Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

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JimR-OCDS said:
Your out of touch. When people lose their jobs, they lose their health insurance unless they can afford to pay the COBRA payments. Mine were $1400 per month. I couldn’t afford it, but thankfully, I have Romney Care.

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Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the accuracy of the numbers he posted. As sad aside, but not sure why you quoted him.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Yeah, I have Romney Care, you know, by the man who’s running against Obama.

Thank God I have it too. Lost my job last year and my COBRA payments were $1400 per month. Now, it’s $232 and the coverage is great.

Thank You Governor Romney. 🙂

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How does that work, and does it cover your whole family?
 
Thanks to this ruling, I will be able to buy insurance with my pre-existing condition, which was not the result of poor lifestyle choices. I don’t have to petition the state to be in their pool any longer. Tell ME I don’t deserve charity…
 
Ya… you mean the ppl that don’t want insurance now have to buy… I will not pay the tax. Also… .you have all the uninsured that couldn’t afford to begin now have to buy becuz they are just above the cutoff. Thanks alot.
seekerz said:
What an astute observation…you can’t guarantee decisions by cherry-picking justices or pouring money into political campaigns of candidates who promise such cherry-picking. The most we have control over, is what we believe and what we do.

That being said, let me congratulate the uninsured of America on the day their cry was heard…
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Heavy_Cross said:
Thanks to this ruling, I will be able to buy insurance with my pre-existing condition, which was not the result of poor lifestyle choices. I don’t have to petition the state to be in their pool any longer. Tell ME I don’t deserve charity…
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It’s not charity at all. You are buying it.
 
Now i have to pay for you… when i can barley survive… thanks alot.
Heavy_Cross said:
Thanks to this ruling, I will be able to buy insurance with my pre-existing condition, which was not the result of poor lifestyle choices. I don’t have to petition the state to be in their pool any longer. Tell ME I don’t deserve charity…
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seekerz said:
Where was charity when people were suffering from lack of care or getting bankrupted trying to access it? And don’t tell me they were forced out from providing free care by the government, unless you have the historical evidence to counter mine…
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Where indeed? We both agree that there is insufficent charity.

Where we diverge is that you have given up on charity and turned to power wheras I recognize that the worship of power is the antithesis of charity.
Seriously, Christians fighting over their ‘right’ to give charitably instead of to be taxed! THAT, THAT is more important a topic than the real needs of real people who suffer?
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Indeed, yes, the buildilng of a just (i.e. charitable) society takes precedence over the imposition of solutions by force.

We already know what happens when force is substituted for charity: people, both rich and poor, assume that the state will do for them what they ought to have done for themselves.

Here is a bumper sticker for your car: “I gave at the voting booth.”
 
To all those who support the SC ruling:

Do you believe the ends justifies the means?
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
Not surprisingly you speak out of both sides of your mouth. In one paragraph you assert that we don’t care enbough about the poor to make things right and then assert that by state coercion we will correct this and make things right.

The only question is whether we can ever achieve a just society when so many are willing to reach for the expedience of power over charity.
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Hillary Clinton once railed during her own health control fiasco that she had no sympathy for "undercapitalized businesses". I'd bet my last dollar that Seekerz never ran a private business, just as Hillary never did. Only the clueless can make such claims. 
 The argument comes down to this: It is easy to pick away at flaws in our medical system, some of which were CAUSED by government regulations and programs. But exactly WHO wrote this damnable 2700 page leviathan? Not doctors, nurses or other caretakers. To the best of my knowledge, these people were completely shut out. Bureaucrats with degrees but NO practical experience did. There were no hearings, no real debate. This is a fiasco that will bring America to its knees, and turn us into a tumultuous cesspool.  Roberts and the four other hopeless anti-Constitutionalists are disgraces for upholding this nightmarish dictate. :nope: Rob
 
Heavy_Cross said:
Thanks to this ruling, I will be able to buy insurance with my pre-existing condition, which was not the result of poor lifestyle choices. I don’t have to petition the state to be in their pool any longer. Tell ME I don’t deserve charity…
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How does one deserve charity? Charity I though was a gift freely given, without obligations. Deserves implies something owed? Are you a democrat?
 
