Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

[scipio337]

Considering that the opposition party (or even when it was the party in power) has steadfastly avoided even the appearance of any attempt to comprehensively address the health care conundrum, I would say that the vote perfectly reflects their level of concern with the issue.

Again, this proves this wasn’t a one-sided bill (and vote)…how???

Your disagrement on the other party’s attempts or rationale, or swipe that their solutions result in a low (or no) level of concern has nothing to do with the issue.

Should I list the proposed amendments to the legislation in various committees, by whom, and their results?

No amount of logical gymnastics can deny the simple fact that this law was proposed, written, and approved through a single political party.

 

[_Abyssinia]

You would certainly say that. The only trust worthy news is of the Right.

That’s quite a transparent view you know.

Do you think NBC is credible when they have edited tapes?

I get my news from a variety of sources, but all news networks are partisan in some way.

 

[adrift]

Do you think NBC is credible when they have edited tapes?

I get my news from a variety of sources, but all news networks are partisan in some way.

Yes there is no such thing as a neutral news source.

WOW over a thousand post in just one day. TALK about a hot topic.

 

[irishpatrick]

What strikes me through all this is that so many people just do not understand that the larger the government gets, the smaller we get. The more we give to government, the less we have for ourselves. The more control we give the government, the less freedom we have.

Period.

 

[ringil]

SCUTUS??? Don’t you mean SCOTUS?

Sorry.

 

[scipio337]

I suggest a cup of coffee - caffeine helps me when I’m grumpy.

There were Occupy protests in hundreds of cities worldwide; that there should have been incidents in several cities that grapple with the criminal element every day of the week, does not define the movement. Were rapists, killers and scammers expected to stay home or not take advantage of the cover provided by large numbers of people on the streets?

I suggest a red pill with your coffee.

Apparently the organizers (and I use that term loosely) felt those few malcontents were enough to release public statements and provide women only “rape free” tents.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Here is some sampling (not statistically projectable!) of physician feedback, by specialty:

buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedshift/doctors-react-to-the-survival-of-obamacare

Doctors Company survey from 2010 found doctors were not supportive of ObamaTax

Physicians Foundation said ‘rather than a sign of progress, the survey suggests that most physicians view health reform as a further erosion of the unfavorable conditions with which they must contend.’ Obamacare ‘has further disengaged doctors from their profession, with potentially negative consequences for both the medical profession and for the quality and accessibility of medical care in the United States.’

Another survey Doctors Company Survey from 2012 found 60% of doctors think ObamaTax will have negative impact on health care.

 

[ringil]

Do you think NBC is credible when they have edited tapes?

I get my news from a variety of sources, but all news networks are partisan in some way.

Yet, what you seem to be saying is that those tilted to the right have some traction and that those tilted to the left shouldn’t be trusted as sources of information.

It seems as if you are thinking that it is all black hats and white hats.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Considering that the opposition party (or even when it was the party in power) has steadfastly avoided even the appearance of any attempt to comprehensively address the health care conundrum, I would say that the vote perfectly reflects their level of concern with the issue.

Why do you constantly rely on the US Congress to solve all of your problems?

 

[ProVobis]

I do not watch Faux News and think it certainly has it’s bias. MSNBC is just as bad, if not worse then Faux News. I find MSNBC to be highly offensive.

I watch Bloomberg. I want to know what the insurance companies think. They pretty much run the Congressional show.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Yet, what you seem to be saying is that those tilted to the right have some traction and that those tilted to the left shouldn’t be trusted as sources of information.

It seems as if you are thinking that it is all black hats and white hats.

I did not say leftist news sources do not have credible news. I said that NBC has not be truthful in some of their stories.

 

[Elizabeth502]

OK, guys, let’s stay on topic.

:slapfight:kpeople:

 

[dixieagle]

God forbid people have to pay for health insurance / health care.

I do agree that the price seems a bit high. As I’ve stated, this bill does nothing to address the underlying costs of health care/insurance.

