Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

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I wouldn’t place a bet. But, taking 51 seats may be a tough order to fill. I would of course, love to see some major changes to the original Obamacare. But, some kind of program is certainly here to stay.

I think we’ll be the better for it.
Considering the heavy unpopularity of ObamaTax, it may not be as hard as you think, with 20 Democrats having to fight for seats. The GOP just has to win half of them and its game over. And some of those Democrats may not want to have their campaigns sullied by the fact that they are going around with the President who foisted the largest tax increase in modern history on the middle class…all in the name of fairness.
 
But I also realize Obama is going to take us to socialism as fast as he can.
And Romney, for whatever faults, is not going in that direction.
Last time I checked, both Obama and Romney were accepting contributions from Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, etc. I think we’ve gone past socialism.
 
Those who like the plantation
At least at the turn of the Civil War, the Democrats were openly pro-slavery. They just changed their criteria. They are against private slavery in favor of making all citizens slaves to the federal government.
 
A marvelous example of the Tyranny of the Majority. I can’t wait until Romney and the Republican make it mandatory that every household own at least one firearm or pay a tax for non-compliance. I can’t wait to hear folks here screech about “government overreach”. I’ll simply refer them back to this thread.
“Tyranny of the Majority.” Now you sound like the Wisconsin Democrats. :rolleyes: Actually, it’s tyranny of the masses.

If you want to continue to debate government intrusion into our lives. You’ll have to pick a topic besides guns.😉

ATB
 
Considering the heavy unpopularity of ObamaTax, it may not be as hard as you think, with 20 Democrats having to fight for seats. The GOP just has to win half of them and its game over. And some of those Democrats may not want to have their campaigns sullied by the fact that they are going around with the President who foisted the largest tax increase in modern history on the middle class…all in the name of fairness.
Thats why I wouldn’t place a bet.👍

ATB
 
Nope. All the Republicans have to do is win 51 seats in November and then repeal the mandate by reconciliation and its finished. I don’t even think they need Romney.
Scott, as I pointed out to you earlier, even the reconciliation has to be voted on by the House and signed by the President. Reconciliation may be used only once during a Senate term and deals with budgetary items only.

People seem to forget the Senate passed the main bill by a supermajority on Christmas Eve in 2009. The reconciliation came after the House approved the first Senate Bill and had to approve the reconciliation part of it later.
 
I can’t help but think in all of this that Justice Roberts sees something that I do not. I’m sure he’s a much smarter man than I am. I am very interested to see how this all plays out.
 
Scott, as I pointed out to you earlier, even the reconciliation has to be voted on by the House and signed by the President. Reconciliation may be used only once during a Senate term and deals with budgetary items only.
Considering it was passed by reconciliation, then repealing it by reconciliation is possible. reconciliation can only be used once PER YEAR. Since it hasn’t been used since 2010, its all good.
 
I can’t help but think in all of this that Justice Roberts sees something that I do not. I’m sure he’s a much smarter man than I am. I am very interested to see how this all plays out.
Maybe it’s me but I see a lot more forgiving in Justice Roberts than Stupak, who had been crucified back in 2010. Maybe it’s because the latter is a Democrat?
 
Last time I checked, both Obama and Romney were accepting contributions from Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, etc. I think we’ve gone past socialism.
Would we call that Corporatism? No, the word is Oligarchy. I think the Rockefeller’s, Astor’s, and Gould’s of the past. Would envy the power of our modern Banker-barons.
 
I can’t help but think in all of this that Justice Roberts sees something that I do not. I’m sure he’s a much smarter man than I am. I am very interested to see how this all plays out.
Only if a worm is a lion is a bear who is a man, for now a penalty is a tax because the IRS collects it. Oh Well……
 
Maybe it’s me but I see a lot more forgiving in Justice Roberts than Stupak, who had been crucified back in 2010. Maybe it’s because the latter is a Democrat?
Maybe Roberts sent a very clear message to the American electorate. Elections have consequences. If you vote for free piles of Obamacash, then what you may end up with is huge piles of Obamac**p.
 
