Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

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scipio337 said:
In a federalist republic, such powers are afforded to the states.

You might be advised to read the US Constitution, particularly the 10th Amendment.

I’ve heard the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea has a great universal care system, and actually provides a chicken in every pot!
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Progressive tyrannists could care less about the Constitution. They want the power to dictate the terms of your life, because you aren’t smart enough to make your own decisions.
 
markomalley said:
Sorry, but helping people was not what this law was all about. Extending federal control and enslavement was the law’s purpose.

It was a massive success.

Again, sorry.
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mark, Sorry to diagree with you. Our healthcare in the USA was in a state of chaos. Having allowed the various players to essentially write their own rules. WE were left with an incredibily expensive, unfair, and often corrupt system. Not unlike another mess I could mention.

Employers, the largest payer for healthcare insurance. Were at the end of their rope. Look how fast they are Jettisoning healthcare plans for employees now. Not to mention Retirees. The folks most in need of affordable healthcare.

Now, you protest the solution. You complain about “Federal control”. You should have complained, and protested the problem.

Control beats Chaos everytime.
 
Mickey_Finn said:
mark, Sorry to diagree with you. Our healthcare in the USA was in a state of chaos. Having allowed the various players to essentially write their own rules. WE were left with an incredibily expensive, unfair, and often corrupt system. Not unlike another mess I could mention.

Employers, the largest payer for healthcare insurance. Were at the end of their rope. Look how fast they are Jettisoning healthcare plans for employees now. Not to mention Retirees. The folks most in need of affordable healthcare.

Now, you protest the solution. You complain about “Federal control”. You should have complained, and protested the problem.

Control beats Chaos everytime.
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So you are saying that you want to take power away from greedy, corrupt business people and put it in the hands of greedy, corrupt politicians. Sounds…idiotic.
 
scipio337 said:
In a federalist republic, such powers are afforded to the states.

You might be advised to read the US Constitution, particularly the 10th Amendment.

I’ve heard the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea has a great universal care system, and actually provides a chicken in every pot!
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Oh, I guess I missed the part where Romney was a “Federalist minded” pol. :rolleyes:

I think I hear your kettle boiling.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
So you are saying that you want to take power away from greedy, corrupt business people and put it in the hands of greedy, corrupt politicians. Sounds…idiotic.
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We are not going to agree on government programs. I think SSI is a success, as it pays millions of senior citizens, and allows them to live with dignity. You think… What is it you think again?

ATB
 
scipio337 said:
In a federalist republic, such powers are afforded to the states.

You might be advised to read the US Constitution, particularly the 10th Amendment.

I’ve heard the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea has a great universal care system, and actually provides a chicken in every pot!
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The problem being that there is only one pot in all of North Korea, and it sits in Kim Jong-un’s house.
 
Viki63 said:
I think the question we should ask ourselves now is, what value do health insurance companies provide for the consumer?
Obamacare is a big windfall for the insurance companies. But calling the fine a tax is good: people will get tossed out of their healthplans at work, they won’t be able to afford insurance,. they will pay a tax to avoid it. Then we will see that health insurance companies don’t do anything to help anyone, get rid of them, and pay for medical care from the taxes.
Everyone will save money and get better healthcare.
Now if we can just admit that abortion is not healthcare, we’ll be on the right path.
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The law mandates that companies which have more than 50 employees, must provide and pay for part of health insurance for their employees.

Those smaller companies that do stop providing health insurance, the employees will just purchase their own, which will most likely cost them less than what they’re currently being forced to pay by their employers.

A just talked to a friend who works at Home Depot. He has to pay $180 per week for his family health insurance. What a disgrace on Home Depot to provide such a lousy health insurance coverage to their employees.

Jim
 
Mickey_Finn said:
We are not going to agree on government programs. I think SSI is a success, as it pays millions of senior citizens, and allows them to live with dignity. You think… What is it you think again?

ATB
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Too bad SSI is going broke. Unless you consider that a success.
 
From the article cited:
“Obamacare is now essentially upheld. There’s only one way it can be overturned. The same way it was passed — elect a new president and a new Congress. That’s undoubtedly what Roberts is telling the nation: Your job, not mine. I won’t make it easy for you.”

If this is the case and if Roberts isn’t just backing down in the face of an angry socialist chief executive; then Roberts is defining the election. It is still an a abrogation of his own duty to up hold the law and the constitution as written. :mad:
 
scipio337 said:
As Scott pointed out, now that it is a “tax” it can be overturned in the Senate by simple majority vote, which no requirement for a filibuster breaking 60 votes.
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It can, but being the Senate modified the House version, stripping out the Government Option, they’ll not repeal it.

Jim
 
stevegravy said:
From the article cited:
“Obamacare is now essentially upheld. There’s only one way it can be overturned. The same way it was passed — elect a new president and a new Congress. That’s undoubtedly what Roberts is telling the nation: Your job, not mine. I won’t make it easy for you.”

If this is the case and if Roberts isn’t just backing down in the face of an angry socialist chief executive; then Roberts is defining the election. It is still an a abrogation of his own duty to up hold the law and the constitution as written. :mad:
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In fairness, he did make the case that the mandate written as a penalty is unconstitutional, but if interpretted as a tax, then it is constitutional. Now Obama has to go on record officially and defend the largest tax increase on the middle class in modern history.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
It can, but being the Senate modified the House version, stripping out the Government Option, they’ll not repeal it.

Jim
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Nope. All the Republicans have to do is win 51 seats in November and then repeal the mandate by reconciliation and its finished. I don’t even think they need Romney.
 
Mickey_Finn said:
All it needs is funding. Which we can certainly provide. The program itself, is a marvel.

ATB
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A marvelous example of the Tyranny of the Majority. I can’t wait until Romney and the Republican make it mandatory that every household own at least one firearm or pay a tax for non-compliance. I can’t wait to hear folks here screech about “government overreach”. I’ll simply refer them back to this thread.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
In fairness, he did make the case that the mandate written as a penalty is unconstitutional, but if interpretted as a tax, then it is constitutional. Now Obama has to go on record officially and defend the largest tax increase on the middle class in modern history.
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Disagree, Roberts already did that. Obama just has to do a victory lap, spike the football and beat his chest rerminding everyone he killed Osama.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Nope. All the Republicans have to do is win 51 seats in November and then repeal the mandate by reconciliation and its finished. I don’t even think they need Romney.
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I wouldn’t place a bet. But, taking 51 seats may be a tough order to fill. I would of course, love to see some major changes to the original Obamacare. But, some kind of program is certainly here to stay.

I think we’ll be the better for it.
 
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