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twopekinguys
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Great Story Blueadept!!
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twopekinguys
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That is definitely what I would call turning a negative into a positve.
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Cowboy_Pete
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Most of the folks I knew that studied their way out of Mormonism were studying porn.
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Cowboy_Pete
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Didn’t you claim that you put me on “ignore”?
Didn’t mean to slur his character; I wish him well. Changed my wording to make clear that I was addressing the thread title, rather than this particular Bishop. My prayers are with him and his family; I hope that they are able to continue to love and support each other through these changes.
Didn’t mean to slur his character; I wish him well. Changed my wording to make clear that I was addressing the thread title, rather than this particular Bishop. My prayers are with him and his family; I hope that they are able to continue to love and support each other through these changes.
Stephen168
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I’ve heard that it is common for Mormons to do that to people who leave their church. Very sad.
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Cowboy_Pete
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You haven’t answered my question, Jharek. Didn’t you repeatedly announce that you were putting me on “ignore”?
No, my point was the “some sheep are black but most sheep are white” argument. This Bishop left the LDS church, and a number of Catholics left their church (Martin Luther, for starters) based on doctrinal opinion and study. Today, more LDS folks and Catholics leave their respective churches because of temptation and secularization. Like Nietzsche said, they looked into the void and the void looked into them.
Indeed, I think this Bishop is better off spiritually as a good Catholic than I am as a bad member of the mormon church. I’d probably find it easier to live as a Catholic, but my beliefs are still LDS. Plus, I can’t afford the $420 they charge here for the RCIA classes.
No, my point was the “some sheep are black but most sheep are white” argument. This Bishop left the LDS church, and a number of Catholics left their church (Martin Luther, for starters) based on doctrinal opinion and study. Today, more LDS folks and Catholics leave their respective churches because of temptation and secularization. Like Nietzsche said, they looked into the void and the void looked into them.
Indeed, I think this Bishop is better off spiritually as a good Catholic than I am as a bad member of the mormon church. I’d probably find it easier to live as a Catholic, but my beliefs are still LDS. Plus, I can’t afford the $420 they charge here for the RCIA classes.
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Cowboy_Pete
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You think that black is bad and white is good? Sounds racist, Stephen. 
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Cowboy_Pete
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Any perception of conflict between those statements would have to be based on the arguably racist assumption that white is good and black is bad. I made no such assumption. If you did, then repent, because racism is a type of pride, which IIRC is not a good thing.
Stephen168
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Was he studying porn? That’s always an easy way out
Most of the folks I knew that studied their way out of Mormonism were studying porn.
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Cowboy_Pete
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LoL! Imitation is the best kind of flattery, Stephen. If you’re trying to appeal to my pride, it’s working. 
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Tony888
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Woww! is it common to charge for RCIA classes?Indeed, I think this Bishop is better off spiritually as a good Catholic than I am as a bad member of the mormon church. I’d probably find it easier to live as a Catholic, but my beliefs are still LDS. Plus, I can’t afford the $420 they charge here for the RCIA classes.
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blueadept
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This is totally dependent upon the diocese that you are living in. In the Diocese of Fresno, it’s $0 for RCIA, $0 for Confirmation and $300 for investigating my marriage case for annulment. I’ve seen up to $500 for RCIA/Confirmation and $2000 for review of your marital situation. So it is totally dependent upon where you live. For my 27 yo son who live in LV, it would cost $500 for him to receive his Confirmation after he took the necessary classes.
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Luigi_Daniele
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Am I mistaken that Mormons are required to tithe to their church?
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blueadept
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They’re required to tithe 10% and I’ve witnessed both if that is gross or not. My wife tithed 10% of HER income only and it was on gross income. In the interview process with the bishop, it’s essentially based on the honor code but the bishop is aware of how much you’ve given each year. In talking with the bishop (biking buddy), he said he enjoyed the end of year tithing settlement meetings with all of his ward members since that is sometimes the only time he sees them. His one issue about it all was in trying to determine is some of his flock were full-tithe payers or not.
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Luigi_Daniele
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So the RC Church charging a few hundred bucks for services only when they are used is a bargain, as we don’t have any “minimum” tithing requirements.
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blueadept
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I would have agreed with you 6 years ago when I went through the process of having my previous marriage investigated, but I would disagree with that thought now.So the RC Church charging a few hundred bucks for services only when they are used is a bargain, as we don’t have any “minimum” tithing requirements.
