Such Disrespect!

[Phemie]

Mmmmmm I read the entire company news and it’s clear, that this WAS NOT a Protestant practice. **The Arch diocese in Vermont **declared that this system of communion would be used during cold and flu system. It doesn’t seem to be optional. Some members of the parish welcomed it, others did not.

I’m not Catholic so I don’t have an opinion one way or another, but in my own church we do not use communal cups EVER.

I listened to the news report from Vermont and did not hear anything about the Bishop mandating this to be the form for Communion.

The Vermont Bishop, like many other bishops and pastors during the H1N1 ‘pandemic’, mandated that there be no Communion from the Chalice and no shaking of hands at the Sign of Peace. We did the same in our parish and it didn’t involve individual glasses and a ‘Host dispenser’. We just stopped offering the Chalice and we bowed instead of shaking hands.

I honestly think the company linked to these reports to show that there is a need for their product, not to say that their product was used.

What did bother me was reading the newspaper article and having a diocesan representative tell the media that some people are upset that they can’t ‘complete Communion’. HELLO!! Why would you ever make such a comment without emphasizing that Communion with Host alone is not ‘incomplete’?

 

[Dempsey1919]

No, no one currently uses the Sarum Rite.

You’re right, nobody uses the complete Sarum Rite these days. However, many elements of the Sarum rite were re-introduced into the Anglican services in the late 19th Century due to the Oxford Movement. Furthermore, the Anglican Communion retained many elements of Catholic worship; this is why our services are similar. When I made my original comment, I was referring to the more hardline protestant denominations. Perhaps I shouldn’t have made such a sweeping statement.

And although some Anglicans call themselves Catholics, they are not. They’re just mistaken. Their orders and apostolic succession are void.

Again, you are correct. I have read Apostolicae Curae and I accept the teachings it contains. However, many traditional Anglicans assent to many elements of the Catholic faith, which is why they prefer to call themselves Catholics; and not Protestants.

 

[Redbaron998]

Back when I used to be Methodist we used the drink thing shown in the video for the grape juice. I have to admit I thought it was beautiful that at the Catholic church (when I was visiting it before i joined) acutally shared the cup. Is it the most sanitary thing in the world? No but some things are just more important than the remote chance of getting a cold. They wipe it anyways between each person.

Ive never seen the host dispensor even from my protestant days, seems a lil impersonal. I like it that the Priest of minister is handing me the Host, its like a sacred passing with real human contact. Its a part of what makes Catholic communion more personal and I think thats something that we should never let fade.

Plus they didnt put Jesus in a dispensor, and personally I dont think id want to put him in a metal pez dispensor.

 

[choy]

Back when I used to be Methodist we used the drink thing shown in the video for the grape juice. I have to admit I thought it was beautiful that at the Catholic church (when I was visiting it before i joined) acutally shared the cup. Is it the most sanitary thing in the world? No but some things are just more important than the remote chance of getting a cold. They wipe it anyways between each person.

Ive never seen the host dispensor even from my protestant days, seems a lil impersonal. I like it that the Priest of minister is handing me the Host, its like a sacred passing with real human contact. Its a part of what makes Catholic communion more personal and I think thats something that we should never let fade.

Plus they didnt put Jesus in a dispensor, and personally I dont think id want to put him in a metal pez dispensor.

don’t worry, that thing will never ever be used in the Catholic Church
i’m not well versed with the Canon Law and other Church documents, but just one look at it i’m pretty sure there’s a long list of violations already

 

[BernadetteM]

It might be a Lutheran church as I noticed that the minister wore a stole and there appeared to be a sanctuary light hanging from the ceiling. Although Lutherans don’t have the reserved Sacrament as far as I know.

It didn’t look Catholic at all to me.

The Sarum Use is still used in a few parishes, very few in England I believe.

The Anglican Use parishes actually use the Sarum Canon which is almost the same as the Eucharistic prayer I, and I believe the same as the one used at EF Masses.

It is very beautiful and I wish that all parishes would use this Canon, but it is longer than the other prayers, so that seems to be the reason it is used only in some parishes.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

 

[Phemie]

It could be just an ad and not an actual liturgy.

 

[PJM]

=LoyalViews;6700974]You can’t make this up! Just look at the disrespect given to Our Lord! He is plopped out of a dispenser like some candy, then people go over to the tray and take a small cup of the Precious Blood, drink it, then throw the cup out – not even purified, or anything. Just imagine how many crumbs of Our Lord are in that sacrileious machine, and those shot glasses. Disgusting. Just look
youtube.com/watch?v=ESvvO0250Zw

Let your Bishop know about this at once!

