf.

They’re used as a tool, especially in apologetics, to understand the rationale of someone with whom you are defending the Faith.

Of course, don’t even look at them if they would undermine or otherwise shake your faith.

But having them as a tool or reference is in no way being unfaithful to the Magesterium. Sheesh.

 

[lak611]

I keep those works, the same way that Tim Staples keeps Jehovah’s Witnesses books (like Reasoning From the Scriptures) on his shelf.

They’re used as a tool, especially in apologetics, to understand the rationale of someone with whom you are defending the Faith.

Of course, don’t even look at them if they would undermine or otherwise shake your faith.

But having them as a tool or reference is in no way being unfaithful to the Magesterium. Sheesh.

I do not have any liberal Catholic works in my library, but I do own Protestant Bibles and commentaries. I tend to do more apologetics with Protestants or fallen-away Catholics who became Protestant than with liberal Catholics.

 

[Miserissima]

Catholic and feminism? I don’t think thats possible. **Ephesians 5 ****1 Timothy 2 **

We’re here to learn, teach, enlighten, and be enlightened. Not throw verses out of context. In Eph 5 the discussion is about mutual submission in a marriage. It’s not accounting for the woman in Proverbs 31 (from Mrs. Hanh’s talks) who also has a job outside of her home who brings honor to her husband.

“It is clear from Scripture that the husband’s being head of his wife does not mean he is to be “boss” or that he is to dominate his wife. Being “head” means giving his wife sensitive, intelligent leadership. But note: It’s to be leadership that grows out of loving consultation between the spouses. As head, the husband provides for and cares for his wife (and of course the children). He bears primary overall responsibility for the family.” (Fr. Ray Ryland, This Rock, Volume 15, Number 6)

And how about recommending something like this to our nw member? Does the Catholic Church Hate Women? **This Rock **Volume 17, Number 3

Or this: Spiritual Headship, This Rock, Volume 16, Number 2, in which Jimmy Akin says, “The differences between men and women translate into a corresponding differentiation of roles. For example, men are generally better suited to roles that require greater physical strength” and yet, “Men and women are equal in God’s eyes. They have equal dignity, and Christ died for both sexes equally.”

As in regards to your quote from 1 Timothy, why assume that the OP wants to offer consecration??? You are stereotyping as much as a Sola Scriptura troll who comes on these boards ans says that we Catholics worship Mary.

If she had such a question, why not refer her to an intelligent article llike this Women Priests: No Chance instead of Instead of throwing out scripture, answer her question – if that is her question – as to why that verse was written and what the Catholic stance is.

This is the courtesy we give to our Fundamentalist brothers in Christ when they visit the boards. Why not to the OP?

Back to the OPs question: feminism as acting in a complementarian role is encouraged. Egalitarian roles? Not in the current cultural, secular sense. I hope I have offered a solid foundation on what we believe, and why. I am sorry that many here are not able to offer resources that will engage you in conversation and understanding of our Faith.

 

[SpiritMeadow]

I guess I’m so sad that a Catholic of all people would refer to feminist theology as goddess worship? I must be incredibly naive to have thought that Catholics were among the best read, most educated. There are several here that sound like the worst kind of bible pounding redneck from ____plug in your favorite redneck state. But I’ve met way to many fine priests and nuns whose faith is deep and beautiful and who manage to be able to look critically at other theologies and glean what is useful.

To those of you who answered, openly or privately with useful sources, I thank you.

 

[Valke2]

I’m a rural housewife with a few master’s credits in theology and biblical studies but I’ve been away from study for a good 10 years. Much I find on the web in terms of commentaries and such is conservative in nature if not down right fundamentalist. I’m more along the lines of liberation theology, feminist theolgy and well, more liberal minded writings. Anybody who can direct me to some sites and/or authors I might find on line would have my undying thanks. Money is an issue, so I just can’t buy everything

I just read a very interesting book called “A Rabbi Speaks with Jesus.” The author did an excellent job, I think, in setting forth the fundamental differences between Judaism and Christianity, focusing only on the Jesus of Matthew’s Gospel. I think both Christians and Jews would get a lot out of the book.

