Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

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austenbosten said:
Once again the case of liberal bias trying to justify their bias.

Liberal biased networks

CNN
NBC
ABC
CBS
Current
MSNBC
BBC
The Daily Show (technically a comedic satirical attempt at news, but people actually watch for news)
PBS

now naturally with all this bias, in order for the left to justify it, they must find an equivalent which is Fox News, however if you removed Sean Hannity and to some mild extent Bill O’Reilly you would have a news network equivalent to CNN…so to claim Fox News is on par with MSNBC is utterly ridiculous. Back in 2005ish MSNBC was on par with Fox News, because MSNBC had shows for conservatives like Tucker Carlson and such…but now MSNBC is purely liberal with the exception of one token conservative Joe Scarborough, but even Scarborough has the very left-wing Mika Brezenecki (however you spell her name) and other NYT liberals…Morning Joe is far more akin to Fox News’s The Five than it is to say Hannity or even the O’Reilly Factor…so truthfully MSNBC is wholly Liberal while Fox News is centrist with a handful of conservative shows such as Hannity…but liberals still must point out Fox News in order to keep people uninformed that the vast majority of media networks sans Talk radio are very liberal.
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A person needs to listen some to both. But the real advantage to listening to the conservative shows is that you get news you won’t get at all on the liberal networks. You won’t hear that the events even occurred sometimes.

Oh yes, the topic. In a weird way, one almost has to admire Roberts in his finding. I don’t know what was in his mind, but in a way he was telling people they have to grow up. “You voted these people in, now live with the consequences. If you don’t like what they do, then change what you do.”

Kind of sobering, actually. Personally, I think Obamacare is going to probably be the worst single enactment since Roosevelt’s NRA; possibly worse. The nation got into a brain fever over “diversity” and “hope” and “change” and “free stuff” and all kinds of romanticism, and it went bad like so many romances do. So now it’s the “morning after”, and we’re in a mess. Maybe we can dig out of it and maybe we can’t. But as a nation, we had it coming.
 
seekerz said:
I do? :confused:

You misread me, I simply want Congress to perform its function and earn its keep. That’s what regular people do - WORK to earn the wages and health care provided by their employers.

So really, your question is sort of like asking me: “Why do you depend on your car to take you places”. Sure I could walk or cycle or stay home…but why, when I make car payments and fill the tank, should I leave the car to rust in the driveway?
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Cause you don’t want to contribute to greenhouse gases? Not that there is anything wrong with that… just saying 😃
 
seekerz said:
And there are those who have posted that it will, even one who has posted that Romneycare is presently helping him.

I think everybody should just take a deep breath; like Judge Roberts illustrated yesterday, it is possible to be SURE what will or will not happen, only to have the future prove us completely wrong.

The one thing I am absolutely sure of at this moment, is that doing nothing isn’t going to make the problem of health care access and ballooning costs go away. Based on what I know, I am hopeful the ACA is the start of a definitive solution.
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I agree that doing nothing isn’t going to help the situation, but doing the wrong thing will just exacerbate the problems that we already have.
 
seekerz said:
I do? :confused:

You misread me, I simply want Congress to perform its function and earn its keep. That’s what regular people do - WORK to earn the wages and health care provided by their employers.

So really, your question is sort of like asking me: “Why do you depend on your car to take you places”. Sure I could walk or cycle or stay home…but why, when I make car payments and fill the tank, should I leave the car to rust in the driveway?
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Not even the same. A car’s purpose is to take me from place to place. The government’s rightful purpose is to protect my life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, not to force me to do anything or solve my problems for me.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Not even the same. A car’s purpose is to take me from place to place. The government’s rightful purpose is to protect my life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, not to force me to do anything or solve my problems for me.
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That’s not what Roberts says he says, if you don’t do what they tell you to do or let them solve your problems the way that they want to, they can only tax you.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Not even the same. A car’s purpose is to take me from place to place. The government’s rightful purpose is to protect my life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, not to force me to do anything or solve my problems for me.
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And the purpose of Congress is to focus all its energy into steadfastly refusing to do anything???

BTW, how does govt protect, life and pursuit of happiness if you’re lying somewhere sick and uncared for…or worse yet, lying 6ft under because of a tooth abscess? I guess death is the ultimate liberation, but I’m pretty sure that’s not what the framers meant…
 
Ridgerunner said:
Oh yes, the topic. In a weird way, one almost has to admire Roberts in his finding. I don’t know what was in his mind, but in a way he was telling people they have to grow up. “You voted these people in, now live with the consequences. If you don’t like what they do, then change what you do.”

Kind of sobering, actually. Personally, I think Obamacare is going to probably be the worst single enactment since Roosevelt’s NRA; possibly worse. The nation got into a brain fever over “diversity” and “hope” and “change” and “free stuff” and all kinds of romanticism, and it went bad like so many romances do. So now it’s the “morning after”, and we’re in a mess. Maybe we can dig out of it and maybe we can’t. But as a nation, we had it coming.
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I would wholeheartedly agree with you, if Obamacare was written in law as a tax. It wasn’t.

