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Jessica_Girardi
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I understand what you are saying I will type this to you copy and paste it in a forum. It might not be posted until reviewed though.
Re: Praying is good but learning how to pray is vital.
Praying is a relationship with God. Praying to other titles and names is not in the bible. Moses was used of God and even Esther was used of God we do not pray to them and there is a reason. First because prayer is a relationship with God. Praying to another name is simply stating to have a relationship with someone other than God. But let’s not take my opinion for it let’s examine the bible together…
Genesis 25:21
Isaac prayed to the LORD on behalf of his wife, because she was barren. The LORD answered his prayer, and his wife Rebekah became pregnant.
Genesis 25:20-22 (in Context) Genesis 25 (Whole Chapter)
Genesis 32:9
Then Jacob prayed, "O God of my father Abraham, God of my father Isaac, O LORD, who said to me, ‘Go back to your country and your relatives, and I will make you prosper,’
Genesis 32:8-10 (in Context) Genesis 32 (Whole Chapter)
Genesis 32:11
Save me, I pray, from the hand of my brother Esau, for I am afraid he will come and attack me, and also the mothers with their children.
Genesis 32:10-12 (in Context) Genesis 32 (Whole Chapter)
Exodus 8:8
Pharaoh summoned Moses and Aaron and said, “Pray to the LORD to take the frogs away from me and my people, and I will let your people go to offer sacrifices to the LORD.”
Exodus 8:7-9 (in Context) Exodus 8 (Whole Chapter)
Exodus 8:9
Moses said to Pharaoh, “I leave to you the honor of setting the time for me to pray for you and your officials and your people that you and your houses may be rid of the frogs, except for those that remain in the Nile.”
Exodus 8:8-10 (in Context) Exodus 8 (Whole Chapter)
The above are examples of praying to God in the Old testament. Now note how we are taught to pray in the New Testament
in my prayers at all times; and I pray that now at last by God’s will the way may be opened for me to come to you.
Romans 1:9-11 (in Context) Romans 1 (Whole Chapter)
2 Corinthians 1:11
as you help us by your prayers. Then many will give thanks on our behalf for the gracious favor granted us in answer to the prayers of many.
2 Corinthians 1:10-12 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 1 (Whole Chapter)
2 Corinthians 9:14
And in their prayers for you their hearts will go out to you, because of the surpassing grace God has given you.
2 Corinthians 9:13-15 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 9 (Whole Chapter)
Ephesians 1:16
I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers.
Ephesians 1:15-17 (in Context) Ephesians 1 (Whole Chapter)
Ephesians 6:18
And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.
Ephesians 6:17-19 (in Context) Ephesians 6 (Whole Chapter)
Philippians 1:4
In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy
Philippians 1:3-5 (in Context) Philippians 1 (Whole Chapter)
Philippians 1:19
Yes, and I will continue to rejoice, for I know that through your prayers and the help given by the Spirit of Jesus Christ, what has happened to me will turn out for my deliverance.
Philippians 1:18-20 (in Context) Philippians 1 (Whole Chapter)
1 Thessalonians 1:2
Thanksgiving for the Thessalonians’ Faith ] We always thank God for all of you, mentioning you in our prayers.
1 Thessalonians 1:1-3 (in Context) 1 Thessalonians 1 (Whole Chapter)
1 Timothy 2:1
Instructions on Worship ] I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone—
1 Timothy 2:1-3 (in Context) 1 Timothy 2 (Whole Chapter)
2 Timothy 1:3
Encouragement to Be Faithful ] I thank God, whom I serve, as my forefathers did, with a clear conscience, as night and day I constantly remember you in my prayers.
2 Timothy 1:2-4 (in Context) 2 Timothy 1 (Whole Chapter)
Philemon 1:4
Thanksgiving and Prayer ] I always thank my God as I remember you in my prayers,
Philemon 1:3-5 (in Context) Philemon 1 (Whole Chapter)
See in the above they prayed to Lord,God never to a person who worked for God. Afterall he is the supreme and there is none like him.This whole earth thing is not to make other Gods but to be a relashionship with the one true God. P.S. These are only some scriptures on prayer to view them all search biblegateway.com and enter “pray” and or “prayers”
Re: Praying is good but learning how to pray is vital.
Praying is a relationship with God. Praying to other titles and names is not in the bible. Moses was used of God and even Esther was used of God we do not pray to them and there is a reason. First because prayer is a relationship with God. Praying to another name is simply stating to have a relationship with someone other than God. But let’s not take my opinion for it let’s examine the bible together…
Genesis 25:21
Isaac prayed to the LORD on behalf of his wife, because she was barren. The LORD answered his prayer, and his wife Rebekah became pregnant.
