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Let’s say I commit suicide. What would God do? Would I go to hell (as I assume)?
 
Only God knows. Why? Because all you are giving is the bare fact, “Person X commits suicide”. We have no idea if person X is mentally ill (and thus, lacks the capacity to fully understand or fully consent to the deed); we have no idea if person X repents at the last second before death. So just to know that a person killed himself or herself, we could not possibly know if the person was saved after all. So one should pray for those who have done this and not despair that they might have repented in time, been forgiven, and enjoy life with Christ now forever.
 
StrawberryJam said:
Your mental state at the time is a consideration I would hope is taken into account.
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What if it’s pre-meditated? The “mental state” factor precludes consideration that the suicidal person may be sufficiently cognizant of the act being committed. Ergo, overdoses almost always fail but other methods, when pre-meditated and carefully planned ahead of time, do succeed. What else besides mental state?
 
havana1 said:
What if it’s pre-meditated? The “mental state” factor precludes consideration that the suicidal person may be sufficiently cognizant of the act being committed. Ergo, overdoses almost always fail but other methods, when pre-meditated and carefully planned ahead of time, do succeed. What else besides mental state?
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Either way it depends upon mental state. Impaired or otherwise.
If the mental state was not impaired, we are looking at specific situations. None are described here to comment on though.
 
Well, a wise man once said that suicide is painless, it brings on many changes, and you can take or leave it if you please.

However, once chosen, it rather closes off future choices.

Best not to.

I hold the view that suicide is a fundamentally irrational act, and thus is unlikely to be committed by someone entirely in their right mind.

Regards,
Pahoran
 
VetA said:
i would hope you are not actually considering it…
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Those were my thoughts as well. I just did not feel as if I should verbalize that, but now you made me realize that I have a moral obligation to verbalize it.

To the OP, I hope you are able to make it clear to us all, if this is a hypothetical senario or not.

You realize that, many people here are concerned about the topic and do need to know if alerts need to be made. Please reply.
 
Makarios said:
Let’s say I commit suicide. What would God do? Would I go to hell (as I assume)?
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First off, like others have said, I REALLY hope you aren’t considering this IRL, and this post is a cry for help. If it is, please seek help immediately from someone.

In response to your question, I think G.K. Chesterton put it best.

Under the lengthening shadow of Ibsen, an argument arose whether it was not a very nice thing to murder one’s self. Grave moderns told us that we must not even say “poor fellow,” of a man who had blown his brains out, since he was an enviable person, and had only blown them out because of their exceptional excellence. Mr. William Archer even suggested that in the golden age there would be penny-in-the-slot machines, by which a man could kill himself for a penny. In all this I found myself utterly hostile to many who called themselves liberal and humane. Not only is suicide a sin, it is the sin. It is the ultimate and absolute evil, the refusal to take an interest in existence, the refusal to take the oath of loyalty to life. The man who kills a man, kills a man. The man who kills himself, kills all men; as far as he is concerned he wipes out the world. His act is worse (symbolically considered) than any rape or dynamite outrage. For it destroys all buildings; it insults all women. The thief is satisfied with diamonds; but the suicide is not: that is his crime. He cannot be bribed, even by the blazing stones of the Celestial City. The thief compliments the things he steals, if not the owner of them. But the suicide insults everything on earth by not stealing it. He defiles every flower by refusing to live for its sake. There is not a tiny creature in the cosmos at whom his death is not a sneer. When a man hangs himself on a tree, the leaves might fall off in anger and the birds fly away in fury: for each has received a personal affront. Of course there may be pathetic emotional excuses for the act. There often are for rape, and there almost always are for dynamite. But if it comes to clear ideas and the intelligent meanings of things, then there is much more rational and philosophic truth in the burial of the crossroads and the stake driven through the body, than in Mr. Archer’s suicidal automatic machines. There is a meaning in burying the suicide apart. The man’s crime is different from other crimes - for it makes even crimes impossible. Orthodoxy, Chapter V]
 
I’m just wondering. I wouldn’t dare do it. I would, but I believe in God and I fear the consequences. I’m just fed up with things. I’m not suicidal, but I’m wishing for something else.