And that is really the elephant in the living room. Until there is a sea change in the way health care is delivered (as referenced in my previous post linking to a description of the “Geisinger” type model tinyurl.com/892te4s) we will continue to see absurdly high costs.

I would prefer to see state-based universal coverage. States generally require auto insurance, with penalties for non-compliance; same principle could apply.

 

[austenbosten]

Why ‘faux news?’

Fox news is more credible and presents variety of views on issues than any of the mainstream news does; CBS, NBC, ABC.

Fox news does not deceptively edit tapes like NBC did with Martin Zimmerman, Mitt Romney, Jerry Sundusky, Rick Perry and the Tea Party.

Once again the case of liberal bias trying to justify their bias.

Liberal biased networks

CNN
NBC
ABC
CBS
Current
MSNBC
BBC
The Daily Show (technically a comedic satirical attempt at news, but people actually watch for news)
PBS

now naturally with all this bias, in order for the left to justify it, they must find an equivalent which is Fox News, however if you removed Sean Hannity and to some mild extent Bill O’Reilly you would have a news network equivalent to CNN…so to claim Fox News is on par with MSNBC is utterly ridiculous. Back in 2005ish MSNBC was on par with Fox News, because MSNBC had shows for conservatives like Tucker Carlson and such…but now MSNBC is purely liberal with the exception of one token conservative Joe Scarborough, but even Scarborough has the very left-wing Mika Brezenecki (however you spell her name) and other NYT liberals…Morning Joe is far more akin to Fox News’s The Five than it is to say Hannity or even the O’Reilly Factor…so truthfully MSNBC is wholly Liberal while Fox News is centrist with a handful of conservative shows such as Hannity…but liberals still must point out Fox News in order to keep people uninformed that the vast majority of media networks sans Talk radio are very liberal.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Romney: 'What’s troubling is the president told the American people the mandate was not a tax.'

HUMAN EVENTS received this statement from the Romney campaign on Friday afternoon:

“Governor Romney disagreed with the court’s ruling and its findings. What’s troubling is the President told the American people the mandate was not a tax, and then sent his lawyer to the Supreme Court to argue it was a tax. So he said one thing to get it passed, and then contradicted himself to get it past the court. This court’s decision raises the stakes for the election in November. While Governor Romney is disappointed with the court’s ruling, ultimately it is the people who will have the final word.”

Well, before the people have that “final word,” the Obama Administration will have a few thousand more, and White House spokesman Jay Carney delivered a few more of them on Friday morning… when he directly contradicted the Supreme Court and claimed ObamaCare is not a tax.

“It’s a penalty, because you have a choice. You don’t have a choice to pay your taxes, right?” said Carney, perhaps unaware that his words would completely and utterly erase ObamaCare if taken seriously, because its constitutionality is one hundred percent dependent upon Chief Justice John Roberts’ rewriting of the law to make it into a tax.

Now, it’s a major point of order that no one has actually been hit with the individual mandate tax yet, because it goes into effect in 2014. If ObamaCare is not repealed before then, would someone kindly indulge Mr. Carney by “choosing” not to pay that tax, and let him know the results?

Yahoo News reports that Carney thinks that if you don’t like the results, you should be angry at… Mitt Romney, because the tax penalty “is modeled exactly on the penalty that exists in the health care reform that was promoted and signed into law by Governor Romney in Massachusetts.”

Leaving aside whatever similarities exist between the structure of these two programs, Carney may be unaware that the proper name of the country he serves is the “United States of America.” Massachusetts, you see, is but one of the 57 “states” which have “united” in this mighty union. The authors of our Constitution had a peculiar notion that the “states” are not the same as the “nation” they comprise, and therefore have different powers and limitations.

There are many good reasons for this, one of the most important being that if a given citizen does not like the policies of Massachusetts, he can easily withdraw his consent from that government by moving to a different state. Heck, I live in Florida, and I just drove past someone with Massachusetts plates on my way back from lunch, so I know for a fact people do this occasionally.

