Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

[SamH]

And you’re implying what by this?

I imply nothing.

 

[SamH]

John Roberts was originally with the four dissenters to overturn the entire law. Then he changed, if he thought it was a tax along, why did he not originally vote with the liberal Justices?

Because that is not what the said it was either. Essentually the vote was 4-1-4.

 

[CMatt25]

I imply nothing.

If you weren’t implying, what exactly were you *stating *then with your words to me “guess if you say Christian enough”.

 

[CMatt25]

In other words, you think genocide is OK as long as a canidate promises health insurance for a small sliver of the population.

genocide? I know Catholics might not like the secular source Websters Dictionary but Websters defines “genocide” as the systematic killing of a whole people or nation. No I don’t think that’s ok.

 

[scipio337]

genocide? I know Catholics might not like the secular source Websters Dictionary but Websters defines “genocide” as the systematic killing of a whole people or nation. No I don’t think that’s ok.

Let’s not beat around the bush, Matt, you know what he’s referring to. If 1 milliion+ Americans were dying in a war every year, or dying in the streets of hunger, or even for lack of healtchare, and had been doing so every year, for the past 30+ years, no one would be willing to turn a blind eye to that sad fact.

 

[Jeffrey]

Amen my friend. At any rate… we’re doomed. I cannot figure out how we’re gonna pay for it. My wife and I are prolly better off dropping our insurance if the rates go too high. And refuse to pay the tax penalty.

It means you’re willing to overlook other, more immediate immorality, as well as bankrupting the country and the largest tax increase on the poor/middle class just because you want health insurance for a small sliver of the population.

 

[wynnejj]

I don’t see any ***overreach. ***I believe, like Joe 5859 said. Roberts, was just trying to do right by his job. It’s not his place to run interference for our political folies. We hold elections, and cast our votes. The concequences are ours to live with.

Here’s a difference without a distinction…

The community organized mob boss & cronies enters your small business establishment. We’re protecting the neighborhood from criminals, so pay up or expect the severest penalties.

The new & improved community organized mob boss & cronies enters your small business establishment. We are asking for donations from shopkeepers like yourself to share the cost of protecting the neighborhood. You say “I prefer to take my chances, if you please. You’re not going to destroy my store like the other community organized mob boss & cronies, are you?” … No. No. We’ll just take the money out of your cash register.

 

[iamrefreshed]

Let’s not beat around the bush, Matt, you know what he’s referring to. If 1 milliion+ Americans were dying in a war every year, or dying in the streets of hunger, or even for lack of healtchare, and had been doing so every year, for the past 30+ years, no one would be willing to turn a blind eye to that sad fact.

Yes, but when you can claim Jesus didn’t explicitly condemn it then it seems to be OK.

 

[Jeffrey]

The silver lining i guess eh ? At any rate…

realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/07/02/allen_west_obama_wants_americans_to_be_his_slave.html’

Gotta love the quote… it’s 100% accurate.

"He does not want you to have the self-esteem of getting up and earning, and having that title of American. He’d rather you be his slave," Rep. Allen West (R-FL) said Sunday at a campaign event in his district. (source: WPTV-TV, West Palm Beach)

I don’t think anyone expected that Obama’s promise to bring the parties together involved bringing them together against him.

 

[PaulinVA]

When I was sick you ensured I was cared for…

Is Catholic social teaching supporting taxing everyone for healthcare of the poor?

Would it fly if the good Samaritan brought the Jew who had been beaten up to an inn and said, “Here’s my part. If every other guest here, and anyone who stops by, kicks in a little this Samaritan can get better”?

 

[seekerz]

I pretty sure Jesus wouldn’t want us to steal ( tax ) ppl to get this failure of a healthcare bill.

Jesus wouldn’t want us to bear false witness either, which is what we do when we term as criminal, legitimate functions of government which even HE participated in.

 

[seekerz]

When I was sick you ensured I was cared for…

Is Catholic social teaching supporting taxing everyone for healthcare of the poor?

Would it fly if the good Samaritan brought the Jew who had been beaten up to an inn and said, “Here’s my part. If every other guest here, and anyone who stops by, kicks in a little this Samaritan can get better”?

You seem to be describing the behavior of the early Christians in Acts…good work!

 

[PaulinVA]

You seem to be describing the behavior of the early Christians in Acts…good work!

No, the difference is coercion.

Can you coerce believers (an non believers) into doing the right thing? Can you confiscate their money to do good?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Here’s a difference without a distinction…

The community organized mob boss & cronies enters your small business establishment. We’re protecting the neighborhood from criminals, so pay up or expect the severest penalties.

