Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

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austenbosten said:
I’m going with the latter…Republicans or Conservatives have a tendency to let the Democrat-Media-Complex affect them and they vote Stalin in hopes of gaining their appeasement.
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Just speculating, but why does it always seem to be the conservative that cedes and never the liberal
 
Early polls of adults by SurveyUSA of adults in Florida, Kansas and California show majority opposition to Justice Robert’s ruling that it is constitutional, even split in liberal California.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Just speculating, but why does it always seem to be the conservative that cedes and never the liberal
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It does seem that way, sometimes. That’s one of the things that bothers me so much about the Health Care Plan. It was forced through on uni-partisan support alone. Back in 2008, I kept hearing about how Obama was going to be this big source for unity in America. If unity was a priority, it seems there would have been more of an effort to craft a bill that wasn’t so one-sided.

But what do I know; I’m not a President. 🤷
 
austenbosten said:
Had Roberts voted with the other 4 Justices (including Kennedy) the Commerce clause still would have been limited…John Roberts upheld ObamaTax as Constitutional on the most incoherent grounds.

I don’t have any literature, but Mark Levin is a Constitutional scholar and I think he NAILED IT on his show last night.

marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930#
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At the moment I don’t have audio on my computer. Can you summarize in a sentence or paragraph what his point was?
 
I don’t like the health care and Elisha it had been thrown out. Joervelr. I amused at the overeaction on both sides. The left acts as if Elijah returned on a fiery chariot and annointed Obama greatest president ever. The right acts as if we have been plunged into a Gulag ruled jointly by Hitler and Stalin

Much as I dislike he law. I think the Court has done us a favor We get to settle this ourselves The law was duly passed hy te Congress and can be duly rejected the same way. The election now comes down to one simple question. Do you want to keep the health care law?
 
_Abyssinia said:
Just speculating, but why does it always seem to be the conservative that cedes and never the liberal
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Because the liberals have something the Conservatives still don’t…Zealots. The Democrat party is dominated by fanatical Marxist zealots and if you don’t agree with them you are a racist, homophobe, Islamophobe, bigot, misogynist or worse…a Republican.

Look at how Joe Libermann who votes liberal 100% of the time…except for the war on Iraq, look at how he was crucified by the Left and labeled traitor.

The Republican Party is a big-tent (which is why I want to punch Jeb Bush when he keeps talking about making it an even bigger tent because at what point do Republicans become Democrat-lite…or Socialist because it’s clear Democrats are past the term Socialist)

ok went off a tangent…the 2012 Primary proved how big a tent the GOP is. We had a strong social-conservative Catholic, a Regan Catholic, a centrist Mormon, a Progressive liberal Mormon, a libertarian Southern Baptist, a Market-Liberal Southern Baptist, a Compassionate Conservative evangelical Christian, and a strong social-conservative Lutheran…we had a lot of people from different walks of life and different views…so it’s natural that several GOPers will side with the left, because we are not a closed party like the Democrats.

Now the big reason why many Conservatives jump left, is because look at all the media outlets. How many Conservative TV channels are there? Well you could argue Fox News, but is it Conservative in the same way MSNBC is? Not when you bring in guys like Bob Beckell, Shep Smith, Greta van Susteren, John Stossel (who I love, but he’s a libertarian). Remember they ended Glenn Beck’s contract to create a show with one conservative, a comedian who leans right, two or three women who are centrists but lean slightly right, and a guy with suspenders who puts Ed Schultz, Chris Matthews, and Larry O’Donnell to shame with his far-left wing Liberalism…

Just watch the movies, the television shows and the news networks…as well as the rest of the world and you will find being a Conservative is the equivalent of being a Christian in Nero’s Rome…you are not going to have a lot of friends and it can be tough to maintain you views in a world so hostile towards them.
 
austenbosten said:
Not as detailed as the audio…I’m sure Mark is working on an essay for this, but here’s a snippit.

http://www.facebook.com/notes/mark-levin/one-of-the-most-absurd-columns-ever-written-by-george-will/10150881959150946
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This is an interesting question now that will need to be adjudicated. The judging business is a good one to be in never an end to it. Set for life. It comes from one of the bloggers in the link.

Under equal taxing will the waivers be unconstitutional?
 
iamrefreshed said:
For less than $50 a month you can get health insurance in America.

People without health insurance today pay that for their cell phones.

This is all about government control.
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Where can you get health insurance for $50?
 
iamrefreshed said:
For less than $50 a month you can get health insurance in America.

People without health insurance today pay that for their cell phones.

This is all about government control.
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You mean for small pets right? Cuz that wouldn’t even cover the last puppy we had.
 
seekerz said:
Was that meant as a joke?
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Well in a way not as active….you don’t see conservatives defecating on police cars, smashing store fronts beating up cops shutting down ports wrecking private property all for the sake of social justice. Someday maybe but not right now.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Do not trust PolitiFact as the arbiter of political truth. PolitiFact claimed before that the Hyde amendment protects abortion from not being funding through ObamaCare which is not true because the money does not go through HHS appropriations so the Hyde amendment does not apply to ObamaCare. I exposed PoltiFact’s untruths

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9146695&postcount=327
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Don’t trust politifact, OK I get that.

But we should trust Breitbart, lifesitenews, Daily Mail?

Somethings not quite right there.
 
stevegravy said:
This is an interesting question now that will need to be adjudicated. The judging business is a good one to be in never an end to it. Set for life. It comes from one of the bloggers in the link.

Under equal taxing will the waivers be unconstitutional?
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Right, can you get a waiver from paying a mandatory tax?
 
_Abyssinia said:
Everybody is trying to figure out why Justice Roberts rewrote the statute. Did he do it because he wanted to help Romney? Did he do it because he was swayed by those who said the court had become too political?

May never know.
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Human beings are by nature unpredictable. Maybe Roberts decided to use his independent thought processes rather than bow to partisan politics - I for one applaud him and encourage others to emulate his example and resist becoming androids.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Just speculating, but why does it always seem to be the conservative that cedes and never the liberal
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Just because.
…Indeed, before and after the ruling, much of the journalistic and legal establishment argued that a 5–4 ruling to overturn Obamacare would be “political” because the majority would be comprised entirely of Republican appointees. But a 5–4 ruling to uphold Obamacare would be apolitical because, well, it just would be.
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nationalreview.com/articles/304363/roberts-s-ruling-took-guts-jonah-goldberg
 
seekerz said:
Human beings are by nature unpredictable. Maybe Roberts decided to use his independent thought processes rather than bow to partisan politics - I for one applaud him and encourage others to emulate his example and resist becoming androids.
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:rolleyes:
 
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