I agree, however, the issue is what if I don’t want to pay for the coverage that the HHS Mandates or want to pay out of pocket for services instead?
Doesn’t matter what the oral arguments are the law doesn’t have the word tax in it. It has the words penalty and mandate. To be fair to Roberts “Tax” is a Roberts invention.
John Roberts betrayed this country.
Only if the Republicans maintain their majority in the House and gain enough seats in the Senate. Otherwise, he’ll be in office struggling to make Obamacare work somehow as he did in Massachusetts.
It’s really not the same left-Right paradigm on the Supreme Court. Justices Scalia, Thomas (I’m still working on Alito) believe in Objectivism…meaning when they look at the Constitution they take it for as is, and if need be go back to the Founding Fathers to understand what their intentions were. Justices like Ginsberg, Kagan and Sotamayor view the Constitituion as a living document and can be changed on a whim to suit a certain policy for the “good” of the nation.
It was the Obama admin that claimed it was a tax. The Supreme Court agreed with them. (Not sure I agree with that, but I’m not in charge)
Well, I’m not a legal scholar, and I hate this outcome, but it does seem to me that when the government takes your money away from you, calling it a “tax” or a “penalty” is just a matter of the word one chooses to use. Either way, it’s the same thing.
Fair point. They specifically left the word “tax” out of the bill so to get Republicans to sign on to it, which they didn’t do.
Agreed.
Nothing like a little revisionist history. Even the founders thought the masses were morons.
Generally speaking, they were correct.
Yes, such is the wisdom of the 1,00 post limit. By the time we get there, we usually are just repeating ourselves.Anyway, this thread has exhausted itself and we’re only repeating our own arguments for or against the issue.
My position was supported by the SCOTUS ruling yesterday.
So I’ll ride off into the subject with a smile and a prayer.
I’m unsubscribing to the thread.
Jim
You are part of the mases.
I wasn’t aware you called the Health Care Affordability Act the biggest tax increase in world history.Anyway, this thread has exhausted itself and we’re only repeating our own arguments for or against the issue.
My position was supported by the SCOTUS ruling yesterday.
So I’ll ride off into the subject with a smile and a prayer.
I’m unsubscribing to the thread.
Jim
Which is why they restricted the vote. They did not believe in universal suffrage.
Had Roberts voted with the other 4 Justices (including Kennedy) the Commerce clause still would have been limited…John Roberts upheld ObamaTax as Constitutional on the most incoherent grounds.
All you have to do is go to some of the general anonymous forums to see the lack of intelligence/ignorance/sanity of the general population.
Everybody is trying to figure out why Justice Roberts rewrote the statute. Did he do it because he wanted to help Romney? Did he do it because he was swayed by those who said the court had become too political?
I’m going with the latter…Republicans or Conservatives have a tendency to let the Democrat-Media-Complex affect them and they vote Stalin in hopes of gaining their appeasement.