Supreme Court Ruling on Same Sex Marriage

[Vatican2Rocks]

I’ve not said anything about the specifics of God’s will for you (as I can’t know that, others can’t know that, and I doubt you can either). What I have said is that God’s will is undoubtedly good for you, by virtue of it being God’s will. We follow God’s Will by making the best, virtuous choices we can - God doesn’t send us Emails advising his Will, which we then weigh up with other considerations.

Your post repeats your earlier statements and but does not address what I’ve put to you - which is about the nature of God’s Will.

i feel it is important to make sure i am clearly understood on what i am trying to convey. I used me as an example because i thought it would be easier to explain what i am trying to say.

perhaps you can rephrase what you meant to ask or maybe you are talking in a general sense.

 

[Rau]

…perhaps you can rephrase what you meant to ask or maybe you are talking in a general sense.

I’m not asking anything. I’m explaining how your proposition that one could “discard the will of God” in favour of a personal (and proper) judgement is to create a dichotomy where none need exist. Your statements reveal a misunderstanding of the nature of the Will of God, which I think my last post makes clear.

 

[KSU]

From Glen Campbell in the movie True Grit:

“You’ve done nothing when you’ve bested a fool”

 

[Vatican2Rocks]

I’m not asking anything. I’m explaining how your proposition that one could “discard the will of God” in favour of a personal (and proper) judgement is to create a dichotomy where none need exist. Your statements reveal a misunderstanding of the nature of the Will of God, which I think my last post makes clear.

All people are within their rights to discard what some claim is god’s will. on the matter of marriage, our free will is sacrosanct. i believe our free will is sacrosanct when it comes to matters of the conscience and i will not have my free will on any matter limited for the sake of argumentation.

 

[Peter_Plato]

All people are within their rights to discard what some claim is god’s will. on the matter of marriage, our free will is sacrosanct. i believe our free will is sacrosanct when it comes to matters of the conscience and i will not have my free will on any matter limited for the sake of argumentation.

So, your claim is that a will based upon limited knowledge, concupiscence, self-absorption, heavily influenced by potentially out-of-control desires and possibly dead from sin is “sacrosanct,” but the omniscient, omnibenevolent will of God ought to be overruled in favour of the former?

What about when Jesus said, “Not my will but your will be done;” was he mistaken and ought to have done whatever he decided, ignoring God the Father’s will? Or are you saying human will is only sacrosanct where marriage is concerned?

 

[Tomdstone]

What about when Jesus said, “Not my will but your will be done;” was he mistaken and ought to have done whatever he decided, ignoring God the Father’s will?

I thought that since both God the Son and God the Father were one God, that they would have the same will?

 

[Vatican2Rocks]

So, your claim is that a will based upon limited knowledge, concupiscence, self-absorption, heavily influenced by potentially out-of-control desires and possibly dead from sin is “sacrosanct,” but the omniscient, omnibenevolent will of God ought to be overruled in favour of the former?

no that is not my claim…that is your claim. I don’t know where to begin since you are not a catholic. but
i have some reading materials for you:

1. theology of the body by jp2
2. marriage: the mystery of faithful love by dietrich von hildebrand
3. check my prior posts on this thread for catechism paragraph cited on sacramental marriage and free will

i think it is rash judgement on your part, plato, to assume the worst case scenario…as for me, all i have done is expound on catholic teaching and canon law regarding sacramental marriage.

What about when Jesus said, “Not my will but your will be done;” was he mistaken and ought to have done whatever he decided, ignoring God the Father’s will? Or are you saying human will is only sacrosanct where marriage is concerned?

jesus’s will and god’s will were one and the same and jesus didn’t get married…

I have a different understanding of the garden of eden situation, with adam and eve and the two trees in the garden…it is my own interpretation and not the church’s.

 

[Vatican2Rocks]

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i have some reading materials for you:

1. theology of the body by jp2 (over 200 pages)
2. marriage: the mystery of faithful love by dietrich von hildebrand (only 77 pages)
3. check my prior posts on this thread for catechism paragraphs cited on sacramental marriage and the necessity of free will (less than 2 pages)
4. Chastity: A guide for teens and young adults by Father Gerald Kelly, S.J. (108 pages) and available for free online at this link>>>>holyspiritinteractive.net/youth/chastity/…THIS IS THE BEST BOOK TO READ TO CATECHIZE EVERYONE SO THEY KNOW WHO IS THE RIGHT PERSON TO MARRY.

 

[KSU]

Originally Posted by Peter Plato:
What about when Jesus said, “Not my will but your will be done;” was he mistaken and ought to have done whatever he decided, ignoring God the Father’s will?

I thought that since both God the Son and God the Father were one God, that they would have the same will?

Correct. Because Jesus and the Father are one and share the same will, it should have tipped you off that it was not necessary for Jesus to have directed those words to the Father. He didn’t; his words were meant for us: True man speaking to true man; flesh speaking to flesh to show us that it is necessary to subjugate the will of the flesh to the will of God–even if it means death on a cross.

