I’m not sure if you were directing the post at me, but either way I wanted to respond.
Because God loves the Jews so much, how can I not do the same? The Arabs and Islam are a world threat. And yes, the Holy Land belongs to Jews. The Arabs are trespassers.
Here is the parodox I have never been able to resolve concering evangelicals support of Israel. They are supporting a people they are convinced are going to hell. I believe , given this, their support is based more on their belief the nation of Israel is necessary to bring about their version of end times , not out of any love for the Jewsih people themsleves.
It’s a broad statement to say that evangelicals think they are going to hell. I was never taught anything about their salvation, whether yea or nay. Through every Baptist church I was a part of, the Jewish people and Israel were revered because:
That land belonged to Israel way before the Arabs. They were taking back what rightfully belonged to them.
I realize it is a secular state, but at least in that part of the world they are the only ones who listen to reason. Perhaps one day that secular state will become a religious one.
Again, that land was decreed to the Jews by God himself. No man-made power has the right to make it different. It was by God’s providence was shown through the six-day war. I believe that number was signficant.
The Arabs came later. Israel was given that land. Arabs took it. Israel takes it back. They were given the promised land and no one else should have it. Yes, I agree with your description of them. The owners of my company are Jewish and treated me well and with respect even though the company is very large.
Every evangelical I have ever talked to takes it as a core doctrine that unless one accepts Jesus Christ as their personal savior they are going to hell. That would tend to exclude all jews from salvation. Am I incorrect in what Evangelicals believe?
Many lands in the world have changed hands. The Celts once ruled Britain, the Native Americans ruled N America, and so forth. Just because the Jews once ruled Israel, and it was recorded in the Bible, I don’t think gives them rights forever.
I found a website that seems to clear this up from the standpoint of most evangelicals. It’s a quiet belief that Jews need to accept Jesus as the Messiah, while not aggressively seeking their conversion.
So what? That is not excuse, even if it was completely true. Jewish settlers were mobilizing for war even before the UN mandate and official independance. Not to mention, even forming the state of Israel was a defacto declaration of war against the Arab states in the region, who retaliated based on justified concerned.
And so what if they do? It is still very little, so i have every right to be unsatisfied. Just look at the horrible relations between the Israeli government and the Vatican. Or the recent bonfires of Books of Gospels organized by the Israelis.
God loves the Jews? Yes, because he loves everybody. But the covenant that was Judaism was fulfilled. THE CHURCH is God’s new chosen people. Jesus satisfied, fulfilled, and ended Judaism. Christians are God’s people.
And before them, it was controlled by phoenecians. Lets revive phoenicia! Long live Phoenicia!
Why would we want a jewish religious state any more than we would want a religious Islamic state. In many ways, Islam is even less heretical that Judaism! Besides, your assertion that Israel is the lone voice of reason in the region is ridiculous; there are arab countries there which are truly “western” and modern. But contemporary western values are ridiculous values to establish a society on anyways.
Did you learn the full story of the burning of the NTs?
Could you give some more information on that? I believe that there is a new Israel and it has nothing to do with bloodlines or geography, is this not Catholic teaching? What did JP2 have to say about this? Thanks in advance.
First of all, that is a belief of our Church. We believe that Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant, Judaism, and began the new covenant. The Lord opened up his Church to all, Jews and Gentiles. Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, so all jews should have followed him into the Church. Unfortunately, many did not. I’m sure there is a special place for them in God’s heart, but I’m also sure he wishes they would join his Church.
You can hold those beliefs all you want, but they are not solving anything.
I hope you dont really mean this?
(I’ve been guilty of shooting off emails or post responses I didn’t really mean and have regretted). I’m a Jew who believes in Christ as the Messiah (call me a Christian or a Jewish believer, I’m not a label person). To me, this book burning was hauntingly reminicent of book burnings in Germany. There is never really any excuse for burning another’s holy scriptures - its not a Jewish, or Christian, thing to do.Hello Sepharad,
I actually work more in volunteer exit counseling…helping Jews who want to return to Judaism from other faiths. But countermissionary work is something I also do, as the need arises.I hope you dont really mean this?
I understand, from your other posts, that you are a Jewish antimissionary - I respect your right to expound your views, share your literature and engage in respectful debate. I’m happy to do the same - and maye be we can learn from each other?
Blessings,
Brian