Stunning Shift In WOT As Liberals Join The Cause

[gilliam]

A dramatic shift in the attitudes of New Yorkers toward the war on terror now shows broad support for the policies of the Bush Administration.
The tipping point was reached just days ago, as cellular service was cut off in the four tunnels leading to Manhattan.

“Today, it finally hit home,” said Joshua Brinkman, an executive V.P. in an actuary firm and frequent contributor to liberal causes. His driver frequently uses the tunnels to get him onto the island, and he describes “being cut off, mid-sentence,” during a call to his wife. Several harrowing minutes passed before he was able to re-establish contact.

pointfivestep.blogspot.com/2005/07/stunning-shift-in-wot-as-liberals-join.html

 

[David_Paul]

A day in the Hampies and he’ll be fine.

 

[Stu]

David_Paul:

A day in the Hampies and he’ll be fine.

Concur. As if 9/11 wasn’t enough.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Stu:

Concur. As if 9/11 wasn’t enough.

Three thousand of his fellow citizens died, and it isn’t until his cell phone is cut off for a few minutes that he wakes up and smells the coffee?http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon6.gif

 

[David_Paul]

New Yorkers are upset because they are having trouble milking the public over 9/11. Not as easy as it was in 2001 when a heiress got hundreds of thousands for being dislocated by the attack (she was actually having her apartment complex redone that month and didn’t even live there). No more million dollar payoffs to the relatives of those killed. No more bills giving NYC $35 billion in direct aid. No more semis driving up from Texas with BBQ for everyone.

They are reduced to trying to exploit the site by building a museum attacking America for genocide against native peoples, remembering the Holocaust and other besides the point displays. Reps from NYC are also introducing bills in Congress seeking billions to pay for the health care of those harmed by pollution caused, they allege, by a slip-shod clean-up (which probably means everyone on the island who doesn’t have full coverage would be covered by the Federal government–they will claim all health problems are caused by 9/11).

If NYC gets hit again, I don’t expect many from the heartland to open their wallets and hearts as wide as they did the first time.

 

[Philip_P]

I live in New York. I don’t know what the author of that article is talking about. All of us who live in NYC are concerned about terrorism. Many of us don’t believe we’re going about it the right way, and don’t believe the Iraq war helps make us safer.

And please, enough with the gratuitous NYC bashing. It’s wrong when liberals bash places like Texas and other “red” states, and it’s wrong when conservatives bash places such as NYC.

 

[Stu]

Philip P:

I live in New York. I don’t know what the author of that article is talking about. All of us who live in NYC are concerned about terrorism. Many of us don’t believe we’re going about it the right way, and don’t believe the Iraq war helps make us safer.

And please, enough with the gratuitous NYC bashing. It’s wrong when liberals bash places like Texas and other “red” states, and it’s wrong when conservatives bash places such as NYC.

New York City??!!

Get a rope!

 

[swampfox]

Philip P:

I live in New York. I don’t know what the author of that article is talking about. All of us who live in NYC are concerned about terrorism. Many of us don’t believe we’re going about it the right way, and don’t believe the Iraq war helps make us safer.

And please, enough with the gratuitous NYC bashing. It’s wrong when liberals bash places like Texas and other “red” states, and it’s wrong when conservatives bash places such as NYC.

I work in NYC and the author has it right. Most NY’ers are light on their criticism of the terrorists but heavy on spewing hate against the President.

 

[Philip_P]

swampfox:

I work in NYC and the author has it right. Most NY’ers are light on their criticism of the terrorists but heavy on spewing hate against the President.

I confess to finding the non-stop animus against Republicans grating - but this is more because I find such knee-jerk partisanism grating rather than liberalism. Before living in NYC I lived in red-state Kansas, and I found conservatism equally virulent and a complete turn-off.

On the other hand, living and working in NYC, I can’t say President Bush has done much to endear himself to me. What has he done for me or my city? We’re good for photo ops but not much else it seems. I don’t agree with the tone of many of my fellow NYers, but I share their general orientation against this administration.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Philip P:

On the other hand, living and working in NYC, I can’t say President Bush has done much to endear himself to me. What has he done for me or my city? We’re good for photo ops but not much else it seems. I don’t agree with the tone of many of my fellow NYers, but I share their general orientation against this administration.

What is it you think he should be doing for you or your city? Sending you only $1.02 for each dollar of highway taxes you pay (as in the case of Arkansas) instead of the over $3.00 you get now?

 

[Philip_P]

vern humphrey:

What is it you think he should be doing for you or your city? Sending you only $1.02 for each dollar of highway taxes you pay (as in the case of Arkansas) instead of the over $3.00 you get now?

He shouldn’t be cutting section 8 housing, which makes it possible for low-income NYrs to afford to live in the city. He shouldn’t have cut the funds that allowed us to put more police on the street. Back when they had the color-coded alert system (funny how that stopped once the election was over), every time they raised the alert it cost us millions of dollars in police overtime. Some money to cover that would have been nice. He should be making higher education a priority, increasing rather than decreasing federal grants and loan amount and the number who qualify for them. In an immigrant city like NYC, education is key to social mobility. He could shore up port security in places such as the superport across the harbor in NJ so I don’t have to hope that the wind’s not blowing toward me the day the terrorists detonate a dirty bomb.

There’s a lot he could be doing, a lot he shouldn’t be doing, and very few reasons why any New Yorker should be a fan of president Bush.

