Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

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Lincoln “freed” the chattel slaves of the south and enslaved the entire country in the process by stomping on the Constitution and implementing an Imperial Presidency.
Oh, so now Lincoln was wrong too…🤷

Have fun in Costa Rica. Say, do they have a Constitution too?
 
Lincoln “freed” the chattel slaves of the south and enslaved the entire country in the process by stomping on the Constitution and implementing an Imperial Presidency.
Oy vey not a Ron Paul/neo-Confederate response to the freeing of the slaves. 😦
 
I say again, it amazes me that so few people can see that the more we give the government, the smaller we get. It seems so obvious, and it should be the single most significant reason not to do the ACA, yet people in general want to look for more complexity.

The larger the government gets, the smaller we get–a simple principle learned through all history.
 
Oy vey not a Ron Paul/neo-Confederate response to the freeing of the slaves. 😦
Don’t you know? Equality is an unattainable ideal and pursuing it simply robs one group to benefit the other. You know, like there’s a limited amount of ‘freedom’ in the atmosphere and the only way to give freedom to some is to take it from others. At least, I think that’s how the ideology goes…
 
Naive about supply and demand? I would say that pretty accurately describes the people who think that health costs go down with any type of behavior among consumers…
A practitioner charging too much can be market disciplined by patients leaving for another charging less. But, if said practitioner is the only neurosurgeon in a 1000 mi. radius and you have a brain hematoma who you gona call….ghost busters? What are you going to pay? Pretty much whatever he ask.
 
I say again, it amazes me that so few people can see that the more we give the government, the smaller we get. It seems so obvious, and it should be the single most significant reason not to do the ACA, yet people in general want to look for more complexity.

The larger the government gets, the smaller we get–a simple principle learned through all history.
No strong country ever fell in a single strike of conquest. I think it was Toynbee who posits that only one in 20 odd civilizations was conquered by an overwhelming force. The rest suffered a slow decay, a rotting from inside a neuropathy of the will so to speak. They became the proverbial paper tiger before their collapse.
So, we are no different. The folks have found out they can vote themselves money from the treasury. The representatives use it to bribe the folk to vote for them. As said in Ecclesiastics, nothing new under the sun. The folks confuse arrogance for humility, taxes/coercion for charity, sloth for industry, wealth for poverty of spirit. We abandon all semblances of discipline and wisdom to pursue celebrity and leisure.
 
Don’t you know? Equality is an unattainable ideal and pursuing it simply robs one group to benefit the other. You know, like there’s a limited amount of ‘freedom’ in the atmosphere and the only way to give freedom to some is to take it from others. At least, I think that’s how the ideology goes…
You’re mixing up Equalities. There is equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. The latter does require one to rob one to benefit the other, but the former does not harm anyone, unless it’s giving freedoms to those who seek to harm others freedoms.
 
No strong country ever fell in a single strike of conquest. I think it was Toynbee who posits that only one in 20 odd civilizations was conquered by an overwhelming force. The rest suffered a slow decay, a rotting from inside a neuropathy of the will so to speak. They became the proverbial paper tiger before their collapse.
So, we are no different. The folks have found out they can vote themselves money from the treasury. The representatives use it to bribe the folk to vote for them. As said in Ecclesiastics, nothing new under the sun. The folks confuse arrogance for humility, taxes/coercion for charity, sloth for industry, wealth for poverty of spirit. We abandon all semblances of discipline and wisdom to pursue celebrity and leisure.
Exactly. Great post. 👍
 
No strong country ever fell in a single strike of conquest. I think it was Toynbee who posits that only one in 20 odd civilizations was conquered by an overwhelming force. The rest suffered a slow decay, a rotting from inside a neuropathy of the will so to speak. They became the proverbial paper tiger before their collapse.
So, we are no different. The folks have found out they can vote themselves money from the treasury. The representatives use it to bribe the folk to vote for them. As said in Ecclesiastics, nothing new under the sun. The folks confuse arrogance for humility, taxes/coercion for charity, sloth for industry, wealth for poverty of spirit. We abandon all semblances of discipline and wisdom to pursue celebrity and leisure.
Yes, agreed, and a more troubling thing is many of the people have future generations to worry about.

It just makes simple sense that if a person gives “x” to the government, they no longer hold that “x.” That “x” can be money, power, influence, authority, control, basically whatever–and when the “x” is given away to the government, it is like a ray of light falling into a black hole…never to be seen again.
 
Lincoln “freed” the chattel slaves of the south and enslaved the entire country in the process by stomping on the Constitution and implementing an Imperial Presidency.
I often thought he was just the guy that started all the trouble. Now I think he is just a guy who did what all governments do in similar situations. And that is anything to preserve their power. And as a result we began the slide to the imperial president. IS it a surprise? Don’t know?
 
