Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

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53% Want Health Care Law Repealed
Most voters still aren’t convinced: They want President Obama’s national health care law repealed as they have said consistently since the measure was passed by Congress over two years ago.
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The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 53% of Likely U.S. Voters at least somewhat favor the repeal of the health care law, while 41% are opposed. These findings include 43% who Strongly Favor repeal and 31% who Strongly Oppose it. (To see survey question wording, click here
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The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on July 7-8, 2012 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology

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80% Expect Repeal of Health Care Law If Romney Wins
Many Republican activists have voiced concern over the Romney campaign’s rhetorical stumbles since the U.S. Supreme Court upheld President Obama’s health care law. However, voters still overwhelmingly believe the likely GOP nominee’s claim that he will repeal the law if elected.
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A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 80% of Likely U.S. Voters nationwide think it’s likely the health care law will be repealed if Romney is elected president and Republicans win control of Congress. Just 15% see it as unlikely. The figures include 52% who believe a GOP sweep would make repeal Very Likely. (To see survey question wording, click here
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This national survey of 1,000 U.S. Likely Voters was conducted on July 5-6, 2012 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology

rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/july_2012/80_expect_repeal_of_health_care_law_if_romney_wins
 
As a health care professional in the biz for over 24 years, I have to side with Mr. LaFrance.

Think about this. One of the ways we got into this mess is that health insurance became attached to employment. Google that one.

They need to get back to the drawing board and make changes in the structure that have caused this hyperinflation. The last thing we need to do is give this corrupt government jurisdiction over our life or death.

Human nature reverts back to the path of least resistance. But, in order to be free, the majority of us have to be mature, productive, hard-working adults. That’s the whole problem.
 
Keith_W_OR_USA said:
I’m sure a poor mother with a 1 yr old child will just have to think positive that money will rain down from heaven. Pathetic
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My poor mother of 2 young kids made it work without taking a penny from the public. Part of that included me mowing laws, cleaning pools, chopping and stacking wood, and shovelling show to help put food on the table when I was only 14.

Pathetic indeed. :rolleyes:
 
Ceil-1 said:
As a health care professional in the biz for over 24 years, I have to side with Mr. LaFrance.

Think about this. One of the ways we got into this mess is that health insurance became attached to employment. Google that one.

They need to get back to the drawing board and make changes in the structure that have caused this hyperinflation. The last thing we need to do is give this corrupt government jurisdiction over our life or death.

Human nature reverts back to the path of least resistance. But, in order to be free, the majority of us have to be mature, productive, hard-working adults. That’s the whole problem.
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Don’t encourage Mr. LaFrance.:tsktsk: Health insurance started as a cheap perk to offer to workers. It’s mismangement is the result of greed on the part of Insurance companies, and the Medical profession as a whole.

So, your pretty far of track. Maybe you are standing too close to the works to see? But, the industry has had enough time to right the problems that exist. They have failed to do so.

So, we have the ACA.🤷 Hopefully, we can make it work for us.

ATB
 
Mickey_Finn said:
Don’t encourage Mr. LaFrance.:tsktsk: Health insurance started as a cheap perk to offer to workers. It’s mismangement is the result of greed on the part of Insurance companies, and the Medical profession as a whole.

So, your pretty far of track. Maybe you are standing too close to the works to see? But, the industry has had enough time to right the problems that exist. They have failed to do so.

So, we have the ACA.🤷 Hopefully, we can make it work for us.

ATB
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“Employer-sponsored health insurance plans dramatically expanded as a direct result of wage controls imposed by the federal government during World War II. The labor market was tight because of the increased demand for goods and decreased supply of workers during the war. Federally imposed wage and price controls prohibited manufacturers and other employers from raising wages enough to attract workers. When the War Labor Board declared that fringe benefits, such as sick leave and health insurance, did not count as wages for the purpose of wage controls, employers responded with significantly increased offers of fringe benefits, especially health care coverage, to attract workers.”

nber.org/aginghealth/2009no2/w14839.html

I don’t need encouragement, only facts. I have them, you don’t. 🤷
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
“Employer-sponsored health insurance plans dramatically expanded as a direct result of wage controls imposed by the federal government during World War II. The labor market was tight because of the increased demand for goods and decreased supply of workers during the war. Federally imposed wage and price controls prohibited manufacturers and other employers from raising wages enough to attract workers. When the War Labor Board declared that fringe benefits, such as sick leave and health insurance, did not count as wages for the purpose of wage controls, employers responded with significantly increased offers of fringe benefits, especially health care coverage, to attract workers.”

nber.org/aginghealth/2009no2/w14839.html

I don’t need encouragement, only facts. I have them, you don’t. 🤷
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Scott thank you for providing this bit of information. Wasn’t it Daniel Patrick Moynihan who said everyone is entitled to their own opinions, they aren’t entiled to their own facts. I prefer working with facts too!

Lisa
 
Report: 83 percent of doctors have considered quitting over Obamacare
Eighty-three percent of American physicians have considered leaving their practices over President Barack Obama’s health care reform law, according to a survey released by the Doctor Patient Medical Association.
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The DPMA, a non-partisan association of doctors and patients, surveyed
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a random selection of 699 doctors nationwide. The survey found that the majority have thought about bailing out of their careers over the legislation, which was upheld last month by the Supreme Court.