Genesis 25:20-22 (in Context) Genesis 25 (Whole Chapter)
Genesis 32:9
Then Jacob prayed, "O God of my father Abraham, God of my father Isaac, O LORD, who said to me, ‘Go back to your country and your relatives, and I will make you prosper,’
Genesis 32:8-10 (in Context) Genesis 32 (Whole Chapter)
Genesis 32:11
Save me, I pray, from the hand of my brother Esau, for I am afraid he will come and attack me, and also the mothers with their children.
Genesis 32:10-12 (in Context) Genesis 32 (Whole Chapter)
Exodus 8:8
Pharaoh summoned Moses and Aaron and said, “Pray to the LORD to take the frogs away from me and my people, and I will let your people go to offer sacrifices to the LORD.”
Exodus 8:7-9 (in Context) Exodus 8 (Whole Chapter)
Exodus 8:9
Moses said to Pharaoh, “I leave to you the honor of setting the time for me to pray for you and your officials and your people that you and your houses may be rid of the frogs, except for those that remain in the Nile.”
Exodus 8:8-10 (in Context) Exodus 8 (Whole Chapter)
The above are examples of praying to God in the Old testament. Now note how we are taught to pray in the New Testament
in my prayers at all times; and I pray that now at last by God’s will the way may be opened for me to come to you.
Romans 1:9-11 (in Context) Romans 1 (Whole Chapter)
2 Corinthians 1:11
as you help us by your prayers. Then many will give thanks on our behalf for the gracious favor granted us in answer to the prayers of many.
2 Corinthians 1:10-12 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 1 (Whole Chapter)
2 Corinthians 9:14
And in their prayers for you their hearts will go out to you, because of the surpassing grace God has given you.
2 Corinthians 9:13-15 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 9 (Whole Chapter)
Ephesians 1:16
I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers.
Ephesians 1:15-17 (in Context) Ephesians 1 (Whole Chapter)
Ephesians 6:18
And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.
Ephesians 6:17-19 (in Context) Ephesians 6 (Whole Chapter)
Philippians 1:4
In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy
Philippians 1:3-5 (in Context) Philippians 1 (Whole Chapter)
Philippians 1:19
Yes, and I will continue to rejoice, for I know that through your prayers and the help given by the Spirit of Jesus Christ, what has happened to me will turn out for my deliverance.
Philippians 1:18-20 (in Context) Philippians 1 (Whole Chapter)
1 Thessalonians 1:2
Thanksgiving for the Thessalonians’ Faith ] We always thank God for all of you, mentioning you in our prayers.
1 Thessalonians 1:1-3 (in Context) 1 Thessalonians 1 (Whole Chapter)
1 Timothy 2:1
Instructions on Worship ] I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone—
1 Timothy 2:1-3 (in Context) 1 Timothy 2 (Whole Chapter)
2 Timothy 1:3
Encouragement to Be Faithful ] I thank God, whom I serve, as my forefathers did, with a clear conscience, as night and day I constantly remember you in my prayers.
2 Timothy 1:2-4 (in Context) 2 Timothy 1 (Whole Chapter)
Philemon 1:4
Thanksgiving and Prayer ] I always thank my God as I remember you in my prayers,
Philemon 1:3-5 (in Context) Philemon 1 (Whole Chapter)
See in the above they prayed to Lord,God never to a person who worked for God. Afterall he is the supreme and there is none like him.This whole earth thing is not to make other Gods but to be a relashionship with the one true God. P.S. These are only some scriptures on prayer to view them all search biblegateway.com and enter “pray” and or “prayers”
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Elric
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Thats what I thought after re-reading your post a couple of times. Hind sight is such a wonderful thing.Yes, I think you misunderstood me. I actually agree with everything you have said. My comments were intended to fortify your position.
Nohome
Sorry. ):
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Nohome
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No offence taken so an apology is not necessary. I believe your opinions on this issue are well reasoned and informed. We need a few million like minded Catholics to demand more from the clergy.Sorry.
Nohome
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childofmary1143
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My sincerest apologies for that unspeakable tragedy. I would agree that these “sexperts” are not a valid defense for a Bishop say from the 80s and on.Regrettably, yes. Memebers of my own family were abused.
Nohome
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Nohome
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No apology necessary as you are not culpable in the matter.My sincerest apologies for that unspeakable tragedy. I would agree that these “sexperts” are not a valid defense for a Bishop say from the 80s and on.
Why qualify this defense with dates? Did the Bishops not know that it was a crime to rape children before 1980? I believe they listened to these fools because they wanted to believe there was a neat, quiet way out of this mess. What arrogance to think that because they worked for “a higher authority” that they were not subject to civil law.
Nohome
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jman507
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I would say that these “experts” don’t take away culpability from the bishops, but they too were culpable in the matter. They not only seemly gave advice that didn’t work, but helped to enable the harm to go on longer. Goodness with experts like this, you might as well just go ask John Doe on the street what he thinks should happen, chances are it would be better advice.
