Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

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seekerz said:
Human beings are by nature unpredictable. Maybe Roberts decided to use his independent thought processes rather than bow to partisan politics - I for one applaud him and encourage others to emulate his example and resist becoming androids.
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Of course! And the other 4 who voted to uphold the law were obviously displaying their own independent thought an apolitical nature!
 
Joe_5859 said:
It does seem that way, sometimes. That’s one of the things that bothers me so much about the Health Care Plan. It was forced through on uni-partisan support alone. Back in 2008, I kept hearing about how Obama was going to be this big source for unity in America. If unity was a priority, it seems there would have been more of an effort to craft a bill that wasn’t so one-sided.

But what do I know; I’m not a President. 🤷
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How is the bill one-sided? Not sure I follow.
 
seekerz said:
Human beings are by nature unpredictable. Maybe Roberts decided to use his independent thought processes rather than bow to partisan politics - I for one applaud him and encourage others to emulate his example and resist becoming androids.
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Here is what Roberts did.
  1. He established the judicial precedent that the Congress cannot use the Commerce Clause nor the Right and Proper clause to punish people into certain behaviors.
  2. He established the judicial precedent that the court will interpret the plain meaning of a statute and not allow Congress to hide behind deceptive language.
  3. He established the precedent that the Congress can tax whatever they want.
  4. He established the principle that elections have consequences.
 
stevegravy said:
Well in a way not as active….you don’t see conservatives defecating on police cars, smashing store fronts beating up cops shutting down ports wrecking private property all for the sake of social justice. Someday maybe but not right now.
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You know people who do that? What KIND of company do you keep?
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Here is what Roberts did.
  1. He established the judicial precedent that the Congress cannot use the Commerce Clause nor the Right and Proper clause to punish people into certain behaviors.
  2. He established the judicial precedent that the court will interpret the plain meaning of a statute and not allow Congress to hide behind deceptive language.
  3. He established the precedent that the Congress can tax whatever they want.
  4. He established the principle that elections have consequences.
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As to numbers 3 and 4, I’m not sure those originated with Roberts. As to the rest, I’m sure people will be discussing and arguing this decision till the end of time, but happily, the uninsured will not have to wait that long to access health care. For that, I’m sure that very many of them thank Judge Roberts.
 
seekerz said:
You know people who do that? What KIND of company do you keep?
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I cannot believe memories are that short. I speak of the acolytes applauded and lauded by Pelosi, Obama, and let’s not forget Fauxahontas Warren who claimed to inspire the Occupied Crowed.
 
epan said:
I didn’t realize that the Phelps and Westboro, et al. were liberal.
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I’m not sure if “liberal” is an apt label, but…

He did run Democratic party primaries (and lost all). Democrat Governor of Kansas in 1990, 1994, and 1998, in the 1992 Democratic Party primary for U.S. Senate, and mayor of Topeka in 1993 and 1997.

Not to mention his support for former Vice President Al Gore’s presidency in the 1988 primary

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seekerz said:
As to numbers 3 and 4, I’m not sure those originated with Roberts. As to the rest, I’m sure people will be discussing and arguing this decision till the end of time, but happily, the uninsured will not have to wait that long to access health care. For that, I’m sure that very many of them thank Judge Roberts.
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Roberts didn’t do anything about access to healthcare. States already had laws in place forbidding healthcare facilities from refusing treatment on the basis of ability to pay. If someone didn’t get needed healthcare, its because they didn’t want it.
 
seekerz said:
As to numbers 3 and 4, I’m not sure those originated with Roberts. As to the rest, I’m sure people will be discussing and arguing this decision till the end of time, but happily, the uninsured will not have to wait that long to access health care. For that, I’m sure that very many of them thank Judge Roberts.
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There are underinsured/uninsured people who have posted on this thread saying that this bill will not help them.
 
ComputerGeek25 said:
You forgot MSNBC and The Huffington Post
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Well these are certainly biased but not so insane as the aforementioned.

In the same vein as your examplles should we not trust FOX then? Or is this “different”?

In my book there are more neutral sources, biased sources, and “crazy biased, conspiratorial biased”. I will give some attention to the first two- while keeping in mind what I am reading, while the last group seem largely useless as sources of informaiton.
 
ringil said:
Well these are certainly biased but not so insane as the aforementioned.

In the same vein as your examplles should we not trust FOX then? Or is this “different”?

In my book there are more neutral sources, biased sources, and “crazy biased, conspiratorial biased”. I will give some attention to the first two- while keeping in mind what I am reading, while the last group seem largely useless as sources of informaiton.
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I do not watch Faux News and think it certainly has it’s bias. MSNBC is just as bad, if not worse then Faux News. I find MSNBC to be highly offensive.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Here is what Roberts did.
  1. He established the judicial precedent that the Congress cannot use the Commerce Clause nor the Right and Proper clause to punish people into certain behaviors.
  2. He established the judicial precedent that the court will interpret the plain meaning of a statute and not allow Congress to hide behind deceptive language.
  3. He established the precedent that the Congress can tax whatever they want.
  4. He established the principle that elections have consequences.
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Call the Marbury v. Madison precedent into question?

The history of SCOTUS is full of bad decsions:

Creating a constitutional property right to slavery and extending it into new territories (Dred Scott, 1857); gutting the Fourteenth Amendment’s guarantee of equal protection of the laws by warmly embracing state racial segregation (Plessy v. Ferguson, 1896); discrimination against women (Bradwell v. Illinois, 1873), and eugenic sterilization of the disabled (Buck v. Bell, 1927); declining to disturb a state-wide scheme to deprive blacks of the right to vote (Giles v. Harris, 1903); ratifying Franklin Roosevelt’s military internment of innocent Japanese-American civilians during World War II (Korematsu v. United States, 1944); ordering a religious college to cease teaching blacks and whites together (Berea College v. Kentucky, 1908); upholding the expulsion from school of children whose religious beliefs forbade them to salute the flag (Minersville School District v. Gobitis, 1940); and affirming the criminal conviction and incarceration of a prominent former presidential candidate for making an anti-war speech (Debs v. United States, 1919) to name just a few.

Only time will judge this decision. God-willing there won’t be a chance, as there is still the issue of the HHS mandate the court may address, and elections certainly DO have consequences…
 
seekerz said:
Human beings are by nature unpredictable. Maybe Roberts decided to use his independent thought processes rather than bow to partisan politics - I for one applaud him and encourage others to emulate his example and resist becoming androids.
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As do I, and this would go for the more liberal justices as well. It’s nice to see someone go “out of step” every once in a while. Restores my faith in the SCUTUS- which SHOULD stand apart from political grumblings.
 
ComputerGeek25 said:
There are underinsured/uninsured people who have posted on this thread saying that this bill will not help them.
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And there are those who have posted that it will, even one who has posted that Romneycare is presently helping him.

I think everybody should just take a deep breath; like Judge Roberts illustrated yesterday, it is possible to be SURE what will or will not happen, only to have the future prove us completely wrong.

The one thing I am absolutely sure of at this moment, is that doing nothing isn’t going to make the problem of health care access and ballooning costs go away. Based on what I know, I am hopeful the ACA is the start of a definitive solution.
 
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