The new & improved community organized mob boss & cronies enters your small business establishment. We are asking for donations from shopkeepers like yourself to share the cost of protecting the neighborhood. You say “I prefer to take my chances, if you please. You’re not going to destroy my store like the other community organized mob boss & cronies, are you?” … No. No. We’ll just take the money out of your cash register.

The difference between the cronies you mentioned and the cronies in Washington is that you can shoot the former ones legally.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Team Romney: No, we’re not declaring ‘cease-fire’ on Obamacare

In the days since the Supreme Court decision upholding Obamacare, some Democrats and commentators in the press have suggested that Mitt Romney is declaring a “cease-fire” on the issue and will no longer make it a centerpiece of his campaign to defeat President Obama.

“Romney Campaign Declaring Cease Fire on Health Care,” reads the headline of a story on the National Journal website. “For an issue that’s supposedly potent against Democrats, Romney’s campaign is declaring a cease fire,” writes National Journal’s Josh Kraushaar. Less definitively, Scott Conroy at RealClearPolitics writes that as Romney spends the Fourth of July holiday in New Hampshire, “the extent to which he will emphasize health care in the months ahead remained uncertain.”

If Romney has, in fact, declared a “cease-fire” over Obamacare, that would certainly be welcome news to the Obama campaign, where officials have expressed a desire to move on from the troubled and unpopular health care law. “After SCOTUS ruling, poll says Americans want to move on,” tweeted top campaign aide David Axelrod Monday. “But GOP Congress? They want to have themselves a Tea Party.” Axelrod was referring to a new Kaiser Family Foundation survey in which, according to a Los Angeles Times report, “a majority of Americans now want to put the fight over the Affordable Care Act behind them.”

So is the Romney campaign, in fact, declaring a “cease-fire” on Obamacare? No, no, no, says Romney spokesman Ryan Williams. “From our perspective, Obamacare has been and will continue to be a central issue in the campaign,” says Williams. “It presents voters with a bright line that divides the two candidates. Gov. Romney is going to repeal Obamacare and President Obama is going to keep it. There is a clear choice in November.”

“It is something that [Romney] has been discussing on the campaign trail for the past year and that he will continue to discuss,” Williams adds. “It is bad law, it is bad policy, and it’s something that Gov. Romney is going to address on his first day in office. His commitment to repealing Obamacare is as strong as it was on the day Congress jammed it down the throat of the American public.”

washingtonexaminer.com/team-romney-no-were-not-declaring-cease-fire-on-obamacare/article/2501262

 

[_Abyssinia]

A Court source tells Salon the chief justice wrote the majority opinion and much of the dissent in the ACA case

The explanation for this, according to the source, is very simple: Roberts’ chamber did much of the drafting of the former section, and none of the latter. In short, it appears Chief Justice Roberts ended up in large part authoring both the majority opinion and the dissent in National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius. This would seem to give a whole new meaning to the term “swing justice.”

salon.com/2012/07/03/roberts_wrote_both_obamacare_opinions

That is ridiculous

 

[estesbob]

No, the difference is coercion.

Can you coerce believers (an non believers) into doing the right thing? Can you confiscate their money to do good?

That appears to be the underlying basis of the theology of Democrat catholics. That is that one can fulfill their obligation to care for the poor and needy by voting for someone who promises to take someone else’s money and do it for them

 

[PaulinVA]

That appears to be the underlying basis of the theology of Democrat catholics. That is that one can fulfill their obligation to care for the poor and needy by voting for someone who promises to take someone else’s money and do it for them

This is gonna be good…

 

[Jeffrey]

They are forcing me to pay for abortions… that’s not right. That’s standing up for my religion… so its not bearing false witness.

Jesus wouldn’t want us to bear false witness either, which is what we do when we term as criminal, legitimate functions of government which even HE participated in.

 

[scipio337]

Jesus wouldn’t want us to bear false witness either, which is what we do when we term as criminal, legitimate functions of government which even HE participated in.

I have a minor in classical literature, and for the life of me can’t find any reference to a progressive income tax, or universal healtcare system in the late Republic/early Empire period.

“Taxes” were assessed on actual owned wealth: real property, livestock, slaves, etc.

During Caesar’s time, this tax was about 1-3%.

The question isn’t if taxation isn’t a legal function of government, but at what point does it become criminal? Charging interest rates are a legal function of lenders, but at some point, it moves into the realm of usury.