Heavy_Cross said:
Thanks to this ruling, I will be able to buy insurance with my pre-existing condition, which was not the result of poor lifestyle choices. I don’t have to petition the state to be in their pool any longer. Tell ME I don’t deserve charity…
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No one says health care does not need reform, but selling the US citizen’s right to be free from regulatory compulsion down the drain and saddling our children with a broken economy for your pre-existing condition is fair to you?

Government imposed healthcare does not equal charity.
Charity has a double effect on the giver and the receiver.
Compulsion has a double effect on the prison guard and the inmate.

This is compulsion and it is not holy. It is the fruit of placing human beings’ worth extrinsically instead of intrinsically. It is the fruit of the american people willfully electing the most pro infanticide President this nation has had.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Yes it is confusing. But Obama said it was not a tax, as did other Obama officials.
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This is the point I’m confused on. Unless my memory is fuzzy (could very well be:o) The Obama lawyers kept changing their terminology on whether or not this would be a “tax” or a “fine or penalty”. I would think if I’m correct, the SC would have to go on what THEIR decision ended up to be. I would suppose that they have the right to determine how it actually WOULD BE Constitutional, and call it a tax and not a penalty or fine? It’s all a little fuzzy, BUT…at least now you would think the Administration absolutely COULD NOT call it anything but a MASSIVE TAX. The SC says it is a TAX, and that’s how it has to stand.
 
Heavy_Cross said:
Tell ME I don’t deserve charity…
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You don’t “deserve” charity if, by that, you are claiming a right to take by force.

You do deserve charity in the sense that nobody ought to stand between you and a chartible giver. But who is doing that exactly?
 
Heavy_Cross said:
Thanks to this ruling, I will be able to buy insurance with my pre-existing condition, which was not the result of poor lifestyle choices. I don’t have to petition the state to be in their pool any longer. Tell ME I don’t deserve charity…
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Regarding Pre-Existing Conditions Insurance Plan (PCIP), Obama admin said as many as 129 million people, as many as one in two Americans could suffer from pre existing conditions. Of these people Medicare predicted 375000 would enrolled on. is at 15% of that estimate with 56,257 enrollees. This was after more people were encouraged to participate when premiums were lowered.

Does not seem people are very interested in this coverage through ObamaCare.

Report by the admin also found the price for PCIP plan is 2.5 time more expensive per person than originally estimated.

In May The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) ended a program that offered $100 incentive to insurance agents and broken for recommending eligible people Pre-Existing Conditions Insurance Plan (PCIP) in ObamaCare.

Senior director of federal government affairs for the Independent Insurance Agents & Brokers of America, said, ‘They just said enrollment’s up to where we want it to be, basically, and we don’t need your services anymore.’

huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/27/pre-existing-condition-insurance-plan-pcip_n_1460409.html

I read a story about somebody’s friend who died, the friend had health coverage through his employer, but last year his employer unable to afford the rising premiums had to cancel the insurance. Friend got ill, did not go to the doctor because he could not afford it and died.

Romney said in his speech reacting to the Supreme court decision that those will pre existing conditions will be able to be insured and keep their insurance. You do not have to have a federal ObamaTax health system to make sure those with pre existing conditions can get insurance.
 
Jeffrey said:
Now i have to pay for you… when i can barley survive… thanks alot.
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You won’t be paying much if you’re barely surviving. You probably won’t be paying anything at all if you are that broke.
 
RACJ said:
This is a fiasco that will bring America to its knees, and turn us into a tumultuous cesspool.
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Sadly, it is just another straw on the camel’s back, albeit larger than most.
 
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