Mother Teresa said that we should give until it hurts. In regards to my time, talent and treasures, my wife’s measly 10% she gives pales in comparison to what I do now IMHO which is small potatoes to what I hope to do in the future as I discern in being a permanent deacon.
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Miriam1947
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Wow, I had no idea that some dioceses charged for RCIA.You haven’t answered my question, Jharek. Didn’t you repeatedly announce that you were putting me on “ignore”?
No, my point was the “some sheep are black but most sheep are white” argument. This Bishop left the LDS church, and a number of Catholics left their church (Martin Luther, for starters) based on doctrinal opinion and study. Today, more LDS folks and Catholics leave their respective churches because of temptation and secularization. Like Nietzsche said, they looked into the void and the void looked into them.
Indeed, I think this Bishop is better off spiritually as a good Catholic than I am as a bad member of the mormon church. I’d probably find it easier to live as a Catholic, but my beliefs are still LDS. Plus, I can’t afford the $420 they charge here for the RCIA classes.
I came into the Church through a very small parish (now around 700 families) and they gave me a cross and the Catechism of the Catholic Church and tons of reading material. Everything was free. Including the coffee and cookies at the meetings.
Just wow.
In fact the first time I went to daily Mass I had a check all written for the collection. I had no idea that there is no collection at daily Mass.
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twopekinguys
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I am the lay director of RCIA for our parish, and the only cost involved is recouping the cost of the books used during the class. Even that is optional.
I am sure if you explained to the particular parish involved that the cost is prohibitive, something could/would be worked out.
I am sure if you explained to the particular parish involved that the cost is prohibitive, something could/would be worked out.
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HonoraDominum
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My RCIA was $0, and since we didn’t go to the Mass of the Faithful the RCIA catechumens never had any pressure to contribute or not to the offertory. I was taught when I was in RCIA that while I should give to my local parish for its upkeep and ministries, that my “tithe” could be towards any charitable cause. Sometimes I give more to the offertory, sometimes I give a special stipend to the flower fund, sometimes I give a good chunk to the Carmelite convent or the Mount Carmel friars, and sometimes I give to other causes that I think are fair and just.
When I was LDS, to keep my temple recommend (which was essentially required under penalty of losing the blessings of the temple covenant), I had to tithe 10% of my gross income. Mormons are required to go to something called “Tithing Settlement” at the beginning of the year, which is basically a meeting where you prove to your local bishopric that you did indeed tithe 10% of your gross. I brought in my W-2’s to mine if I remember correctly, to show that I really did pay 10%. At the time, I made about $20,000/year, so that was $2,000 out of my pocket. On top of that, the closest temple was over 30 minutes away, and I made that trip 1-2x a month for temple ceremonies. Then, when I got into the temple, I was required to rent the special white temple clothes required to participate in temple ceremonies. I also wore garments, which ran about $30/set for the tops and bottoms, and since these were essentially my “unmentionables”, I had a week’s worth at at time that were replaced after about year of wear (they were cheap fabric and didn’t last long). None of this is taking into account all the money spent on the Ensign Magazine, the cookies for the Linger Longers after church, the Homemaking projects, the Visiting Teacher cookies and Love Bomb materials, and all those other charitable acts that came out of my own pocket.
So when I look at the purely financial aspects of the two religions, I’ll take Catholicism any day.
That being said, it’s the blessed sacrament that keeps me coming back again and again.
When I was LDS, to keep my temple recommend (which was essentially required under penalty of losing the blessings of the temple covenant), I had to tithe 10% of my gross income. Mormons are required to go to something called “Tithing Settlement” at the beginning of the year, which is basically a meeting where you prove to your local bishopric that you did indeed tithe 10% of your gross. I brought in my W-2’s to mine if I remember correctly, to show that I really did pay 10%. At the time, I made about $20,000/year, so that was $2,000 out of my pocket. On top of that, the closest temple was over 30 minutes away, and I made that trip 1-2x a month for temple ceremonies. Then, when I got into the temple, I was required to rent the special white temple clothes required to participate in temple ceremonies. I also wore garments, which ran about $30/set for the tops and bottoms, and since these were essentially my “unmentionables”, I had a week’s worth at at time that were replaced after about year of wear (they were cheap fabric and didn’t last long). None of this is taking into account all the money spent on the Ensign Magazine, the cookies for the Linger Longers after church, the Homemaking projects, the Visiting Teacher cookies and Love Bomb materials, and all those other charitable acts that came out of my own pocket.
So when I look at the purely financial aspects of the two religions, I’ll take Catholicism any day.
That being said, it’s the blessed sacrament that keeps me coming back again and again.
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