Supreme Court gives Obama second big health care win in ruling upholding nationwide subsidies

[openmind77]

I am sure He will as well, because He never told His followers to take others property. To point to Him as a justification for taking from people- either their neighbors, or their children, or their grandchildren.

I’m assuming if you’re in the US you can come up with the 56K for each individual in your household as your share of the debt? Plus the 298K each for unfunded obligations.

If you’re a taxpayer, your share is actually triple that— and don’t forget you’ll also have to pay for some of the folks who can’t pay. So, a couple of million?

I can’t afford that— why is it ok to expect future generations to pay it for me? Is that what Jesus wants-- me to expect future generations to pay for my good intentions?

I don’t think anyone is taking your property. If you think taxation is taking property (the US rates are amongst the lowest in the developed world) then perhaps you would be happier living in the Cayman islands.

As for being able to afford it, most European countries and Canada manage it, do we need to send someone to Germany to learn how?

Taking care of the poor, sick, hungry, strangers is exactly what Jesus taught and he did not put any conditions on doing so - it has to be done regardless (Matthew 25:31-46)

 

[Al_Moritz]

Excellent, I am sure Jesus will buy this explanation when he returns. He is sure to say to himself - ‘I should have thought of all these issues before I telling people to take care of the poor, sick, hungry and strangers. Next time, I will tell them to balance the budget first’.

I love it how, as a non-Christian, you expose the fallacies in the attitude of some of my fellow Catholics.

 

[unstoppable_II]

I think it goes both ways, depending on the service. I’ve been told if you live along the Canadian or Mexican borders it’s common to buy medications in those countries as being cheaper than in the US.

I’m talking about when you need to have your belly cut.

There is a lady in my HOA who lives in Yuma most of the year. She walks across the border for dental care which is a fraction of what it costs on the US side. One reason is they take only cash. I think it’s possible for obamacare to play out with American doctors opening offices on the Mexico side to take care of American patients.

 

[styrgwillidar]

I love it how, as a non-Christian, you expose the fallacies in the attitude of some of my fellow Catholics.

So— I should take my neighbors stuff, sell it and give it to charity?

It amazes me that somehow taking things from others, when we use the excuse of it’s the government to do it, is Christian. Particularly— when it is to give this generation things with money we don’t have and must take from future generations.

It’s not being charitable at all, I don’t consider it a Christian act to lay a burden on someone else, in this case future generations, and claim I’ve done something virtuous. How is my giving away OPM (other people’s money) some kind of creditable action?

 

[Path_Finder]

I love it how, as a non-Christian, you expose the fallacies in the attitude of some of my fellow Catholics.

And on the other hand, this program could be a real lemon with death panels. I doubt if Jesus would think high of that.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Two wars were not funded by the GOP Congress and they cost taxpayers trillions and created anarchy in the ME.

Jim

Actually, your friend Obama created the anarchy. That’s not just my opinion, it is the opinion of his own Secretary of Defense, CIA chief, DIA, military commanders, Sunni tribal leaders, Kurds and most Shiites.

But never fear, despite Obama’s reneging on getting out of Afghanistan, he is out of Iraq and will never go back other than sneaking 3500 troops there in increments with orders not to engage. He has made it clear that his successor will have to deal with a Middle East (and perhaps more) in flames.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I don’t think anyone is taking your property. If you think taxation is taking property (the US rates are amongst the lowest in the developed world) then perhaps you would be happier living in the Cayman islands.

As for being able to afford it, most European countries and Canada manage it, do we need to send someone to Germany to learn how?

Taking care of the poor, sick, hungry, strangers is exactly what Jesus taught and he did not put any conditions on doing so - it has to be done regardless (Matthew 25:31-46)

Most of the “single payer” countries have two or more tiers to their systems. There is the “Medicaid” level of care that the government pays for, and then there is the “high end” that people pay for themselves or with insurance they paid for themselves.

 

[Al_Moritz]

So— I should take my neighbors stuff, sell it and give it to charity?

It amazes me that somehow taking things from others, when we use the excuse of it’s the government to do it, is Christian. Particularly— when it is to give this generation things with money we don’t have and must take from future generations.

It’s not being charitable at all, I don’t consider it a Christian act to lay a burden on someone else, in this case future generations, and claim I’ve done something virtuous. How is my giving away OPM (other people’s money) some kind of creditable action?

Pope, church leaders call for guaranteed health care for all people

*Pope Benedict XVI and other church leaders said it was the moral responsibility of nations to guarantee access to health care for all of their citizens, regardless of social and economic status or their ability to pay.

Access to adequate medical attention, the pope said in a written message Nov. 18, was one of the “inalienable rights” of man.*

 

[JButky]

Pope, church leaders call for guaranteed health care for all people

*Pope Benedict XVI and other church leaders said it was the moral responsibility of nations to guarantee access to health care for all of their citizens, regardless of social and economic status or their ability to pay.

