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dolphinlove
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Yes but a LOT of people were killed. Did anyone keep score of who they actually killed?
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Montalban
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Unfortunately no. Not specifically, but in Hadith.I hope these are listed in the quran Montalban
“Bani An-Nadir and Bani Quraiza fought, so the Prophet (Muhammad) exiled Bani An-Nadir and allowed Bani Quraiza to remain at their places. He then killed their men and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims, but some of them came to the Prophet and he granted them safety, and they embraced Islam. He exiled all the Jews from Medina. They were the Jews of Bani Qainuqa’, the tribe of 'Abdullah bin Salam and the Jews of Bani Haritha and all the other Jews of Medina.”
(Hadith, Sahih Bukhari 5:59:362)
There were, in the time of Muhammad, Arab tribes that were Christian. Some were pagan, and some were Jewish. One such Jewish tribe, the Banu Quarayza helped Muhammad in battle. However, “their loyalty was questioned and inevitably, after the siege, Muhammad moved against them. Realizing that they had no chance of surviving, the Banu Quarayza agreed to surrender on condition that they quit Medina empty-handed. Muhammad refused and wanted nothing less than unconditional surrender. The Jews then appealed to their ancient friendship with the Banu Aws and asked that Abuy Lubaba, an ally belonging to that tribe, be allowed to visit them. He was asked what Muhammad’s intentions were; by way of reply Abu Lubaba drew his hand across his throat, indicating that they must fight to the end, as death was all that they could hope for. At last, after several weeks, the Jews surrendered on condition that their fate should be decided by their allies, the Banu Aws. The latter were inclined to show mercy but Muhammad decided that the fate of the Jews was to be decided by on of the Banu Aws. Muhammad nominated Sa’d ibn Muadh to be the judge…He pronounced, “My judgement is that the men shall be put to death, the women and children sold into slavery, and the spoil divided among the army.” Muhammad adopted the verdict as his own: “Truly the judgment of Sad is the judgment of God pronounced on high from beyond the seventh heaven.”
During the night trenches sufficient to contain the dead bodies of the men were dug across the market place…In the morning, (Muhammad), himself a spectator of the tragedy, commanded the male captives to be brought forth in companies of five or six at a time. Each company as it came up was made to sit down in a row on the brink of the trench… The butchery began in the morning, and lasted all day…(Muhammad) returned from this horrid spectacle to solace himself with the charms of Rihana, who’s husband and all of her make relatives had just perished in the massacre”*
Ibn Warraq (1995) “Why I am Not a Muslim”, pp95-96.
Muir, Sir W (1923) “The Life of Muhammad”, p240
Surah Al-'Imran Ayah [151]
We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they joined others in worship with Allah, for which He had sent no authority; their abode will be the Fire and how evil is the abode of the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers).
Surah Al-Ahzab Ayah [26]
And those of the people of the Scripture who backed them (the disbelievers) Allah brought them down from their forts and cast terror into their hearts, (so that) a group (of them) you killed, and a group (of them) you made captives.
Surah Al-Hashr Ayah [2]
He it is Who drove out the disbelievers among the people of the Scripture (i.e. the Jews of the tribe of Bani An-Nadir) from their homes at the first gathering. You did not think that they would get out. And they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! But Allah’s (Torment) reached them from a place whereof they expected it not, and He cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their own dwellings with their own hands and the hands of the believers. Then take admonition, O you with eyes (to see).
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paarsurrey
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Hi
So , you confirm that there was no Catholic or Orthodox or anyother denomination that loved Jesus and Mary, whom Muhammad killed, if I gather correctly from you post. Am I right? Sure, I am.
Montalban!
Now please let us know how many Jews of the Banu Quarayza tribe were killed on that day.
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MugenOne
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(5) The sentence: Death by decapitation for around 300-600 men and pubescent boys, and enslavement for the women and children. Ibn Ishaq says that the number may have been as high as 800-900 (p. 464).
Muhammad was wise enough to have six clans execute two Jews each in order to stop any blood-feuds. The rest of the executions were probably carried out by Muhammad’s fellow Emigrants from Mecca, as the heads and bodies were dragged into trenches in the business district of Medina.
Muhammad was wise enough to have six clans execute two Jews each in order to stop any blood-feuds. The rest of the executions were probably carried out by Muhammad’s fellow Emigrants from Mecca, as the heads and bodies were dragged into trenches in the business district of Medina.
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Booklover
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Jesus is the Prince of Peace, not Muhammad! How dare you use that title for Muhammad! Muhammad, Islam and the odious Quran have done nothing good for mankind! All they’ve done is promote hatred, intolerance, terrorism and destruction!
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Wolseley
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I think we just entered another dimension…
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Tim_Kirchoff
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Yes, the dimension of subjective theology. One page, abrogation applies. Later on, it doesn’t. Make up your minds, people. It doesn’t help that you are contradicting each other.