It’s written by a rabbi, but endorsed by a pope

 

[Valke2]

Hon… what exactly did you expect when you posted this?

Liberation? Feminist? Liberal minded? I think you may be forgetting that the doctrine of the Church should not and does not change… it is ageless and timeless because it is from God. I think in true Christian charity, we would rather point you to the God given TRUTH than to a man made theology. I guess this would look conservative… but remember in Christ’s day… it was quite liberal and quite unorthodox for the people of Israel. No offense here but what exactly is feminist theology? You don’t mean Goddess or priestess stuff do you? True feminism celebrates womanhood… the calling to be wives and mothers and to use the gifts God gave us as women. Jesus and his apostles were huge advocates of women… Just as the Catholic Church has always been.

Assuming that doctrine does not change, that doesn’t mean you can’t have a liberal or different view/commentary of the unchanging doctrine. I was suprised to see such dismissive posts here. Are you saying there is no such thing as a liberal catholic perspective?

 

[fellowChristian]

We’re here to learn, teach, enlighten, and be enlightened. Not throw verses out of context. In Eph 5 the discussion is about mutual submission in a marriage. It’s not accounting for the woman in Proverbs 31 (from Mrs. Hanh’s talks) who also has a job outside of her home who brings honor to her husband.

“It is clear from Scripture that the husband’s being head of his wife does not mean he is to be “boss” or that he is to dominate his wife. Being “head” means giving his wife sensitive, intelligent leadership. But note: It’s to be leadership that grows out of loving consultation between the spouses. As head, the husband provides for and cares for his wife (and of course the children). He bears primary overall responsibility for the family.” (Fr. Ray Ryland, This Rock, Volume 15, Number 6)

And how about recommending something like this to our nw member? Does the Catholic Church Hate Women? **This Rock **Volume 17, Number 3

Or this: Spiritual Headship, This Rock, Volume 16, Number 2, in which Jimmy Akin says, “The differences between men and women translate into a corresponding differentiation of roles. For example, men are generally better suited to roles that require greater physical strength” and yet, “Men and women are equal in God’s eyes. They have equal dignity, and Christ died for both sexes equally.”

As in regards to your quote from 1 Timothy, why assume that the OP wants to offer consecration??? You are stereotyping as much as a Sola Scriptura troll who comes on these boards ans says that we Catholics worship Mary.

If she had such a question, why not refer her to an intelligent article llike this Women Priests: No Chance instead of Instead of throwing out scripture, answer her question – if that is her question – as to why that verse was written and what the Catholic stance is.

This is the courtesy we give to our Fundamentalist brothers in Christ when they visit the boards. Why not to the OP?

Back to the OPs question: feminism as acting in a complementarian role is encouraged. Egalitarian roles? Not in the current cultural, secular sense. I hope I have offered a solid foundation on what we believe, and why. I am sorry that many here are not able to offer resources that will engage you in conversation and understanding of our Faith.

Well I would have offered her stuff like that if I knew of stuff like that. But I don’t. So I remembered some Scripture. And if I had not put my post you might not have put yours. Now you have not only educated the OP but also me. Thank you.

That is why I said in my post “I don’t think thats possible” It is hard when you are only 2 dimensional. to get your point across.

 

[fellowChristian]

“There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out.”

 

[mtr01]

Assuming that doctrine does not change, that doesn’t mean you can’t have a liberal or different view/commentary of the unchanging doctrine. I was suprised to see such dismissive posts here. Are you saying there is no such thing as a liberal catholic perspective?

Considering that liberalism and modernism have been condemned as errors by Rome, it’s not hard to understand why some are dismissive.

Further, since liberalism is an error, I have a hard time understanding why someone would want a “liberal Catholic perspective” other than to refute it.