 

[swampfox]

Philip P:

I confess to finding the non-stop animus against Republicans grating - but this is more because I find such knee-jerk partisanism grating rather than liberalism. Before living in NYC I lived in red-state Kansas, and I found conservatism equally virulent and a complete turn-off.

On the other hand, living and working in NYC, I can’t say President Bush has done much to endear himself to me. What has he done for me or my city? We’re good for photo ops but not much else it seems. I don’t agree with the tone of many of my fellow NYers, but I share their general orientation against this administration.

Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country. I remember a democrat President that expressed that sentiment, but I guess those were less cynical times–I do recall some tens of billions provided to NYC post 9/11 and legislation establishing tax breaks for NYC Liberty zone investment.

 

[MikeWM]

Philip P:

He could shore up port security in places such as the superport across the harbor in NJ so I don’t have to hope that the wind’s not blowing toward me the day the terrorists detonate a dirty bomb.

Port security is always a good idea; however I wouldn’t worry too much about dirty bombs, at least not as a threat to life and limb. As this (govt) website says, they are massively disruptive, but not much of a danger to life:

‘At the levels created by most probable sources, not enough radiation would be present in a dirty bomb to kill people or cause severe illness.’

nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/dirty-bombs.html

Mike

 

[Philip_P]

swampfox:

Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country. I remember a democrat President that expressed that sentiment, but I guess those were less cynical times–I do recall some tens of billions provided to NYC post 9/11 and legislation establishing tax breaks for NYC Liberty zone investment.

The president is not my country. The president works for me and for all Americans. If I do not believe he is serving the interests of my country, I am under no obligation to agree with his decisions. He’s not a king.

As far as the liberty zones, they have been helpful, but it shouldn’t take a massive terrorist attack to spur investment in our cities. Furthermore, healthy city’s need sustained, comprehensive support, not merely spot support. It’s great that the feds have helped the city make a bid to keep business and residents downtown, but NYC is more than just the tip of Manhattan, and terrorism is only one of many threats to our cities. The cuts in housing, education, police protection, transit, and other vital services weaken the city significantly.

 

[thestickman]

Philip P:

The president is not my country. The president works for me and for all Americans. If I do not believe he is serving the interests of my country, I am under no obligation to agree with his decisions. He’s not a king.

LOL!!! And where in this thread has anyone suggested the President is your country or is a king?

 

[swampfox]

Philip P:

The president is not my country. The president works for me and for all Americans. If I do not believe he is serving the interests of my country, I am under no obligation to agree with his decisions. He’s not a king.

As far as the liberty zones, they have been helpful, but it shouldn’t take a massive terrorist attack to spur investment in our cities. Furthermore, healthy city’s need sustained, comprehensive support, not merely spot support. It’s great that the feds have helped the city make a bid to keep business and residents downtown, but NYC is more than just the tip of Manhattan, and terrorism is only one of many threats to our cities. The cuts in housing, education, police protection, transit, and other vital services weaken the city significantly.

What weakens the city is the political corruption, the massive waste of dollars paid by taxpayers who are among the highest taxed Americans, a bloated government bureaucracy, and the moral decay of most inhabitants and representatives of this pro-culture-of-death city.

 

[Richardols]

swampfox:

What weakens the city is the political corruption, the massive waste of dollars paid by taxpayers who are among the highest taxed Americans, a bloated government bureaucracy, and the moral decay of most inhabitants and representatives of this pro-culture-of-death city.

If the city and its inhabitants are as bad as you say, perhaps its utter destruction by Al-Qa’-idah should be welcomed by good God-fearing Americans who live elsewhere.

 

[Philip_P]

swampfox:

What weakens the city is the political corruption, the massive waste of dollars paid by taxpayers who are among the highest taxed Americans, a bloated government bureaucracy, and the moral decay of most inhabitants and representatives of this pro-culture-of-death city.

NYC loves you too.

 

[swampfox]

Philip P:

NYC loves you too.

You seem to be attributing the capability to feel compassion to an inanimate object, but seriously the city’s treasury isn’t owed anything by non-NY’ers. NY’ers, who overwhelmingly promote the culture of death and support abortion, big government social programs, affirmative discrimination in hiring, school admissions, and government contracts, cuts in national defense spending and readiness, and who have nothing but contempt for mainstream Americans who don’t embrace their leftist ideology and moral relativism, certainly can fend for themselves.

 

[Philip_P]

Swamp,

You claim that NYers “have nothing but contempt for mainstream Americans.”

Wonder why that could be:

What weakens the city is the political corruption, the massive waste of dollars paid by taxpayers who are among the highest taxed Americans, a bloated government bureaucracy, and the moral decay of most inhabitants and representatives of this pro-culture-of-death city.

If that’s what “mainstream America” thinks of us, well you can’t blame us for getting a bit exasperrated at times, even if we should know better than to take such attacks seriously.

Now it is true that NYers can be as provincial as anyone else. On several occassions I’ve gotten into discussions where I point out that no, the world does not drop off into space beyond the Hudson (despite what it looks like on the subway map) and yes, there really is intelligent life “out there.”

Still, I am happy to report that a very many NYers are able to rise above such petty geographic hate. You seem to have a deep contempt for 8 million of your fellow Americans. You may wish to ask yourself if this is truly a healthy and virtuous attitude.