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Nohome
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If there are situations where the Church received advice not to report pervert priests to the authorities, I would agree that they are culpable. Even then, the Bishops should have known better.I would say that these “experts” don’t take away culpability from the bishops, but they too were culpable in the matter.
In the end what any of us thinks is moot. If those involved do not see the error in their way and do not beg for God’s mercy, they will have all of eternity to contemplate such things in hell.
Nohome
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bones_IV
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The gay culture is to blame here.
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jman507
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Well, if they don’t see the error of their ways, then they wouldn’t have technically have committed a mortal sin. They might be in hell, but not for errors of which they were ignorant.If there are situations where the Church received advice not to report pervert priests to the authorities, I would agree that they are culpable. Even then, the Bishops should have known better.
In the end what any of us thinks is moot. If those involved do not see the error in their way and do not beg for God’s mercy, they will have all of eternity to contemplate such things in hell.
Nohome
Thing is it is one thing for someone to do this sort of act, it is another for those in authority to not take the proper intervention to keep this from happening. I’d hold bishops as well as the experts, once they knew their interventions were not working in equal contempt – they are the ones in charge of the situations and have the best knowledge to protect the innocent.
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Elric
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???The gay culture is to blame here.
Could you please elaborate on that statement?
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francesco920
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The vast majority of abuse comitted by the pedophile priests was against boys.???
Could you please elaborate on that statement?
I think bones was implying there is a link between the gay agenda, the “sexperts,” and pedophilia…although I’ll let bones explain for himself.
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bones_IV
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A lot of it was the fact that many of these seminarians weren’t screened before they were admitted! Many of them had deep rooted homosexual tendencies and were let in. And many of the good orthodox men were scared away. You wonder why we have such a shortage in priests today? Those priests who did molest young children should have been removed from ministry right then and there. But due to the fact we’ve had a generation of evil Bishops that didn’t happen.The vast majority of abuse comitted by the pedophile priests was against boys.
I think bones was implying there is a link between the gay agenda, the “sexperts,” and pedophilia…although I’ll let bones explain for himself.
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Elric
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You do realise that homosexuality and paedophillia are not related?
Paedophiles can be hetrosexual or homosexual.
Besides that, you cant blame a culture for priests making the choice to molest children and others chosing to conceal this crime.
Paedophiles can be hetrosexual or homosexual.
Besides that, you cant blame a culture for priests making the choice to molest children and others chosing to conceal this crime.
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bones_IV
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Excuse me but a priest having an affair with a boy is a homosexual relationship. Why try and cover it up?You do realise that homosexuality and paedophillia are not related?
Paedophiles can be hetrosexual or homosexual.
Besides that, you cant blame a culture for priests making the choice to molest children and others chosing to conceal this crime.
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Palladio
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I know from a close friend, a RC priest, who is outspoken that absolutely the homosexualisation of the seminaries and of the priesthood in recent decades frightened straight and orthodox priests from the seminary.A lot of it was the fact that many of these seminarians weren’t screened before they were admitted! Many of them had deep rooted homosexual tendencies and were let in. And many of the good orthodox men were scared away. You wonder why we have such a shortage in priests today? Those priests who did molest young children should have been removed from ministry right then and there. But due to the fact we’ve had a generation of evil Bishops that didn’t happen.
I studied with a seminarian before he was to go to the NAC in Rome who, understanding we were friends, told me he was gay, as was his lover, also going to the NAC.
All the same to me in that a. I was out of the church at the time b. he was a terrific young man.
Now, back in the RCC, I cannot help but think he found refuge in the seminary for a lifestyle the RCC Herself cannot but condemn.
Long out of touch, I pray he has found peace, and God’s forgiveness.
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Palladio
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Apparently (I’ve not read the thread), there is a huge difference between pedophilia (same sex or otherwise) and the rest, although all of it is unspeakably evil.Excuse me but a priest having an affair with a boy is a homosexual relationship. Why try and cover it up?
I thought the RCC was coming to terms along these lines and that literature (from outside the Church) makes that distinction, irrespective of the scandal.
God bless.
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Elric
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No, its a paedophille relationship.Excuse me but a priest having an affair with a boy is a homosexual relationship. Why try and cover it up?
What exactly am I trying to cover up?
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bones_IV
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The fact they’re both males makes it a homosexual relationship.No, its a paedophille relationship.
What exactly am I trying to cover up?
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bones_IV
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Tell that to the man who wrote the book “Goodbye Good Men”.Apparently (I’ve not read the thread), there is a huge difference between pedophilia (same sex or otherwise) and the rest, although all of it is unspeakably evil.
I thought the RCC was coming to terms along these lines and that literature (from outside the Church) makes that distinction, irrespective of the scandal.
God bless.
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