Neither the Congress nor the Executive proposed this law as a tax. What Chief Justice Roberts effectively did was re-write the law, which is well beyond the scope and bounds of the SCOTUS. To admire Chief Justice Roberts, is akin to admiring President Obama selectively choosing which laws he wants to enforce or Congress controlling the enforcement of laws…We have a gal-darn Constitution and the branches are overstepping on everyone’s turf and it’s complete anarchy.

I have very little respect for Chief Justice Warren…err I mean Roberts after this. He clearly did what was not his position to do.

I’m all for American’s suffering from their mistakes, but I think the anemic economy is enough of a consequence, we don’t need the Supreme Court effectively dominating both Congress and the WH to prove that.
 
stevegravy said:
The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are pop culture symbols representing the choice between the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue) and embracing the sometimes painful truth of reality (red).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill
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I had no idea that analogy had other implications on this topic!
During the debate over the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, President Obama made news by saying, in both a press conference and an interview “If there’s a blue pill and a red pill, and the blue pill is half the price of the red pill and works just as well, why not pay half price for the thing that’s going to make you well?”…
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abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8091227

:tiphat:
 
Every new program approved means the state gets larger and we the people get smaller.

I do not think even a person on the left can argue that obvious point.
 
stevegravy said:
After looking at various critics of the Roberts decision, I decided to take the blue pill. It aint worth having my head explode trying to understand it. I can be a happy serf that way. :cool:
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I think the ultimate pill is just going to a different country like Costa Rica.

Son: Daddy what’s that smell? and where is all this smoke coming from?

Me: Oh son that’s America burning to the ground from it’s own Statism

Son: Daddy tell me the story about America again

Kids: Yeah Dad, tell us the story again!

Me: Okay children gather 'round, I am going to tell you the story about what it was like in the United States when men were free
 
Dawnia said:
I agree that doing nothing isn’t going to help the situation, but doing the wrong thing will just exacerbate the problems that we already have.
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What ‘wrong thing’ is the ACA doing? Health care is complex; it’s trying to achieve a very difficult but very necessary revamping. Piecemeal won’t do; tort reform in individual states for example, have not decreased costs - to my knowledge. Just because it is difficult and complicated doesn’t make it wrong. Just because the bill isn’t perfect or doesn’t give everybody what they want, doesn’t make it a bad bill.

The contraceptive/abortion concern is not insurmountable and in my mind is could be readily solved for example, by creating an separate insurance groups for employees of conscientious objectors so that their health coverage would be completely independent of their employers. IMO, it’s time to sever health coverage from employment anyway.
 
austenbosten said:
I think the ultimate pill is just going to a different country like Costa Rica.

Son: Daddy what’s that smell? and where is all this smoke coming from?

Me: Oh son that’s America burning to the ground from it’s own Statism

Son: Daddy tell me the story about America again

Kids: Yeah Dad, tell us the story again!

Me: Okay children gather 'round, I am going to tell you the story about what it was like in the United States when men were free
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Funny how popular Costa Rica seems to have become recently. Ah, the grass is always greener on the other side. Next will be colonies on the moon, I suppose.
 
irishpatrick said:
Every new program approved means the state gets larger and we the people get smaller.

I do not think even a person on the left can argue that obvious point.
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What point? The government isn’t some autonomous entity with unlimited power - it belongs to the people. You know, as in government of the people, for the people, by the people?

This whole ‘big government’ argument drives me crazy. It’s like being scared of a corporation in which you own majority shares - unless of course, you don’t…then it gets really interesting.
 
seekerz said:
Funny how popular Costa Rica seems to have become recently. Ah, the grass is always greener on the other side. Next will be colonies on the moon, I suppose.
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I guess the same was said when Hugo Chavez took over Venezuela and many Venezuelans decided they didn’t want to live under the tyranny of Socialism.
 
seekerz said:
What point? The government isn’t some autonomous entity with unlimited power - it belongs to the people. You know, as in government of the people, for the people, by the people?

This whole ‘big government’ argument drives me crazy. It’s like being scared of a corporation in which you own majority shares - unless of course, you don’t…then it gets really interesting.
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Then, imo, you need to wake up. Every single new program takes money, which comes from us, which means we have less money. The fewer dollars we have to spend in our own lives, means we are less free to do what WE want. Further, with each new program we allow the government to implement, we are giving that area of control to the state, which means we are losing the control in our own lives.

Your analogy about shares in a corporation does not wash. The government NEVER gives back control we religuish to it, and we cannot sell our shares in the government to “opt out” of certain programs. Once a program is approved, the state has it forever, nd we have no say at all. None.

We see how the state’s unavoidable intrusion in our freedoms is already taking place through things like the HHS mandate.

The larger the government, the smaller we become–it is a fact, not a guess.
 
austenbosten said:
I guess the same was said when Hugo Chavez took over Venezuela and many Venezuelans decided they didn’t want to live under the tyranny of Socialism.
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The same thing is said when any group in a democratic society don’t get what they want. It just gets really old.
 
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