Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

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SamH said:
But Obamatax will result in people with insurance suffering and dying without medical care.
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😃 my point exactly.

Seekerz as I said before, insurance does not equate medical care. You can have a gold plated insurance card but it’s not going to help you get well.

Obamatax was created by government bureaucrats, not medical providers who have made many propositions about the two objectives, reducing cost and increasing access. Unfortunately being in touch with reality had little to do with the utopian dreams of Nancy Pelosi and her cadre of scribners.

Lisa
 
iamrefreshed said:
I bet they’ve managed to afford a cell phone, cable TV, Internet, X-Box and a host of other ‘necessities’.:rolleyes:
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This is not a joke. I live right next door to a “section 8” housing project and they use food stamps (I see them shopping at WalMart) and use iPhones and there are more BMWs, Mercedes, and Cadillacs in that parking lot than there are in the parking lot of my HOA. ANyone who says that public assistance isn’t grossly abused doesn’t live in reality.
 
Usbek_de_Perse said:
Just curious, but if one of these people who don’t buy something they don’t want shows up a the emergency room, should they be turned away?
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Surely you know that by law, they cannot be turned away. That is why so many use the ER as a free clinic. That is why hospitals are closing. They cannot absorb the costs of so many people who do not pay.
 
LisaA said:
😃 my point exactly.

Seekerz as I said before, insurance does not equate medical care. You can have a gold plated insurance card but it’s not going to help you get well.
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Why not? 😦 If I have to listen to you, it’s only the gold plated cards (not Medicare/Medicaid) that are acceptable to the people who can actually help me get well…
Obamatax was created by government bureaucrats, not medical providers who have made many propositions about the two objectives, reducing cost and increasing access. Unfortunately being in touch with reality had little to do with the utopian dreams of Nancy Pelosi and her cadre of scribners.
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Who cares if it was created by bureaucrats? Are their management skills any worse than those of medical providers? Late billing, inaccurate coding, wrong/lacking insurance info, failure to follow claims, failure to appeal unpaid claims…just a few examples of the common problems busy doctors are sometimes unaware of. Maybe reimbursement wouldn’t seem so meager if they actually did a better job of getting what is owed to them. I’m sure it’s not the ACA which made managing a practice’s revenue such a complicated mess!

northeastmedicalsolutions.com/NEMS_PROTECT.html : just a random example for you
 
seekerz said:
Apology accepted.

That lone heckler’s comment stirred much controversy - again, I await the firm rebuttal (you know, like McCain with that confused Grandma and her question on Obama’s heritage).
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You need look no further than their website.

gop.gov/indepth/pledge/healthcare

Although they may have left “shove granny over a cliff” off of their official response.
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seekerz:
Again, to be clear, my claim was NOT who is or is not dying of what, but the acceptance that they should be suffering and dying. As I already admitted, I cannot give any numbers (which is why I am not making claims as to their proportion).
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I don’t see anyone accepting people suffering and dying due to a lack of medical insurance.
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seekerz:
All I have is my commonsense: before a person qualifies for emergency treatment (unless they were perhaps hit by a car or a bolt of lightning) they generally tend to be suffering from some sort of disease which gives rise to the emergency in the first place. Ergo, people who don’t have access to health care on a non-emergency basis, can suffer for years or even die, from diseases that they might not even be aware they have.
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But again, emergency rooms aren’t the only outlet for healthcare. Charity hospitals, clinics, etc have been providing free and low cost services for ages.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
This is not a joke. I live right next door to a “section 8” housing project and they use food stamps (I see them shopping at WalMart) and use iPhones and there are more BMWs, Mercedes, and Cadillacs in that parking lot than there are in the parking lot of my HOA. ANyone who says that public assistance isn’t grossly abused doesn’t live in reality.
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Public assistance buys you Cadillacs? Where, on a penny-auction site?
 
seekerz said:
Public assistance buys you Cadillacs? Where, on a penny-auction site?
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Public assistance pays for the necessities so that your under the table (undeclared) money can be used to buy the other stuff. That, and the cars belong to “baby daddy” who isn’t listed on any of the public assistance paperwork.
 
seekerz said:
Apology accepted.

That lone heckler’s comment stirred much controversy - again, I await the firm rebuttal (you know, like McCain with that confused Grandma and her question on Obama’s heritage). …
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Oooh! And the rebuttal actually contains provisions that would made the Bishops (and most Catholics) very happy:
Permanently Prohibit Taxpayer Funding of Abortion
We will establish a government-wide prohibition on taxpayer funding of abortion and subsidies for insurance coverage that includes abortion. This prohibition would go further and enact into law what is known as the Hyde Amendment as well as ban other instances of federal subsidies for abortion services. We will also enact into law conscience protections for health care providers, including doctors, nurses, and hospitals.
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gop.gov/indepth/pledge/healthcare
 
While I agree as i’ve seen the cars with 2k plus rims on them… looking like bugs… meh. In the poorer areas of town. A flippin shame 😦
Scott_Lafrance said:
Public assistance pays for the necessities so that your under the table (undeclared) money can be used to buy the other stuff. That, and the cars belong to “baby daddy” who isn’t listed on any of the public assistance paperwork.
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seekerz said:
Why not? 😦 If I have to listen to you, it’s only the gold plated cards (not Medicare/Medicaid) that are acceptable to the people who can actually help me get well…

Who cares if it was created by bureaucrats? Are their management skills any worse than those of medical providers? Late billing, inaccurate coding, wrong/lacking insurance info, failure to follow claims, failure to appeal unpaid claims…just a few examples of the common problems busy doctors are sometimes unaware of. Maybe reimbursement wouldn’t seem so meager if they actually did a better job of getting what is owed to them. I’m sure it’s not the ACA which made managing a practice’s revenue such a complicated mess!

northeastmedicalsolutions.com/NEMS_PROTECT.html : just a random example for you
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Oh my I love that you are using a promotional website for a company selling services to doctors to claim that once again IT’S THE DOCTORS FAULT reimbursement is poor. Right…This company is selling its management services.

You are right, there is the possibility of incorrect claims however please indulge me since I’ve been doing this for 25+ years. Everything is based on the ICD9 and CPT Coding systems… We now have computer programs that almost always prevent errors in claims. So for example if a patient is diagnosed with prostate cancer but the procedure coded is for heart surgery the computer will kick it out. The computer confirms the right diagnosis with the applicaable procedure, then sends claims electronically. Claims are paid in a certain number of days from receipt of claim and once again the computer comes to the rescue as it will spit out reports about unpaid claims, those in process, those needing additional info (op report, H&P etc) and resubmit.

IOW yes it’s possible that some doctors are not getting every possible dollar but most of them are using these sophisticated programs and if they aren’t their billing company is doing so. This kind of low hanging fruit is the first thing doctors pick when trying to keep their doors open. It’s a lot easier than doing another surgery!

Lisa
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Public assistance pays for the necessities so that your under the table (undeclared) money can be used to buy the other stuff. That, and the cars belong to “baby daddy” who isn’t listed on any of the public assistance paperwork.
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Oh, so those Cadillac-owning recipients you describe are not, lowering their expectations to the level of the subsidies they receive (thus remaining stuck in poverty forever), as another poster was schooling me on this morning…Now I’m really confused.
 
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