Supreme Knight tells Catholics to accept Hispanic brothers and sisters (CNA)

[Catholic_Press]

LOS ANGELES, May 21 (CNA) - Anderson called the Americas “the Catholic hemisphere” because of their high Catholic population and rich Catholic heritage. “It is here that the Church faces a bright future,” he said.**“Hispanics in the Church are not an abstraction, they are our fellow parishioners,” he said “Our Lady of Guadalupe points us to her son, but she also points us to unity in her son and for Catholics this unity must transcend borders.”

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[Lance]

Not much to discuss, when you are right- you are right! We should accept all people of every race as our brothers.

 

[genealogist]

Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s…

We have immigration laws. Maybe they should change but they are the legitimate law of this land. I don’t buy all this “anti-Hispanic” stuff. Many Hispanics are here illegally and most illegals are Mexican do to proximity. If we bordered Ireland then the people like me would be criticising the illegal Irisih aliens if 12 million snuck in.

Catholics of all Christians should understand the illegitimacy of the illegals claims. A faulty start taints everything else you do. For eg. the fault claims of Henry VIII and the illegitimate prdination rites celebrated in his man-made church can’t be fixed, they have to be ordained not re-ordained when the Anglican minister wants to continue his ministry in the RCC.

Illegals should have no expectation of citizenship. I don’t want to pay the tax rates I do so why does the IRS come after me if I cheat but INS gives illegals a pass.

The post started talking about love your brother. As a Knight myself I agree but the Knights also stand for patriotism and that means I can’t ignore the crimes committed by illegal aliens(NOT undocumented workers) to get here.

It is the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine from the law that fits this sceanrio best.

 

[rlg94086]

The Supreme Knight didn’t mention immigration - just that we are all brothers and Hispanics in the parish shouldn’t be considered an “abstraction.” This has nothing to do with their immigration status. It has to do with how we interact with our fellow parishioners and Catholics.

Many, many Hispanics are also patriotic. In fact, perhaps the Knights may influence some to even stronger patriotism. That would be a good thing, no?

Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s…

We have immigration laws. Maybe they should change but they are the legitimate law of this land. I don’t buy all this “anti-Hispanic” stuff. Many Hispanics are here illegally and most illegals are Mexican do to proximity. If we bordered Ireland then the people like me would be criticising the illegal Irisih aliens if 12 million snuck in.

Catholics of all Christians should understand the illegitimacy of the illegals claims. A faulty start taints everything else you do. For eg. the fault claims of Henry VIII and the illegitimate prdination rites celebrated in his man-made church can’t be fixed, they have to be ordained not re-ordained when the Anglican minister wants to continue his ministry in the RCC.

Illegals should have no expectation of citizenship. I don’t want to pay the tax rates I do so why does the IRS come after me if I cheat but INS gives illegals a pass.

The post started talking about love your brother. As a Knight myself I agree but the Knights also stand for patriotism and that means I can’t ignore the crimes committed by illegal aliens(NOT undocumented workers) to get here.

It is the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine from the law that fits this sceanrio best.

 

[dympnha]

Nice sentiment but I’ll bet that the Supreme Knight lives in an upscale all white neighborhood where the folks call the police if they see stranger walking by. This sounds like an ivory tower dweller lecturing us little people on the ground.

 

[puzzleannie]

Not much to discuss, when you are right- you are right! We should accept all people of every race as our brothers.

Hispanics are not another race, not that it should matter if they were, but depending on country of origin may be of European, Indian or African descent, or mestizo. Their racial qualities are not an issue, the fact that they are fellow Catholics is, especially when they are repelled in a supposedly Catholic parish. This discussion has nothing whatever to do with immigration, it has to do with Catholics distancing themselves from other Catholics on artificial bases like language, culture, popular piety and country of origin.

 

[m134e5]

Nice sentiment but I’ll bet that the Supreme Knight lives in an upscale all white neighborhood where the folks call the police if they see stranger walking by. This sounds like an ivory tower dweller lecturing us little people on the ground.

