The 9/11 hijackers were operating with the financial and material support of the Saudi royal family and the Supreme Court ruled that a case couldn’t be brought against them because they have soveirgn immunity.
If they could be shown to be employees of the government then the soveirgn immunity would not have applied. When I was in college my uncle was the president of his city council and occasionally gave me money. That doesn’t prove I was an employee of his city government.
If he also had hired and had the ability to fire you then it would.
If he also had hired and had the authority to fire you then it would.
My post that you’re quoting was an analogy to your statement that Saudi royalty had given money to 9/11 hijackers and how that relates to the exceptions to the foreign immunity act.
Foreign countries have been sued in US courts already.
We live in an extremely Catholic-hostile world now. It is not the ‘Vatican that has lost respect;’ it is the thugs, Scribes and Pharisees who have shown their true face.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/28/majority-catholic-supreme_n_627846.html
WASHINGTON (AP)-- The Supreme Court won’t stop a lawsuit that accuses the Vatican of conspiring with U.S. church officials to transfer a priest from city to city despite repeated accusations that the clergyman sexually abused young people.
The high court Monday refused to hear an appeal from the Vatican, a decision that allows the lawsuit to move forward. No one has ever successfully sued the Vatican over sex abuse by clergy.
I wonder what this will mean for the Vatican in the long run? With this decision and raid on the Belgium archdiocese, it appears that the Vatican has lost some of its respect in the world. It seems the recent scandals exposing the decades long sex abuse cases and the silence of the Church to protect the Church’s image and its priest has instead tarnish the image of the Church among secular society. Does anyone feel that God is judging the Church? Scripture teaches judgment always begins first in the House of the Lord. Is this the third secret of Fatima being fulfilled?
Maybe the Bishops should have considered the consequences before engaging in an international conspiracy to hide sexual abuse.
You cannot sue a foreign nation, diplomatic immunity. However, Church officials and others should be prosecuted. What they did was wrong, and anyone trying to protect them is crazy. I am actually for trials into ALL of these abuse cases. It will show how many are just people trying to make money, or get popular.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/28/majority-catholic-supreme_n_627846.html
WASHINGTON (AP)-- The Supreme Court won’t stop a lawsuit that accuses the Vatican of conspiring with U.S. church officials to transfer a priest from city to city despite repeated accusations that the clergyman sexually abused young people.
The high court Monday refused to hear an appeal from the Vatican, a decision that allows the lawsuit to move forward. No one has ever successfully sued the Vatican over sex abuse by clergy.
I wonder what this will mean for the Vatican in the long run? With this decision and raid on the Belgium archdiocese, it appears that the Vatican has lost some of its respect in the world. It seems the recent scandals exposing the decades long sex abuse cases and the silence of the Church to protect the Church’s image and its priest has instead tarnish the image of the Church among secular society. Does anyone feel that God is judging the Church? Scripture teaches judgment always begins first in the House of the Lord. Is this the third secret of Fatima being fulfilled?
The question is not can the Priests and the Church be held responsible. The question is who pays the damages? The Plaintiff in this case wants more money han the Diocese has-he wants to go after the Vatican for the remainder of his damages. If the Priest was an employee of the Vatican he has a case but i think proving a Diocesan Priest is an employee of the Vatican will be impossoible to prove
As previously noted, that it not entirely true. There are exceptions to the foreign sovereign immunities act. Iran has been sued and there are judgments against it in the billions of dollars in US courts. And a few weeks ago the Supreme Court rejected Somilia’s former prime minister’s claim of diplomatic immunity.
Hey, atleast the US government hasn’t raided any diocesan offices or broken into any deceased bishops’ tombs like Belgium has.
Not necessarily. To claim that bishops are employees of the Pope, you need to show that the Pope can control the work being done by the bishops. If the Vatican merely “hires and fires” bishops and sets goals, but the bishops are free to accomplish those goals however they want, the bishops would be independent contractors.
Secular priests make wovs of obedience to their bishop and a bishop has the right to suspend a priest in his diocese and excommunicate. This means that a bishop can fire a priest. Priests from relegious orders make vows to a Master of the order.I have very limited knowledge in canon law but a background in Human Resource Management in Law. The Church can say priest is not an employee of the Vatican but I don’t how that is a strong argument legally, since priest have to take a vow of obedience to the Magisterialium of the Church including accepting all dogma and truth and no priest cannot be removed or excommunicated without an ecclesiastical trial and final approval must come from the Vatican. If this assumption is true, then direct control to be obedient and perform to the doctrines of the Church would assume a relationship has been established. Correct if I am wrong on canon law, as I said I have very little knowledge in this field.
If I was arguing for the Church, I would make the distinction between spiritual obedience and administrative obedience. While the pope is the spiritual leader of the Church (and bishops), the bishops independently run the administrative aspects of their diocese.If this assumption is true, then direct control to be obedient and perform to the doctrines of the Church would assume a relationship has been established. Correct if I am wrong on canon law, as I said I have very little knowledge in this field.
And the Vatican can remove both a Bishop and Priest. Ultimately, the Vatican is in charge; not the Bishop.