Maybe Roberts sent a very clear message to the American electorate. Elections have consequences. If you vote for free piles of Obamacash, then what you may end up with is huge piles of Obamac**p.
Regardless he abrogated his responsibility to interpret the words in front of him and invented new meaning for words he had. No guts no glory. I think a braver individual in humility would have worked with the words he had and sent the law back to the legislature for rewriting. But, we moderns do not understand humility or bravery anymore then we understand charity verses coercion.
 
The law mandates that companies which have more than 50 employees, must provide and pay for part of health insurance for their employees.

Those smaller companies that do stop providing health insurance, the employees will just purchase their own, which will most likely cost them less than what they’re currently being forced to pay by their employers.

A just talked to a friend who works at Home Depot. He has to pay $180 per week for his family health insurance. What a disgrace on Home Depot to provide such a lousy health insurance coverage to their employees.

Jim
My company’s coverage is worse, but I take issue with two things you have said.

First, no one is forced to pay for insurance (until Obamacare). It is a benefit that is offered by a company, and the company pays part, in most cases.

Second, there is nothing “disgraceful” about Home Depot’s benefits. They may be worse than others offer, but that is something an employee weighs when taking a job. Maybe it is disgraceful that employers started offering such benefits, since it led to this incredible sense of entitlement. Now, a company is “disgraceful” for offering something no companies used to offer. 🤷
 
Considering it was passed by reconciliation, then repealing it by reconciliation is possible. reconciliation can only be used once PER YEAR. Since it hasn’t been used since 2010, its all good.
Ok, here’s the history.

House passed its own version of the bill in 2009.
Senate passed its own version of the bill Christmas Eve 2009 by a supermajority. That was the 2000+ pages they’re talking about.
Scott Brown elected in Feb, depriving the Senate of any more supermajorities in case they wanted to make any non-monetary adjustments to the bill or to include any House portions.
The House approved the Senate version in March, scrapping its own passed version. The President signed this bill.
The Senate made some monetary adjustments, using the reconciliation features. The Senate was prohibited in making any other changes to the bill.
The House passed the Senate reconciliation and then that went to the President to sign.

The provisions of the bill involving insurance company coverages, etc. couldn’t be changed directly by reconciliation but at least the tax and the tax credits and whatever other subsidies are there could be eliminated. I’m not sure the insurance companies would love this, though. Bloomberg TV might not be too happy either.
 
Oh, I guess I missed the part where Romney was a “Federalist minded” pol. :rolleyes:

I think I hear your kettle boiling.
He’s stated as much, repeatedly.

I’m assuming the proof of his diabolical plot to foist a Romneycare program on the entire country will be forthcoming?

The burden of proof is on you to prove a false positive, sir.
 
I wouldn’t place a bet. But, taking 51 seats may be a tough order to fill. I would of course, love to see some major changes to the original Obamacare. But, some kind of program is certainly here to stay.

I think we’ll be the better for it.
Did you miss the 2010 election?

I would place that bet, 7 days a week, and twice on Sunday.

What we now have is a couple of years old “entitlement” that will soon be considered a "right’.

How did we every prosper as a country for the previous 236 years without the right to “free” contraception?
 
From the article cited:
“Obamacare is now essentially upheld. There’s only one way it can be overturned. The same way it was passed — elect a new president and a new Congress. That’s undoubtedly what Roberts is telling the nation: Your job, not mine. I won’t make it easy for you.”

If this is the case and if Roberts isn’t just backing down in the face of an angry socialist chief executive; then Roberts is defining the election. It is still an a abrogation of his own duty to up hold the law and the constitution as written. :mad:
Roberts is following the Constitution in not making laws, but allowing Congress to do it.

Obama Care was passed by Congress and signed by the president, according to the design of our government.

For the court to over turn a law passed by Congress, it has to be “unconstitutional,” which in the case of Obama Care, the court ruled that it was Constitutional.

If we had Roberts on the Court during Roe V Wade, he would’ve sent it back to the states to decide. Unfortunately, we had a constructionist court back then

Jim
 
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