Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

[He_Man]

If they were trying to run a “dupe,” they didn’t do a very good job. I was aware before ACA was ever passed that there would be a tax on those who opted out, and I didn’t have a problem with it, and never tried to say it wasn’t a tax.

Well, there’s one. Now, what about the entire administration, and numerous others on here no less who have repeatedly said otherwise?

 

[Dawnia]

Where did you read that?

No clue…I’ve read so much on this dang law I’m lucky I remember my name.

 

[Joe_5859]

So let me get this straight- everyone is angry becaue the law says that people must be responsible and purchase medical insurance or be taxed to pay for the medical services that they will use.

I thought personal responsibility was a good thing? I thought people didn’t want their money going to others who should be paying for their own things? After all, nobody seems to like their money going to people on welfare, right? Why does everyone want to continue to pay for other people’s health care in the form of higher costs for services?

I can’t speak for everyone who is angry o), but while personal responsibility is indeed a good thing, legislating personal responsibility is quite another matter. I’m sure there are all sorts of things that would be responsible (putting 5% of your paycheck into retirement, putting another 5% into a college savings account for the kids, putting another 5% into a savings account for home improvement costs, using coupons and only buying generic, going out to eat no more than once per month, etc., etc.). But I would very much not want to see the government get into micromanaging personal responsibility.

 

[ComputerGeek25]

I can’t speak for everyone who is angry o), but while personal responsibility is indeed a good thing, legislating personal responsibility is quite another matter. I’m sure there are all sorts of things that would be responsible (putting 5% of your paycheck into retirement, putting another 5% into a college savings account for the kids, putting another 5% into a savings account for home improvement costs, using coupons and only buying generic, going out to eat no more than once per month, etc., etc.). But I would very much not want to see the government get into micromanaging personal responsibility.

This is a well thought out response.

 

[ringil]

We have much more education in schools, and more free publicly available information to the entire public than ever, and yet people are more sedentary and eating worse.

While there are plenty of reasons people continue to spend inordinate amounts of time on the couch and/or consume super-sized meals, I don’t believe any of them are “because they don’t know it’s unhealthy.”

I can partially agree with you here. Perhaps we aren’t hitting them the right way?

It’s complex. I do believe that, with research, we can find a way to get the tenets of prevention across.

The US could look to other nations and see what they are doing right and perhaps learn from this.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

I can partially agree with you here. Perhaps we aren’t hitting them the right way?

It’s complex. I do believe that, with research, we can find a way to get the tenets of prevention across.

The US could look to other nations and see what they are doing right and perhaps learn from this.

Won’t happen until we all adopt the Mediterranean diet (seriously)

 

[seekerz]

This is a well thought out response.

Yeah. Except when personal responsibility impinges on the rights of other people to not have to meet your uncovered health expenses.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

We have much more education in schools, and more free publicly available information to the entire public than ever, and yet people are more sedentary and eating worse.

While there are plenty of reasons people continue to spend inordinate amounts of time on the couch and/or consume super-sized meals, I don’t believe any of them are “because they don’t know it’s unhealthy.”

Don’t worry. With the Obamacare precedent, the government can now tax sloth, laziness, and obesity.

 

[He_Man]

Yeah. Except when personal responsibility impinges on the rights of other people to not have to meet your uncovered health expenses.

But you are advocating forcing others to meet your uncovered health expenses by covering them via yor own funding? That makes no sense.

 

[ComputerGeek25]

Yeah. Except when personal responsibility impinges on the rights of other people to not have to meet your uncovered health expenses.

 

[austenbosten]

Romney has raised $1.5 million dollars, 13500 plus donations since Supreme Court decision

twitter.com/andreamsaul/status/218412390948155394

I just donated $10 to the Romney 2012 campaign. I never donated to any campaign and I really don’t have any money to donate, but my country and Constitution is far more important to me than ten dollars.

I will pray to God every night from now on that He guides Mitt Romney, gives him strength, give him guidance and wisdom and give him victory in November.

 

[_Abyssinia]

PALIN: RISE UP AGAINST OBAMACARE, THE LARGEST TAX HIKE IN HISTORY

breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/28/palin-statement-obamacare
Is The Mandate Really a Tax?

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=32387
RE: Is The Mandate Really a Tax?

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=32402
Three quick thoughts on the health care ruling

dailycaller.com/2012/06/28/three-quick-thoughts-on-the-health-care-ruling
OBAMACARE DECISION MEANS WE NEED A CONSERVATIVE CONGRESS

breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/28/Health-Care-Decision-Means-We-Need-A-Conservative-Congress-More-Than-Ever
OBAMA DOES NOT SAY ‘TAX’ ONCE IN RESPONSE TO SCOTUS RULING

breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/28/Obama-Does-Not-Say-Tax-Once-In-Response-To-SCOTUS-Ruling

