Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

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Romney can’t repeal a law which Congress enacted.

Besides, just as when he was governor of Massachusetts, he knows that something had to be done, and he’ll either keep it the same, or modify it to make it better.

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Romney can repeal ObamaTax by executive waivers, repeal though budget reconciliation because it is a tax or Congress can get rid of it.

Romney has described his plans for health care and it does not describe a plan for a federal mandate, and why he would bother to go with that when it is unpopular
 
Yeah, just think of all the people that could have been helped by the millions of dollars Romney collected today!
No doubt that vexes you.

Obviously a lot of people realize that Romney is the only hope of stopping the drift to socialism. I’ll leave it to others to speculate on the electoral implications but Romeny’s handlers are probably very pleased with this decision.

Every injustice is an opportunity for redemption.
 
I doubt that… driving is a privilege not a right… unless they change that.
A true victory for the American people! Though I do find Robert’s reasoning behind his rejection of the Commerce Clause argument to be bizarre. Expect challenges against car insurance mandates based on his logic.
 
A minor point here- abortion rates were at their highest during the late 80’s-to 1990, and then the rates begin to decrease up to 2008. National Right to Life shows data from 2009-2011 as the same as 2008, so they apparently are not saying that abortions have increased under Obama. It may be fun and popular to say that they have, but apparently not accurate.
 
HOW will the burden be shared? You obviously didn’t read my post. We don’t qualify for the free insurance. We have to pay for our own insurance out of pocket. Are you going to send me a check every month to help me pay for it?

Don’t avoid the question. HOW am I going to be better off?
You aren’t. People like you were the REASON this law was supposed to be passed and it winds up that people like you are the most HURT by this law. :mad:
 
I doubt that… driving is a privilege not a right… unless they change that.
The point Roberts made was that the State doesn’t have the Constitutional authority to compel commerce even if the affected persons are engaging in directly linked transactions. The fact that driving is a privilege doesn’t change that. I don’t believe his line of logic is sound on this issue but it is the standard by which such things will be judged moving forward. Just because you possess a body that will inevitably require medical care doesn’t mean that the State can compel you to purchase medical insurance. Likewise, just because you possess a car and will inevitably drive it does not mean that the State can compel you to purchase car insurance.
 
A minor point here- abortion rates were at their highest during the late 80’s-to 1990, and then the rates begin to decrease up to 2008. National Right to Life shows data from 2009-2011 as the same as 2008, so they apparently are not saying that abortions have increased under Obama. It may be fun and popular to say that they have, but apparently not accurate.
I am not sure if the abortion rate has declined in the last 3 years.

80 pro life laws were passed last year. Pro life laws lower the abortion rate.

How would you know the abortion would not of increased under Obama because he rescinded many pro life laws enacted by George Bush, but declined due to pro life state laws?
 
To the lawyers on this thread,

I am NOT a lawyer, so help me out, please.

How can Chief Justice Roberts decide to legislate from the bench as he just did?

The law specified a mandate, not a tax–yet Roberts changed the law to “tax.” How can he do that? Seriously, how?

I am confused because this is what Roberts said about the mandate:


“The power to regulate commerce presupposes the existence of commercial activity to be regulated. . . . The individual mandate, however, does not regulate existing commercial activity. It instead compels individuals to become active in commerce by purchasing a product, on the ground that their failure to do so affects interstate commerce. Construing the Commerce Clause to permit Congress to regulate individuals precisely because they are doing nothing would open a new and potentially vast domain to congressional authority. . . . Allowing Congress to justify federal regulation by pointing to the effect of inaction on commerce would bring countless decisions an individual could potentially make within the scope of federal regulation, and — under the government’s theory — empower Congress to make those decisions for him.”​

So, it would seem Roberts understood that the mandate was unconstituional, so he took it upon himself to change the law. How can he constitutionally do that?

[btw, it would also seem that Roberts gave a huge nod to states rights in that quote]
 
No doubt that vexes you.

Obviously a lot of people realize that Romney is the only hope of stopping the drift to socialism. I’ll leave it to others to speculate on the electoral implications but Romeny’s handlers are probably very pleased with this decision.

Every injustice is an opportunity for redemption.
As I said in the part you chose NOT to include, I do NOT believe that Romney is in any way a sure bet to repeal or even change this law. As such, I am concerned that much of that money may be wasted-and that would “vex” me when there are so many better uses for it. We have an empty food pantry at our church that needs filling. 🙂
 
As I said in the part you chose NOT to include, I do NOT believe that Romney is in any way a sure bet to repeal or even change this law. As such, I am concerned that much of that money may be wasted-and that would “vex” me when there are so many better uses for it. We have an empty food pantry at our church that needs filling. 🙂
Obama is a sure bet not to.
 
The point Roberts made was that the State doesn’t have the Constitutional authority to compel commerce even if the affected persons are engaging in directly linked transactions. The fact that driving is a privilege doesn’t change that.
It would be helpful if you provided the quote of Roberts, so we can see exactly what you are referring to.
 
HOW will the burden be shared? You obviously didn’t read my post. We don’t qualify for the free insurance. We have to pay for our own insurance out of pocket. Are you going to send me a check every month to help me pay for it?

Don’t avoid the question. HOW am I going to be better off?
Well, in theory you could get insurance from the exchanges that may be priced lower than what you pay otherwise.
 
I am not sure if the abortion rate has declined in the last 3 years.

80 pro life laws were passed last year. Pro life laws lower the abortion rate.

How would you know the abortion would not of increased under Obama because he rescinded many pro life laws enacted by George Bush, but declined due to pro life state laws?
I’m going with the National Right to Life’s data and they show 2008-2011 as flat-no increase, no decrease. I would assume that they would have been following such things rather closely.
 
The law specified a mandate, not a tax–yet Roberts changed the law to “tax.” How can he do that? Seriously, how?
He didn’t legislate from the bench and the taxation argument is explained in the decision. Playing semantics over what to call it does not change the fundamental nature of what it actually is and what it is, is a tax. A percentage based on income and paid to the IRS under existing tax code regulations.
 
It would be helpful if you provided the quote of Roberts, so we can see exactly what you are referring to.
“The power to regulate commerce presupposes the existence of commercial activity to be regulated. . . . The individual mandate, however, does not regulate existing commercial activity. It instead compels individuals to become active in commerce by purchasing a product, on the ground that their failure to do so affects interstate commerce. Construing the Commerce Clause to permit Congress to regulate individuals precisely because they are doing nothing would open a new and potentially vast domain to congressional authority. . . . Allowing Congress to justify federal regulation by pointing to the effect of inaction on commerce would bring countless decisions an individual could potentially make within the scope of federal regulation, and — under the government’s theory — empower Congress to make those decisions for him.” *
 
I think Obamacare is an abomination but, eventually, we will end up with a single payer system and, essentially, completely socialized medicine. We can cry about it and worry about it, but it’s coming, just like homosexual “marriage” is coming.

As to funding, the only equitable way I can see is a tax on something everybody uses or consumes. Say a 10% federal sales tax on food. Then everybody pays to play and the guy who goes to the ER for a sore toe can afford to go to his doc instead because he’s got insurance, ultimately insurance costs (not provider costs) are lower because everybody is funding.

They have a nice deal like this in Austria. You pay a social service fee of 46% off the top of every Euro of income (you pay income tax on what’s left). I think that’s a dandy deal, that’s why Austria is the world leader in schnitzel and not much else.
 
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