Dear God help us!

 

[choy]

Let your Bishop know about this at once!

Dear God help us!

the Bishop can’t do anything about this

 

[MarkThompson]

Let your Bishop know about this at once!

Dear God help us!

Please reread thread – this is a Protestant minister, Protestant church.

 

[choy]

Please reread thread – this is a Protestant minister, Protestant church.

yup, thats obvious because of the lack of a crucifix

 

[Phemie]

yup, thats obvious because of the lack of a crucifix

I wouldn’t base my judgment on that - there are Catholic churches without crucifixes. It’s not right but it happens.

 

[choy]

I wouldn’t base my judgment on that - there are Catholic churches without crucifixes. It’s not right but it happens.

isn’t a crucifix a requirement to celebrate the mass? either over the altar, on the altar, or on the side, which would be the one carried by the sacristan during the procession

 

[Phemie]

isn’t a crucifix a requirement to celebrate the mass? either over the altar, on the altar, or on the side, which would be the one carried by the sacristan during the procession

It’s a requirement but one that is sometimes ignored.

During the Easter season in my parish there is nary a crucifix to be seen. The Risen Christ is on the sanctuary cross and, because they paid big bucks for it, they replace the Crucified Christ processional cross with the Risen Christ processional cross. I’ve argued, and argued and argued but it does no good, they spent all that money on it so they are using it – that’s exactly what they’ve said to me.

This dates back about 5 years when the youth group spent money on a processional cross and candle holders for the parish. They didn’t consult the liturgy committee, just the pastor of the day who, sorry to say, never saw a rubric he wouldn’t ignore. They asked him in passing what they should get and then ended up having to spend more money special ordering his suggested Risen Christ cross because a Crucifix was the default for the product they were ordering. When it came in and the liturgy people said “BUT, BUT, BUT, it has to be a Crucifix, we’ve already got a Risen Christ!” they got very ticked off but turned around and ordered the Crucifix one. Unfortunately, they insist on getting their money’s worth by using the Risen Christ one during Christmas and Easter.

 

[choy]

It’s a requirement but one that is sometimes ignored.

During the Easter season in my parish there is nary a crucifix to be seen. The Risen Christ is on the sanctuary cross and, because they paid big bucks for it, they replace the Crucified Christ processional cross with the Risen Christ processional cross. I’ve argued, and argued and argued but it does no good, they spent all that money on it so they are using it – that’s exactly what they’ve said to me.

well, at least the cross with Christ is still there. the video presented doesn’t have any representation of Christ on the cross

if is saw one use the “Ressure-fix”, i would still identify it as Catholic, albeit a misguided one

 

[Layman]

Just Googled “Risen Christ Crucifix”. I feel sorry for Phemie if her parish insists on using that over Easter. It’s a contradiction, especially on Good Friday, or any other time, I’d say.

 

[mariyka]

Fair enough, no harm done. I don’t know whether you read Spanish, but obviously the person who posted it wants you to think it was a Catholic church – and maybe they really thought it was. But check out the company’s website, and wait for the main picture to cycle around to the closeup of the minister holding the dispenser. You’ll clearly see the wedding ring on his left ring finger. (It’s the same minister from this video, which is further down on their homepage.)

The way I figured out it was Protestant, was the lack of the Corpus on the Cross over the altar. I was stunned, until I realized it wasn’t a Catholic church.

 

[Phemie]

Just Googled “Risen Christ Crucifix”. I feel sorry for Phemie if her parish insists on using that over Easter. It’s a contradiction, especially on Good Friday, or any other time, I’d say.

For a couple of years I referred to him as the Travelling Jesus because on Ash Wednesday they removed the Risen Christ from the cross (no small feat, he’s about 4’ tall) and hung a smaller, painted plaster crucifix on top of the bare cross. For all of Lent we had small crucifix over large cross with two INRI plaques.

This year the entire Risen Christ was covered from Ash Wednesday to Holy Saturday but we had the crucifix processional cross in the sanctuary. Different pastor, different ways. It would all be solved if they just put a corpus on the cross and hung the Risen Christ at the back of the church.

Our parish has the problem that if anyone proposes something it’s almost always accepted in the name of not hurting feelings. The youth group is a prime example. Because they raise the money, they feel they can buy without consulting and then, because they’ve bought it, it goes into use. We have 2 beautiful, heavy, decorated chalices that need re-plating; we could also use another altar cloth. They were told about it but would they even consider that? Nooo, they just went ahead and ordered a set of 2 very plain chalices and a ciborium (which we didn’t need). Why? Why not give what the parish needs rather than impose what it wants.