I said he would not mention it. Obama knows acknowledging it as what it is, a tax, will be unpopular
Speaker Boehner Statement on the Supreme Court’s Health Care Ruling

speaker.gov/press-release/speaker-boehner-statement-supreme-court-s-health-care-ruling
LEGAL SCHOLAR RANDY BARNETT: SCOTUS REWROTE THE LAW TO MAKE IT A TAX, THROWING IT INTO THE POLITICAL PROCESS

breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/28/Legal-Scholar-Randy-Barnett-SCOTUS-Rewrote-the-Law-to-Make-it-a-Tax-Throwing-it-Into-the-Political-Process
McConnell, Cantor renew promise to repeal Obamacare

dailycaller.com/2012/06/28/mcconnell-cantor-renew-promise-to-repeal-obamacare
RELEASE: Catholic Vote Critical in Quest to Repeal Obamacare

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=32390
Why The Supreme Court Decision on Obamacare May Dramatically Increase the Deficit

forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/06/28/why-the-supreme-court-decision-on-obamacare-may-dramatically-increase-the-deficit
Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas, and Alito Dissent: 'We Cannot Rewrite the Statute to Be What It Is Not’

weeklystandard.com/blogs/scalia-kennedy-thomas-and-alito-dissent-we-cannot-rewrite-statute-be-what-it-not_647952.html

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

Political solutions to lack of charity? Are you serious? Charity is going to keep health care costs from bankrupting hardworking, responsible people who simply had the temerity to be human and susceptible to illness?

Thanks for proving my point. You don’t beleive in charity, you believe in coercion by the state to “solve problems.”

Thus are the lines drawn.

 

[gnjsdad]

Nonsense. We cannot have conversion without liberty

Tell that to the Romans, whose slaves, with no liberty, converted en masse!

I think Cardinal Dolan and the other Bishops were hoping the USSC would do them a big favor today.

Religious liberty fails as a strategy because those who control the levers of power in America (and it ain’t us Catholics) are using religious liberty grounds to argue FOR the contraception/sterilization funding in the mandate.

 

[Seeker1961]

I can’t speak for everyone who is angry o), but while personal responsibility is indeed a good thing, legislating personal responsibility is quite another matter. I’m sure there are all sorts of things that would be responsible (putting 5% of your paycheck into retirement, putting another 5% into a college savings account for the kids, putting another 5% into a savings account for home improvement costs, using coupons and only buying generic, going out to eat no more than once per month, etc., etc.). But I would very much not want to see the government get into micromanaging personal responsibility.

I just don’t understand how the same people who scream and carry on about having to pay for other people’s welfare checks see paying for their healthcare as something different. Or is that because they don’t really see the higher costs in their insurance or their medical bills they don’t realize they’re paying for them?

When I had surgery and called my hospital to question charges on the bill they told me they charged me more because I was insured to make up for those who weren’t. I was told “you’re not paying it, why do you care how much it costs?”. Well I did care, why should I or my insurance company pay more?

 

[He_Man]

I actually care a great deal about the unborn and am pro-LIFE. However, I also care about the plight of the poor and disenfranchised in society which (since we’re generalizing already ) Republicans IMO don’t seem to care about. I am NOT pro-business. I am pro-people. This bill isn’t perfect but it is a huge step forward for poor uninsured and underinsured people.

So, Democrats sponsor abortion measures and protections - clearly do not care about the rights of the unborn.

Republicans propose meausres that don’t seem to care about the poor.

Yes, that makes sense.

 

[masondoggy]

Romney has raised $1.5 million dollars, 13500 plus donations since Supreme Court decision

twitter.com/andreamsaul/status/218412390948155394

Wow.

This is good news but we all can’t forget that we also have to fund local campaigns. We can elect Romney all we want but we still need the votes in Congress to overturn this law.

 

[ricks1948]

I can’t speak for everyone who is angry o), but while personal responsibility is indeed a good thing, legislating personal responsibility is quite another matter. I’m sure there are all sorts of things that would be responsible (putting 5% of your paycheck into retirement, putting another 5% into a college savings account for the kids, putting another 5% into a savings account for home improvement costs, using coupons and only buying generic, going out to eat no more than once per month, etc., etc.). But I would very much not want to see the government get into micromanaging personal responsibility.

Exactly, that why its being called a “nanny state”

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I can’t speak for everyone who is angry o), but while personal responsibility is indeed a good thing, legislating personal responsibility is quite another matter. I’m sure there are all sorts of things that would be responsible (putting 5% of your paycheck into retirement, putting another 5% into a college savings account for the kids, putting another 5% into a savings account for home improvement costs, using coupons and only buying generic, going out to eat no more than once per month, etc., etc.). But I would very much not want to see the government get into micromanaging personal responsibility.

If someone believes that mandating behavior or face penalties is a good thing, they should just admit that they are fascist and are pro-slavery. I know lots of people are going to be offended by that comment and will report me, but when you use the power of the state to mandate behavior, you are by that very virtue eliminating their liberty. Since this precedent is so far reaching, there is literally nothing that the government cannot tell you what you can and cannot do. We are now all slaves to the federal government.

 

[_Abyssinia]

I just donated $10 to the Romney 2012 campaign. I never donated to any campaign and I really don’t have any money to donate, but my country and Constitution is far more important to me than ten dollars.

I will pray to God every night from now on that He guides Mitt Romney, gives him strength, give him guidance and wisdom and give him victory in November.

God Bless you