And booklover, don’t judge too harshly. “remove the beam from your own eye…”
Without the cultural explosion associated with Islam’s growth into areas of the Middle East, we might have never learned of algebra, and such works as Euclid’s Elements may have been lost to history.
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DB_AND_ALI
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How is it possible for Muhammad to be described as the ’ prince of peace ’ , when he fought against so called infidels using all means to force HIS will on them ? He may indeed have been peaceful to his ex-enemies once they were conquered ?!
The reason why we will never see your faith as being the true faith is simply because Jesus is God , the second part of the holy trinity . For me personally there is simply no comparison between the life of Jesus and the life of Muhammed…none whatsoever. I challenge you to study the bible , particularly the 4 gospels…you will find first hand witness accounts of the life , death and confirmed] resurrection of The Messiah…one who was human in every way ; except that He was without sin.
Did Muhammad ever make claims to be the living God ? Did Muhammed ever perform any miracles…the miracles of our Lord are even mentioned in the QURAN !!!
Having said all this , i must tell you that i respect your insites and i would only wish you peace if you were my neighbour .
Peace then and may you be a moderate all your life…always seeking truth.
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Montalban
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Verisimilitude
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It actually hurts reading you sometimes.
paarsurrey,
There is a new book about Mother Teresa. I am reading it now, I wish you too could read it. It is amazing to read the life and thoughts of this most remarkable human being. Something I read last night comes to mind:
I wish you could read this book because you would see what inspired her. It is inspiring me.
She also wrote:
I am afraid this sentiment is unknown in Islam or within Mohamed.
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paarsurrey
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I am all praise for mother Teresa and her services for humanity.
There are good person in every religion and every faith, she is one such remarkable person, there are no boundaries for such good human beings.
We have in Pakistan a simple person called Abdus Sattar Edhi, he has also served humanity without bondaries.
Our Caliph Mirza Masroor Ahamd, presently residing in London says such things as Mother Tereasa has said;
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In fact , we should not be miserly, if there are millions such persons in any part of the world or in any religion or race, that must be appreciated.
The ProphetsMessengers , ChosenOnes of GodAllahYHWH are however are a different category. Krishna, Abraham, Moses, Zoroaster, Jesus and Muhammad are in that category and they should also be acknowledged and appreciated by everybody wholeheartedly and without reservations.
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Montalban
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They like believing in opposites
[SIGN]Islamic Logic 101[/SIGN]
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dolphinlove
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Jesus is not a prophet. And yes, everyone respected her
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Montalban
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paarsurrey’s got some interesting ideas…
When did Krishna become a prophet in the Judeo-Christian tradition?
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Greg27
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Indeed. One devout Catholic here once expressed the clear desire to go back to burning heretics, if it was in his power to do so.
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Montalban
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If you can find a link between his ideas and Christianity, you’d have a point. If not, the fact he was a self-proclaimed Christian has no bearing on what he says.
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dolphinlove
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Since his prophet said so i guess…
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Montalban
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A man who’s a Christian, who has red hair, is tall, bearded and loves to garden goes into a shopping centre and sprays bullets at every shopper he sees.
The fact that he is Christian, has red hair, is tall, bearded and loves to garden is irrelevant to the act of murder and mayhem that he undertook.
Greg27, blacktiger057 et al! You need to be able to show a causal link between the ‘examples’ you use and the acts that they undertook to the teachings of Jesus. Otherwise you don’t have a point.
When I or others evidence a Moslem who, believing he’ll get to Islamic heaven by killing people, this is done by showing such a link. It’s not countered at all by the fact you know someone who also killed people UNLESS you can show the connection between beliefs and actions. Otherwise the fact that they’re a murderer AND a Christian is as relevant as to their shoe-size or favourite colour
The fact that he is Christian, has red hair, is tall, bearded and loves to garden is irrelevant to the act of murder and mayhem that he undertook.
Greg27, blacktiger057 et al! You need to be able to show a causal link between the ‘examples’ you use and the acts that they undertook to the teachings of Jesus. Otherwise you don’t have a point.
When I or others evidence a Moslem who, believing he’ll get to Islamic heaven by killing people, this is done by showing such a link. It’s not countered at all by the fact you know someone who also killed people UNLESS you can show the connection between beliefs and actions. Otherwise the fact that they’re a murderer AND a Christian is as relevant as to their shoe-size or favourite colour
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paarsurrey
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Hi
Islam is a Universal Religion; Ahmadiyya is a faith which goes naturally above the narrow Judeo-Christian approach and depicts Islam’s/Quran’s/ Muhammad’s Universal interpretation for world peace and complete understanding of the Religions.
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dolphinlove
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A faith that goes ‘above’ narrow Judeo-Christian?
Do you care to explain how Ahmadi is ‘above’ us?
In the shortest possible explanation of course…
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