Even if doctors do not quit their jobs over the ruling, America will face a shortage of at least 90,000 doctors by 2020. The newly passed health care bill increases the demand for physicians by expanding insurance coverage. This change will exacerbate the current shortage as more Americans live past 65.

By 2025 the shortage will balloon to over 130,000, Len Marquez, the director of government relations at the American Association of Medical Colleges, told The Daily Caller.

“One of our primary concerns is that you’ve got an aging physician workforce and you have these new beneficiaries — these newly insured people — coming through the system,” he said. “There will be strains and there will be physician shortages.”

The DPMA found that many in the medical profession do not believe the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will lead to better access to medical care for the majority of Americans, co-founder of the DPMA Kathryn Serkes told TheDC.

“Doctors clearly understand what Washington does not — that a piece of paper that says you are ‘covered’ by insurance or ‘enrolled’ in Medicare or Medicaid does not translate to actual medical care when doctors can’t afford to see patients at the lowball payments, and patients have to jump through government and insurance company bureaucratic hoops,” she said.

The American Medical Association, which endorsed Obama’s health care overhaul, was not able to immediately offer comment on the survey. Spokesperson Heather Lasher Todd said it would take time to review the information in the survey.

Janelle Davis of the American Academy of Family Physicians said the AAFP could not provide thoughtful commentary without studying the survey’s findings and methodology.

dailycaller.com/2012/07/09/report-83-percent-of-doctors-have-considered-quitting-over-obamacare/#ixzz20A19lFbB
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
“Employer-sponsored health insurance plans dramatically expanded as a direct result of wage controls imposed by the federal government during World War II. The labor market was tight because of the increased demand for goods and decreased supply of workers during the war. Federally imposed wage and price controls prohibited manufacturers and other employers from raising wages enough to attract workers. When the War Labor Board declared that fringe benefits, such as sick leave and health insurance, did not count as wages for the purpose of wage controls, employers responded with significantly increased offers of fringe benefits, especially health care coverage, to attract workers.”

nber.org/aginghealth/2009no2/w14839.html

I don’t need encouragement, only facts. I have them, you don’t. 🤷
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I thought thats what I said. I went back and checked. Sure enough, thats what I said. “Health insurance started as a cheap perk to offer to workers”.

By the way, you don’t have to shout.

p.s. If you had been following along more closely. You would remember that I referenced in another thread, the Kaiser shipyards of WWII.😉
 
LisaA said:
Scott thank you for providing this bit of information. Wasn’t it Daniel Patrick Moynihan who said everyone is entitled to their own opinions, they aren’t entiled to their own facts. I prefer working with facts too!

Lisa
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:confused::confused::confused:
 
Mickey_Finn said:
I thought thats what I said. I went back and checked. Sure enough, thats what I said. “Health insurance started as a cheap perk to offer to workers”.

By the way, you don’t have to shout.

p.s. If you had been following along more closely. You would remember that I referenced in another thread, the Kaiser shipyards of WWII.😉
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And what I said was that the employer insurance programs started as a reaction to the government meddling in the market. So I guess we are both on the same page. And I bolded to mark the relevant point of the paragraph.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
And what I said was that the employer insurance programs started as a reaction to the government meddling in the market. So I guess we are both on the same page. And I bolded to mark the relevant point of the paragraph.
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I think he was more worried how you pointed out his mistake in bold.
 
Mickey_Finn said:
I think you’d have to go back to the Whiskey rebellion. Many then, thought the government had no right to build roads.

ATB
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The authority to build roads is in Article 1, Sect 8, where the Constitution delegates the maintaining of the post offices and post roads. Other than that, all other roads were state responsibility, until the Interstate Highway System was established as a military program; the purpose being the rapid transportation of military in times of war, and for use as military runways.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
And what I said was that the employer insurance programs started as a reaction to the government meddling in the market. So I guess we are both on the same page. And I bolded to mark the relevant point of the paragraph.
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Scott obviously Mickey didn’t read your post. It was not a “cheap perk” but actually a way of paying MORE to attract employees when wages were frozen. A “cheap perk” is a bus pass, not healthcare.

Lisa
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
“Employer-sponsored health insurance plans dramatically expanded as a direct result of wage controls imposed by the federal government during World War II. The labor market was tight because of the increased demand for goods and decreased supply of workers during the war. Federally imposed wage and price controls prohibited manufacturers and other employers from raising wages enough to attract workers. When the War Labor Board declared that fringe benefits, such as sick leave and health insurance, did not count as wages for the purpose of wage controls, employers responded with significantly increased offers of fringe benefits, especially health care coverage, to attract workers.”
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It is interesting to note that to this day the only way AFAIK to get group insurance is through an employer. Now one would think that the free market would have found many different ways to get group insurance, where the only premium differential involves self, self and spouse, and family. I sense government intervention in respects other than what you correctly noted. And good research, btw.
 
Mickey_Finn said:
Thanks Dawnia. But, ummm we were debating a number of settled out of court complaints. Which I could not find a number for. I didn’t find one in your links. But the first link did confirm that people have a tendency to go, where they will be less accountable for their actions.
The second links gragh number six. Seems to have the numbers I reported.

ATB
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If you want specific info…you need to look that up yourself.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
And what I said was that the employer insurance programs started as a reaction to the government meddling in the market. So I guess we are both on the same page. And I bolded to mark the relevant point of the paragraph.
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Meddling with good cause.😉
 
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