Lincoln “freed” the chattel slaves of the south and enslaved the entire country in the process by stomping on the Constitution and implementing an Imperial Presidency.
Yes, quite accurate. Lincoln was a great President for what he did for slaves. Lincoln was a lousy President for what he did to our system of government. Balancing things out, it is still better that God’s innocent children were freed from their shackles, yet I sure wish Lincoln would have found a more balanced way to get that done!
 
Yes, agreed, and a more troubling thing is many of the people have future generations to worry about.

It just makes simple sense that if a person gives “x” to the government, they no longer hold that “x.” That “x” can be money, power, influence, authority, control, basically whatever–and when the “x” is given away to the government, it is like a ray of light falling into a black hole…never to be seen again.
Like death of a thousand cuts. We are marching to serfdom no doubt about it.
 
Oh, so now Lincoln was wrong too…🤷

Have fun in Costa Rica. Say, do they have a Constitution too?
THey have no standing army and their police force is negligible. So, even if they don’t, I don’t have alot to worry about.
 
A practitioner charging too much can be market disciplined by patients leaving for another charging less. But, if said practitioner is the only neurosurgeon in a 1000 mi. radius and you have a brain hematoma who you gona call….ghost busters? What are you going to pay? Pretty much whatever he ask.
Ha, but it’s hardly ever as simple as that. Often patients don’t even have that ‘disciplining’ power because:
  1. As long as they are all similar in charging practices, they can collectively go as high as they want, restrained only by what insurance will agree to pay. You, the consumer, actually has very little to do with it.
  2. If you are insured, you might only find out the cost AFTER your insurance company has reimbursed the provider and informed you of your responsibility.
Such info can theoretically be obtained before a visit, but is not necessarily accurate because many charges are stratified by the degree of care rendered - something that is only decided during the visit.
  1. Of course, you could refuse to return once you know the costs, but might mean paying a different doctor for a new patient visit, something considerably more costly than a return visit to a doctor you already are registered with.
For these reasons and many more, demand and supply mean different things in health care than in other markets.
 
And maybe they have a universal healthcare system. Man, the righties sure shot themselves in the foot on this Costa Rica business. :rotfl:
By almost any standard, Costa Rica has some of the best health care in Latin America. Not only that, but the country’s public and private health systems are constantly being upgraded—new hospitals, new equipment, and improvements in staff training.

Despite the advancements, costs are low in comparison to those in the U.S. and even some European countries. Health care costs are about a third to a fifth of what you’d pay in the U.S., depending on the treatment Doctors, for instance, rarely charge more than $60 a visit, even for house calls. Many doctors, especially in private practice, speak English and have received training in Europe, Canada, or the U.S. Drugs are also much less expensive.

Private health care is also available, which is affordable and high quality. There are three large, private hospitals that most expatriates use: CIMA hospital in Escazú, Clinica Biblica in San José, and Hospital La Católica in San José-Guadalupe.

Costa Rica’s Private Health Care System
Many of the country’s highly trained physicians and some dentists work in the mornings for the CCSS and operate their own offices and clinics in the afternoons and evenings. While private health care in Costa Rica is more expensive than that offered by the same doctors and surgeons through the CCSS, the price is still far below that of the average office visit in the U.S. For example, a private office visit to almost any medical specialist costs around $$80 – $100. Continued treatments for diagnosed problems will vary, but will almost always be considerably less than comparable treatment in the United States. Dental work, too, is provided at a much lower cost than in the U.S.– prompting a phenomenon known as “medical tourism.”

Three well-known private hospitals, Clinica Biblica, Hospital CIMA, and Hospital La Catolica, where many CCSS doctors practice in the afternoons and evenings, offer first-class, ultra-modern services. Affiliated with U.S. hospitals, these three private providers have costs somewhat higher than the public providers but still considerably below anything found in the U.S.

Many expats elect to use a mix of public and private care due to the wait times for certain procedures and treatments in the public system.
 
Ha, but it’s hardly ever as simple as that. Often patients don’t even have that ‘disciplining’ power because:
  1. As long as they are all similar in charging practices, they can collectively go as high as they want, restrained only by what insurance will agree to pay. You, the consumer, actually has very little to do with it.
Nonsense. The consumer always dictates pricing. Simple supply and demand economics
  1. If you are insured, you might only find out the cost AFTER your insurance company has reimbursed the provider and informed you of your responsibility.
More nonsense. Are we all dolts who don’t check costs? All the more reason to stop this “test everything because I have insurance” nonsense.
For these reasons and many more, demand and supply mean different things in health care than in other markets.
Supply and demand knows no market. It works for everything. I’d suggest an economics course.😉
 
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