I don’t know.
 
Makarios said:
I’m just wondering. I wouldn’t dare do it. I would, but I believe in God and I fear the consequences. I’m just fed up with things. I’m not suicidal, but I’m wishing for something else.

I don’t know.
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I’ve felt the same way. Then I realized everything is the result of God’s will, and His will never fails and with His plans for me, neither will I. 🙂
 
Makarios said:
I’m just wondering. I wouldn’t dare do it. I would, but I believe in God and I fear the consequences. I’m just fed up with things. I’m not suicidal, but I’m wishing for something else.

I don’t know.
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The very fact you say you would but dont dare to, is worrying Makarios. It’s pefectly normal to feel fed up, want a change, feel a bit jaded with it all, but that’s always a passing phase, and usually something will happen to lift one out of this phase… everyone exoeriences this kind of things several times in a lifetime, it’s normal. But if the phase is extended, and appears to have no relief, would you consider talking to someone? A spouse, family member, counseller, even drop someone here a pm, or drop me a pm if you like. Either way, just know having a feeling of being fed up is perfectly normal, even if things seem to be going well. But if you want to talk to someone, please do, rather than feel you’re on your own.
 
Makarios said:
I’m just wondering. I wouldn’t dare do it. I would, but I believe in God and I fear the consequences. I’m just fed up with things. I’m not suicidal, but I’m wishing for something else.

I don’t know.
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Then please forgive me the light-hearted tone of my answer. I saw the “RCIA-bound” under your name and assumed it was a “research” type question.

If you are having these sorts of feelings, and if it seems like you are having them a lot, then you should talk to someone about it. Preferably a trained, professional someone. Depressed feelings may arise from a particular situation you may be in; if so, situtations change. Hang in there, it will get better. But if those feelings are persistent and pervasive, there may be an underlying medical condition which would respond to treatment.

You’ll be in my prayers.

Regards,
Pahoran
 
Pahoran said:
I hold the view that suicide is a fundamentally irrational act, and thus is unlikely to be committed by someone entirely in their right mind.
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I disagree. That’s basically saying that nobody can ever be held responsible for committing sucide so it’s never a sin. Being upset or sad over something, like being found out in some sort of white-collar crime or something, does not constitute an “excuse” for suicide. Sometimes people determine rationally that it is easier to end their lives than to face the future. Cowardice is not mental illness.

In any individual case except one’s own, it is fine to assume charitably that the person was of unsound mind, or alternatively that they repented at the last minute.

However, in one’s own case, you have to assume that you would go to Hell.

The problem for a lot of people these days is that society teaches them to expect that it is normal to be happy on earth, at least most of the time. That is a relatively new idea. So if they’re not happy most of the time, people have not only the burden of the unhappiness, but also the burden of feeling “abnormal” or possibly the feeling that they have been cheated of the happiness that is their due. Or alternatively that all unhappiness, if persistent, is a mental illness rather than a natural response to circumstances. These burdens increase depression rates, and possibly suicide rates.

They need to be told that there are a whole lot of people out there who are on the whole more unhappy than happy, and that they can turn to God for true joy (which is not the same as happiness) on earth, and in innocent pleasures, like a good book or a run with the dog, for moments of content. Also, that happiness may come later, especially if it is not expected. And in the meantime, do what your granny told you (if she was Catholic): Offer it up. 🙂

–Jen
 
I hate to be a wet blanket, but I have reported this thread and have asked the mods to lock it.
To the OP-
I did this because I feel you need to talk to someone now.
 
Makarios said:
I’m just wondering. I wouldn’t dare do it. I would, but I believe in God and I fear the consequences. I’m just fed up with things. I’m not suicidal, but I’m wishing for something else.

I don’t know.
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praying for you, life may be dealing you a bad hand, but you should pray for God’s help
 
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