Access to adequate medical attention, the pope said in a written message Nov. 18, was one of the “inalienable rights” of man.*

I guess I need to quote myself, because you must have missed it.

“Health care as a human right yes, but not health insurance as a right, imposed by a government. Obamacare is NOT about giving people healthcare, it’s about giving people insurance. Let’s not forget…”

 

[zz912]

So I ask you again, do you think I worship mammon and want the poor to die and rot? Do you think that this is a charitable comment?

Ishii

I’ve received a two week vacation for less. Course I’m not advocating for him to get banned.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

But it isn’t. It just keeps a dying system on life-support all the longer, when it should be put out of it’s misery–or allowed to die a long-overdue death.

As long as powerful people are making a profit (and they always will) it will not die. But the vulnerable will.

 

[unstoppable_II]

… with orders not to engage. …

Sounds like the Bill Cosby routine where rules of engagement are determined like a football game:

Okay Captain Sitting Bull of the Indians meet Captain Custer of the Army. Captain Custer meet Captain Sitting Bull. (They shake hands.) You call the toss there, Captain Sitting Bull. Okay, Sitting Bull called tails; it is tails. You lose the toss, Captain Custer. What you going to do Captain Sitting Bull? Okay Captain Custer, Capt. Sitting Bull says that you and your men must wait in a circle at the bottom of this hill while he and all the Indians in the world ride right down on you.

 

[Al_Moritz]

I guess I need to quote myself, because you must have missed it.

“Health care as a human right yes, but not health insurance as a right, imposed by a government. Obamacare is NOT about giving people healthcare, it’s about giving people insurance. Let’s not forget…”

Without proper health insurance there is mostly no proper healthcare.That’s how it usually works in our modern societies…

 

[zz912]

I don’t think anyone is taking your property. If you think taxation is taking property (the US rates are amongst the lowest in the developed world) then perhaps you would be happier living in the Cayman islands.

When you add up local, city, state and federal taxation, some people are paying over 65% tax rates.

As for being able to afford it, most European countries and Canada manage it, do we need to send someone to Germany to learn how?

You may be unaware, but Europe is imploding slowly over their ridiculous govt programs. They have reached the end of the rope, and can’t borrow any more money.

Taking care of the poor, sick, hungry, strangers is exactly what Jesus taught and he did not put any conditions on doing so - it has to be done regardless (Matthew 25:31-46)

So Jesus instructed us to use the power of the govt to forcibly take money from others to pay for the health insurance of the poor?

 

[JButky]

Without proper health insurance there is mostly no proper healthcare.That’s how it usually works in our modern societies…

Nonsense, I used to be able to pay for my healthcare or for someone in need, or do charity locally. Obamacare makes that illegal. It certainly is difficult, Impossible to my mind, to reconcile Obamacare with long established Catholic social teaching. Subsidiarity, charity, etc. which are completely disrespected by Obamacare…

 

[Sy_Noe]

So, if you ever need open heart surgery, you will be going to Brazil for the quality of care?

No. Some individuals on CAF are going to pay for it right here in the good ol’ US of A. The check for tens of thousands of dollars is in the mail I suppose as we speak.

 

[Ridgerunner]

No. Some individuals on CAF are going to pay for it right here in the good ol’ US of A.

Or have someone else pay for it. I’m put to mind of a doctor friend who remarked that the thing most wrong with healthcare nowadays is that “…everybody expends so much effort trying to make somebody else pay for it.”

 

[Al_Moritz]

Nonsense, I used to be able to pay for my healthcare or for someone in need, or do charity locally.

And what if you need catastrophic care, once or over a period of time, that would otherwise make you bankrupt, and which happened so many times in this country? You need insurance, period.

Or do you want to let people die if they can’t afford it?

Sure, some healthcare is overblown and should not be paid by society, but reasonable help in health catastrophes or care for special diseases should be available to anyone. Otherwise we are an inhumane society.

 

[ishii]

Pope, church leaders call for guaranteed health care for all people

*Pope Benedict XVI and other church leaders said it was the moral responsibility of nations to guarantee access to health care for all of their citizens, regardless of social and economic status or their ability to pay.

Access to adequate medical attention, the pope said in a written message Nov. 18, was one of the “inalienable rights” of man.*

Notice the holy father did not say to provide healthcare for those who don’t have it by revamping the entire healthcare system and institute single payer for all. You are simply twisting the pope’s words to fit your ideological agenda.

Ishii

 

[Al_Moritz]

Notice the holy father did not say to provide healthcare for those who don’t have it by revamping the entire healthcare system and institute single payer for all. You are simply twisting the pope’s words to fit your ideological agenda.

Ishii

See my above post.