How many of the Supreme Knight’s letters have you read? I have read many of them- too many to count, and I can safely say he is well-informed about what’s going on in the world. He’s not condoning illegal immigration- he’s not stupid- he’s not about to do that- but racism is a sin- even if it’s against Hispanics.

The Italian, Irish, Polish, German, French, Dutch, Spanish, Portugese, and Native American influences on this country are appreciated- why not the Hispanic influences?

About a century ago, when many, many Italian and Irish immigrants were coming over- often with practically nothing, they weren’t appreciated. They were poor. They had a different culture. They were Catholic…and many beautiful parts of American culture wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for the Italians and Irish who brought them here. They weren’t all perfect either. All those Italian mobster movies weren’t just conceived entirely in someone’s imagination- there really were mobs that led corrupt lives (selling homemade whiskey doesn’t seem so bad now, but it sure did to the Protestant majority in this country). There was an Irish mob too- and people thought the Irish and Italians were trash because of the mobs and because the people were poor, but hard workers who took the jobs they didn’t want. American society did NOT want them here- but they kept coming, because they were desperate. People argue that they came here legally- of course they did- there were no immigration laws. It just was more common then for the police to turn a blind eye when someone torched your house or store or beat them up- or for the courts to let someone off the hook for doing it.

 

[geezerbob]

Nice sentiment but I’ll bet that the Supreme Knight lives in an upscale all white neighborhood where the folks call the police if they see stranger walking by. This sounds like an ivory tower dweller lecturing us little people on the ground.

Not a very charitable statement even if it is only speculation.

 

[Lance]

Nice sentiment but I’ll bet that the Supreme Knight lives in an upscale all white neighborhood where the folks call the police if they see stranger walking by. This sounds like an ivory tower dweller lecturing us little people on the ground.

What does where he lives have to do with anything? Do you think that because someone lives in a nice house they don’t have the right to voice their opinions about racism, prejudice or injustice? Would you make the statement you did if he had said the same thing about Irish or Italian Catholics? How about someone from Serbia or China?

 

[Tom317]

Hispanics are not another race, not that it should matter if they were, but depending on country of origin may be of European, Indian or African descent, or mestizo. Their racial qualities are not an issue, the fact that they are fellow Catholics is, especially when they are repelled in a supposedly Catholic parish. This discussion has nothing whatever to do with immigration, it has to do with Catholics distancing themselves from other Catholics on artificial bases like language, culture, popular piety and country of origin.

Language is a very real problem.

 

[Lance]

Hispanics are not another race, not that it should matter if they were, but depending on country of origin may be of European, Indian or African descent, or mestizo. Their racial qualities are not an issue, the fact that they are fellow Catholics is, especially when they are repelled in a supposedly Catholic parish. This discussion has nothing whatever to do with immigration, it has to do with Catholics distancing themselves from other Catholics on artificial bases like language, culture, popular piety and country of origin.

You are right, the federal government considers them to be a different ethnicity. In any case we are called by the church to treat them with respect and kindness, just as we are to treat all people.

 

[Franze]

The immigration isn´t very good and many americans are against immigrants and Ibero-America needs development not immigrating to US.

 

[tee_eff_em]

Nice sentiment but I’ll bet that the Supreme Knight lives in an upscale all white neighborhood where the folks call the police if they see stranger walking by. This sounds like an ivory tower dweller lecturing us little people on the ground.

Which of the Supreme Knight’s remarks is too sentimental for you?

Should Catholics not embrace their brother and sisters in the faith? (Or do you contend that Hispanic Catholics are not our brothers and sisters?)

Should we treat Hispanic Catholics as an abstraction in the Church?

Do you contend that Our Lady of Guadalupe does not point us to unity with other Catholics (let alone other Christians, and indeed our fellow men), without regard to national boundaries?

Something else?

tee
A Fourth Degree Knight of Columbus, who respects the Supreme Knight and his reported remarks, but fails to understand why they were particularly newsworthy?