“You can call it what you want,” said Carney, precisely echoing the triumphant squeal of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who became Minority Leader in a process that will hopefully continue in 2012.

Carney went on to claim that the new tax penalty would affect “one percent of the population! One percent! You can call it what you want, but it is affecting one percent of the population!” Which is funny, because this Administration spent the last three years becoming very, very angry about “tax breaks” that supposedly would only benefit small portions of the population. They are savagely opposed to voter identification laws that would only affect tiny groups of people. ObamaCare itself was implemented because an extremely tiny percentage of the population was unable to purchase health insurance at low rates. Taken together, these positions are a pure example of the very “mob rule” that our constitutional Republic was founded to oppose.

As for that “one percent of the population” Carney is going on about, here’s a handy chart from the Heritage Foundation listing their projected income levels. Notice anything about where 76 percent of these people sit on the income ladder?

http://p.twimg.com/AwkQqdQCQAEO2sP.jpg:large

Words, ideas, and even laws don’t matter to the Democrats, as long as they get their power. In 2009, Barack Obama literally laughed at the folly of calling ObamaCare a tax; yesterday it was declared a tax by the Supreme Court, and this became the law of the land; today that law is discarded like so much rubbish, as the White House recoils from public outrage and begins claiming it’s not a tax again.

humanevents.com/2012/06/29/romney-whats-troubling-is-the-president-told-the-american-people-the-mandate-was-not-a-tax

 

[_Abyssinia]

Once again the case of liberal bias trying to justify their bias.

Liberal biased networks

CNN
NBC
ABC
CBS
Current
MSNBC
BBC
The Daily Show (technically a comedic satirical attempt at news, but people actually watch for news)
PBS

now naturally with all this bias, in order for the left to justify it, they must find an equivalent which is Fox News, however if you removed Sean Hannity and to some mild extent Bill O’Reilly you would have a news network equivalent to CNN…so to claim Fox News is on par with MSNBC is utterly ridiculous. Back in 2005ish MSNBC was on par with Fox News, because MSNBC had shows for conservatives like Tucker Carlson and such…but now MSNBC is purely liberal with the exception of one token conservative Joe Scarborough, but even Scarborough has the very left-wing Mika Brezenecki (however you spell her name) and other NYT liberals…Morning Joe is far more akin to Fox News’s The Five than it is to say Hannity or even the O’Reilly Factor…so truthfully MSNBC is wholly Liberal while Fox News is centrist with a handful of conservative shows such as Hannity…but liberals still must point out Fox News in order to keep people uninformed that the vast majority of media networks sans Talk radio are very liberal.

Fox news is the single news network that provides different points of view among an ocean of liberal news networks, and people attack Fox news for perhaps having more conservatives / Republicans to share their views?

 

[ProVobis]

Why ‘faux news?’

Fox news is more credible and presents variety of views on issues than any of the mainstream news does; CBS, NBC, ABC.

Fox news does not deceptively edit tapes

Yeh, right. Murdoch’s clean.

 

[seekerz]

Why do you constantly rely on the US Congress to solve all of your problems?

I do?

You misread me, I simply want Congress to perform its function and earn its keep. That’s what regular people do - WORK to earn the wages and health care provided by their employers.

So really, your question is sort of like asking me: “Why do you depend on your car to take you places”. Sure I could walk or cycle or stay home…but why, when I make car payments and fill the tank, should I leave the car to rust in the driveway?

 

[stevegravy]

Romney: 'What’s troubling is the president told the American people the mandate was not a tax.'

humanevents.com/2012/06/29/romney-whats-troubling-is-the-president-told-the-american-people-the-mandate-was-not-a-tax

And the beat goes on…

 

[seekerz]

I suggest a red pill with your coffee.

My suggestion was for you. I don’t drink coffee. And what on earth is a red pill?