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Mickey_Finn
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To clarify, the Government does not pay as much as the provider demands. The provider, always over bills so the amount payed increases gradually. Been this way for a very long time.
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_Abyssinia
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Obama Spokesman Says They Disagree With Supreme Court Decision Upholding ObamaCare
youtube.com/watch?v=l3LLBan64bE
Donald Virelli argued it was a tax, not a penalty, so Obama campaign is now opposing their Solicitor General? If it is a penalty isn’t it unconstitutional?
Democrat myth that is being perpetuated is that ObamaTax will only effect the people that do not have insurance. Most of the new taxes, 75% will effect everybody earning under $120000 whether you have insurance or not which breaks Obama’s campaign promise that he would not raise taxes on the middle class
youtube.com/watch?v=l3LLBan64bE
Donald Virelli argued it was a tax, not a penalty, so Obama campaign is now opposing their Solicitor General? If it is a penalty isn’t it unconstitutional?
Democrat myth that is being perpetuated is that ObamaTax will only effect the people that do not have insurance. Most of the new taxes, 75% will effect everybody earning under $120000 whether you have insurance or not which breaks Obama’s campaign promise that he would not raise taxes on the middle class
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SamH
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Because once the profit is out of the system it will run better? How’d that work in the Soviet Union?Scott, I’m seeing this as more of a rant. Granted, I have zero tolerance for the TEA mentality.
The biggest problem with our healthcare system is that it’s ran for profit. The biggest offenders by far are the Pharmaceutical companies. As an example, I’'l offer the Lilly Cyanide poinoning treatment. “the lilly kit”. Ineffective, and toxic in it’s own right. It is also vey expensive. Come along the French.The French. They devise a system that cost about $25.00. Nontoxic, and effective.Now how do you suppose that happens?
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Scott_Lafrance
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Ya, God forbid people complain about government overreach.Scott, I’m seeing this as more of a rant. Granted, I have zero tolerance for the TEA mentality.
The biggest problem with our healthcare system is that it’s ran for profit. The biggest offenders by far are the Pharmaceutical companies. As an example, I’'l offer the Lilly Cyanide poinoning treatment. “the lilly kit”. Ineffective, and toxic in it’s own right. It is also vey expensive. Come along the French.The French. They devise a system that cost about $25.00. Nontoxic, and effective.
And you do realize that the “for profit insurance industry” was born out of a response to government meddling in the health care industry, and your solution to the problem that the government created is to have the government solve the problem?
The very definition of causing a problem that you have the “only” solution to is racketeering, you know, the thing that the RICO statutes were created to fight… So, who is going to protect us from the government racketeering if the government is the one who has the only “legal” recourse to implement it? So racketeering is only illegal if it is performed by anyone but the government?If we are not going to be a nation of laws, then we by our natural rights, should dissolve the current government and reform it so that it properly performs its natural ends, to protect the rights of the citizenry. Government exists to serve people, not the other way around. If you want to live as a serf in a tyrannical government, then that’s fine! I wish you luck. But you have no right to force ME to live under that system. In fact, if you try, I have my own natural recources to correct that injustice.
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TheRealJuliane
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Because, once people are motivated by something other than a profit motive, their natural goodness will emerge and there will be rainbows coming out of their nether regions…oh wait, I was dreaming…
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Scott_Lafrance
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Great! Then have Obama repeal it.
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Scott_Lafrance
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Yes, because history has clearly demonstrated that when Marxism is implemented, that place becomes a veritable paradise on earth, complete with unicorns and rainbows.Because, once people are motivated by something other than a profit motive, their natural goodness will emerge and there will be rainbows coming out of their nether regions…oh wait, I was dreaming…
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Dawnia
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I read it.
This topic is going so fast, it’s easy to miss posts.I agree, they don’t work very well for those that have medicaid or “good” insurance, but they work well for those that pay out of pocket, which I believe was the excuse for the government to step in.
I think the market itself was already starting to step in to fix some of the problems due to lack of access for uninsured. The thing about capitalism is that if there is a need and a chance to make money, someone will step in to provide the service. For years there have been discount clubs & insurance alternatives cropping up everywhere. When prescription costs were all the rage, pharmacies implemented $4 drug programs.
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SamH
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That’s why you see all those rafts lined up in South Florida with people just waiting to break their way in to Cuba.
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Scott_Lafrance
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This is a result of government price controls. You are providing further evidence that government control = fail.
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SamH
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That’s why I like flexible spending accounts - but Obama has put the brakes on them.I read it.
I agree, they don’t work very well for those that have medicaid or “good” insurance, but they work well for those that pay out of pocket, which I believe was the excuse for the government to step in.
Apparently the only limited service clinics he likes are the ones that perform abortions as their primary “treatment”.
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Scott_Lafrance
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I wonder if the people who support this Marxist utopian system realize that the first thing that happens when the system is put into place is that walls and armed guards are erected around the place, not to keep people out…but to keep people IN. If the place is such a paradise, why do they have to put the citizenry under lock down and into concentration camps if they dissent?
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Scott_Lafrance
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Seriously. I have had a high deductible Health Plan with a Health Savings Account and have been very successful in self-directing my family’s health care for 4 years with it. But no. Obama and the Democrats know better than I do how to run my family’s healthcare and finances. The arrogance of the Democrat Party is bizarre and offensive.
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TheRealJuliane
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He_Man
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Proof the provider overbiils?
How do you quanitfy the services rendered from a cardiologist? It isn’t an ounce of gold, or some other quantifiable metal.
We know FOR A FACT they take a loss on what the government pays them. But you’ll need some proof that they are overcharging up front.
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Dawnia
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I don’t get why there is a cap on medical spending accounts. They seemed to be one of the things that was working rather well. Taxes weren’t the only thing Obamacare adds, it also eliminates tax deductions.
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SamH
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And those caps will cost me over $3000 this year in additional taxes and limit our ability to obtain medical treatment and preventive care. All the things I predicted when Obamatax was being considered.
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LaBolt has been dishonest before and now he is again
He make it sound as if Obama’s lawyers were not arguing that ObamaTax was a tax
Liberal Media Matters says ‘Solicitor General Donald Verrilli devoted significant time to the taxing-power argument’
LaBolt is trying to protect Obama who said he absolutely rejected the mandate was a tax. That is not what Donald Virelli was arguing in the SC
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Scott_Lafrance
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Donald Virelli proved in court that Obama is a liar.
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Obama campaign is in a complete muddle
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