Therefore, if anyone misuses free will to choose evil over obedience and example purchased at a great price; if anyone disregards Christ’s words He meant for us and chooses instead the silly miss-translations of Scripture and the other tortured logic of the militant homosexual lobby, that person has no right to be (and won’t be) surprised at judgement time to find out that his free will wasn’t so Supreme after all.

 

[Vatican2Rocks]

Originally Posted by Peter Plato:
What about when Jesus said, “Not my will but your will be done;” was he mistaken and ought to have done whatever he decided, ignoring God the Father’s will?

Correct. Because Jesus and the Father are one and share the same will, it should have tipped you off that it was not necessary for Jesus to have directed those words to the Father. He didn’t; his words were meant for us: True man speaking to true man; flesh speaking to flesh to show us that it is necessary to subjugate the will of the flesh to the will of God–even if it means death on a cross.

Therefore, if anyone misuses free will to choose evil over obedience and example purchased at a great price; if anyone disregards Christ’s words He meant for us and chooses instead the silly miss-translations of Scripture and the other tortured logic of the militant homosexual lobby, that person has no right to be (and won’t be) surprised at judgement time to find out that his free will wasn’t so Supreme after all.

be careful because you are saying heterosexuals do not have free will to choose a marriage partner either…i think a lot of married heterosexuals who have valid marriages are going to be up in arms with you. they aren’t going to like you saying that they are evil because they obeyed their own will and not god’s for marital purposes. I don’t think God likes it either. just sayin…

 

[Rau]

… they aren’t going to like you saying that they are evil because they obeyed their own will and not god’s for marital purposes. …

You persist with this false notion of God’s Will as some factual information. Please explain how a person come’s to know with certainty God’s Will?

 

[KSU]

be careful because you are saying heterosexuals do not have free will to choose a marriage partner either…i think a lot of married heterosexuals who have valid marriages are going to be up in arms with you. they aren’t going to like you saying that they are evil because they obeyed their own will and not god’s for marital purposes.

That’s gibberish; not even intelligible. Why do you insist on speaking in some kind of code? Are you ashamed to come right out and say what you mean?

 

[Vatican2Rocks]

You persist with this false notion of God’s Will as some factual information. Please explain how a person come’s to know with certainty God’s Will?

Read book 4 which is also available online. read it in its entirety and the lightbulb will go on

i am one of those people that believes I will KNOW who i am supposed to marry when i meet them. and lots of those kinds of marriages are still going strong.

 

[Vatican2Rocks]

That’s gibberish; not even intelligible. Why do you insist on speaking in some kind of code? Are you ashamed to come right out and say what you mean?

forgive me for asking but are you a troll?
if so, i will stop participating because i am not interested in uppping the clicks.

 

[Rau]

…i am one of those people that believes I will KNOW who i am supposed to marry when i meet them. and lots of those kinds of marriages are still going strong.

Good for you. But how will you know with certainty the Will of God, which you must do, to form a view as to whether it accords with your own will?

 

[Vatican2Rocks]

Good for you. But how will you know with certainty the Will of God, which you must do, to form a view as to whether it accords with your own will?

I will know because I know the holy spirit
and i DO NOT HAVE TO DO THE WILL OF GOD as you conceive it
I do not have to obey your interpretation of the will of god.
MY WILL IS SUPREME WHEN IT COMES TO MARRIAGE PARTNERS
Take it or leave it and I DO BELIEVE IN EQUALITY OF THE SEXES and I am not saying i am the boss of my spouse. I am saying I HAVE TOTAL AUTHORITY ABOUT WHO I MARRY and as i stated a week ago on the day of a person’s sacramental marriage…they can have NO DOUBTS and they must be sexually attracted to their partner.

please read the book on chastity…it will answer a lot of these questions.

 

[KSU]

Originally Posted by KSU:
That’s gibberish; not even intelligible. Why do you insist on speaking in some kind of code? Are you ashamed to come right out and say what you mean?

forgive me for asking but are you a troll?
if so, i will stop participating because i am not interested in upping the clicks.

Is that supposed to distract me from pinning you down? You don’t get to speak gibberish as though that constitutes answers to questions. Are you ashamed to give a straight answer?

 

[Rau]

I will know [the Will of God] because I know the holy spirit…

Then you are truly unique…capable of knowing with certainty the Will of God.

 

[Vatican2Rocks]

Then you are truly unique…capable of knowing with certainty the Will of God.

I am lucky and blessed

 

[KSU]

MY WILL IS SUPREME WHEN IT COMES TO MARRIAGE PARTNERS… I am saying I HAVE TOTAL AUTHORITY ABOUT WHO I MARRY

please read the book on chastity…it will answer a lot of these questions.

If you someday wish to marry a person of the same sex, do you believe it is OK because your will is supreme?

Please quote the passage in the book that confirms it.