Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

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Agreed. ppl are using the ER as a doctors office. IMO one of the bigger problems.
ComputerGeek25 said:
How about people pay out of pocket for annual checkups and only get coverage for catastrophic things?

One of the reasons health care is so complicated and expensive is that we expect a 3rd party to pay for every time we go to the doctor (or worse, the ER) with the sniffles.
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Jeffrey said:
Nope… we are above the cutoff by a few thousand ( Net income… like 8k gross ). It depends on how much overtime is worked that year etc.
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Still paying much less than me. Is it hard to understand that people act according to their conscience and not for their self-interest?
 
Don’t voters get the right to vote on tax increases ? Or is that only local and/or state level ?
irishpatrick said:
It is not just those points. The actual law was found unconstitutional as it stood. It took creative legislating by Justice Roberts to turn a mandate into a tax. So, the left has told many lies and created many deceptions to get their tax, and the SC most definitely just legislated from the bench.

Every single American should be concerned that a Chief Justice ignored what the law said, and instead told us what the law will now say and mean. If the law was allowed to stand on its own merirs–the entire thing would have been tossed.

The ends justifies the means for many–I suppose. 😦
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seekerz said:
No, I’m not oblivious to anything, neither - happily - is the SC. Choosing to live in a civilized society means we cannot simply accept that a person must pay or suffer and die. If they refuse care fine, but the reality is that when illness strikes, most people regardless of prior ideology want to be helped.
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You support the most** pro abortion** president in history and when he conscripts the US Catholic to his agenda under the canard of universal healthcare, you wag your head and tut tut the people that they don’t want to care for the sick. Obama needs to hire you as his Prime Minister of Propaganda.

Tell that line to the slaughtered children and slaughtered death Obama has been exporting by promoting abortion around the world. And now with his health care agenda by regulatory fiat.
 
Dunno… $650 a month is kinda high i think. Just hope it doesn’t go up too much more. 😦
Heavy_Cross said:
Still paying much less than me. Is it hard to understand that people act according to their conscience and not for their self-interest?
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RACJ said:
HC, you will technically get “coverage”, but you will wait in unimaginable lines. My dad and MIL both needed bypasses, and received theirs immediately. Nowhere else in the world would they have been saved. Rapid response will soon be regarded as part of the good old days. BTW,I sympathize with your problem, but layers of bureaucracy and 16000 IRS agents are not the cure. This, and thousands more issues would have been brought up in hearings. That’s why there were no hearings, just a thuggish fiat. It’s time Americans all saw through this imperial Obama-scam. ROB
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Thuggish fiat. Words to label this awful time.
 
Heavy_Cross said:
Promoting abortion? Since when is restricted choice equal to promotion.
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Legalizing blatant evil is the promulgation and promotion of evil.
Paying for that evil through tax dollars is the promotion of that evil.

Planned Parenthood’s Annual Report: Got $487.4M in Tax Money
 
‘If Obama wins reelection, it means massive abortion subsidies & the lives of millions @ risk thru systematic gov-imposed rationing’ - National Right To life Committee
 
This has never been about health care.NO ONE in this country is denied health care. It is about health insurance. There are other ways to correct this issue,such as allowing citizens to shop across state lines,tort reform,etc. I agree that something needs to change,but this is not the change we need:(
 
Jeanne_S said:
This has never been about health care.NO ONE in this country is denied health care. It is about health insurance. There are other ways to correct this issue,such as allowing citizens to shop across state lines,tort reform,etc. I agree that something needs to change,but this is not the change we need:(
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But when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
 
Sabotaged by the pro-lifers again. No discussion is complete by saying everyone for Obama is evil without regard to his other policies.
 
Jeanne_S said:
This has never been about health care.NO ONE in this country is denied health care. It is about health insurance. There are other ways to correct this issue,such as allowing citizens to shop across state lines,tort reform,etc. I agree that something needs to change,but this is not the change we need:(
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Then what was this about?
 
Heavy_Cross said:
Sabotaged by the pro-lifers again. No discussion is complete by saying everyone for Obama is evil without regard to his other policies.
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Just out of curiosity, which Obama policy, in your opinion, compensates for the baby holocaust?
 
Heavy_Cross said:
Sabotaged by the pro-lifers again. No discussion is complete by saying everyone for Obama is evil without regard to his other policies.
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The right to life is the basis for all other rights. It is astounding to me that many people choose to ignore this fact.
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
Just out of curiosity, which Obama policy, in your opinion, compensates for the baby holocaust?
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Does the other pro-death penalty and war party justify your vote because they save unborn life? It’s not just one issue. Stop using “babies” its incorrect and sensational.
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
The SC did not rule on whether Obamacare advanced or impeded a just society. It ruled on whether it was unconstitutional and found, by 5-4, that the penalty could be treated as a tax.

Whether socialism is civilized it is certainly not just.

Most people, regardless of their ideology, recognize the difference between charity and coercion.
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Most people recognize the difference between charity and weasling out of it too.

BTW, if you don’t believe that the decision does not reflect the judges’ social views/ideologies, I have a bridge in Alaska you might be interested in…
 
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