Surprised so-n-so was Catholic

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OrdinaryMelkite said:
Moore may be Catholic by birth and ethnic identity, but he is NOT a legitimate Catholic by any standard. His actions and beliefs are in direct opposition to Catholic teaching. 👍

And Colbert may be Catholic, but is he a DEVOUT, PRACTICING Catholic? That is the question.
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By whose standards? What “actions and beliefs”? Moore works harder for social justice than almost anyone – all his films are about the exploitation of the poor by the soul-less system . He is condemned for it, largely because of his willingness to challenge political authority, and because people don’t like what he looks like.

Colbert does the same, just in a different medium.
 
I dunno, if you look up his biography it states, “Moore is a Catholic,[47][48] but has said he disagrees with church teaching on subjects such as abortion[49] and same-sex marriage.[50]”

Granted, the source is Wikipedia, but the information is referenced and the subjects of abortion and same sex marriage are more important to me as a Catholic. If it’s true, then I guess we can say by The Catholic Church’s standards…

we now return you to the OP subject 😉

Pax†
 
just because a resource that you can’t always rely on says someone is Catholic DOES NOT mean they are Devout (if they are Catholic).

There are good Catholics like Jim Cavesiel. He refused to do a certain type of scene in a movie due to his devotion to his wife.

Michael Moore? um, just because wikipedia says he’s Catholic does not mean he is.

When I think Catholic, I do not think supporting same sex 'marriage", the destruction of human life in the womb (abortion) or supporting destroying human embryos for research. (ESCR) Or saying its okay to kill grandma cause she’s going to “die anyway” (euthanasia or assisted suicide).

A good Catholic would be known for their charity contributions, but not want too much publicity for them. A good Catholic, if he or she were a Hollywood actor, would never use foul language in a film (especially anything taking God’s name in vain).

I was so happy to learn Bing Crosby was Catholic. I bought one of the many Christmas CDs out there with some recordings he did.
 
jediliz said:
just because a resource that you can’t always rely on says someone is Catholic DOES NOT mean they are Devout (if they are Catholic).

There are good Catholics like Jim Cavesiel. He refused to do a certain type of scene in a movie due to his devotion to his wife.

Michael Moore? um, just because wikipedia says he’s Catholic does not mean he is.

When I think Catholic, I do not think supporting same sex 'marriage", the destruction of human life in the womb (abortion) or supporting destroying human embryos for research. (ESCR) Or saying its okay to kill grandma cause she’s going to “die anyway” (euthanasia or assisted suicide).

A good Catholic would be known for their charity contributions, but not want too much publicity for them. A good Catholic, if he or she were a Hollywood actor, would never use foul language in a film (especially anything taking God’s name in vain).

I was so happy to learn Bing Crosby was Catholic. I bought one of the many Christmas CDs out there with some recordings he did.
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I’ll take that as supportive documentation over Wikipedia any day. 😉 👍

Here’s a little something for you, jediliz:

youtube.com/watch?v=5C3UHiD29BI&feature=related

Pax†
 
After Crosby’s death, his eldest son, Gary, wrote a highly critical memoir, Going My Own Way, depicting his father as cold, remote, and both physically and psychologically abusive.

Younger son Phillip frequently disputed his brother Gary’s claims about their father. In an interview conducted in 1999 by the Globe, Phillip said:

My dad was not the monster my lying brother said he was; he was strict, but my father never beat us black and blue, and my brother Gary was a vicious, no-good liar for saying so. I have nothing but fond memories of Dad, going to studios with him, family vacations at our cabin in Idaho, boating and fishing with him. To my dying day, I’ll hate Gary for dragging Dad’s name through the mud. He wrote Going My Own Way out of greed. He wanted to make money and knew that humiliating our father and blackening his name was the only way he could do it. He knew it would generate a lot of publicity. That was the only way he could get his ugly, no-talent face on television and in the newspapers. My dad was my hero. I loved him very much. He loved all of us too, including Gary. He was a great father.[36]
However, Crosby’s other sons, Lindsay and Dennis, sided with Gary’s claim and stated Crosby abused them as well.[37] Dennis also stated that Crosby would abuse Gary the most often.[37

Too-ra-loo-ra-lie

No one’s perfect. Crosby was a sinner, like all of us, and was probably a good man overall. But I guess if you’re a “devout” Catholic, and you don’t disagree with the church on any social or moral issue in any way, then you’re completely okay-- at least in this forum. Here, you either ARE or ARE NOT “Catholic,” but by your standards. (Who the heck are you to say so…??). Is “Catholic” some kind of a code word here for “ultra-conservative Catholic?” Is a “liberal Catholic” not a Catholic?

I don’t recall anyone being asked to leave the church because of a disagreement on a social issue. I accept that the church has decided some issues are not to be debated. The church has a position on some issues that are not to be compromised. If I – or Moore or Colbert – don’t believe abortion should be a crime (but agree that it is a mortal sin), does that make me “pro-life?”

I hadn’t realized I was getting emails from the extreme right wing of Catholicism with this forum. However, it is astonishing how judgmental and self-righteous many posters are here. It’s been eye-opening for me. I think the general tone of intolerance here makes all Catholics look like fundamentalists.**
 
Yeah, I know aaaaall about his sons and the scandal.

As another poster said on another thread, “a troll is hungry, me thinks”.

🙂

Too-ra-loo-ra-whatever. 🤷

You’re entitled to your opinion, friend, on Crosby and Moore and whoever else, but I think going on and on about it merrits starting a thread dedicated to just that.

Now let’s get back to “Surprised so-n-so was Catholic”, not, “Surprised so-n-so was a Good or Bad Catholic and Why”.

My apologies to the OP.
 
I was listening to an audio recording of Bob Newhart’s autobiography, he alleges WC Field was fallen away Catholic. He then givens a quote about WC Fields, which I have found on the Internet. The story goes, Fields’s was an atheist and one day near the end of his life he was found reading the bible. When asked why he was reading the bible he said he was, “looking for loopholes.”
 
LOL. BTW Bob Newhart’s sister is a nun (Sister M. Joan Newhart).
 
Santi2 said:
The Duchess of Kent. She is a volunteer at a night shelter for the homeless where everyone calls her by name: Katherine, not by title. Americans would be familiar with her as the Royal presenter of Wimbledon trophies.
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Is she also a descendant of Oliver Cromwell? (If yes than OH the irony)

I might be thinking of someone else…
 
Joe_Earls said:
By whose standards? What “actions and beliefs”? Moore works harder for social justice than almost anyone – all his films are about the exploitation of the poor by the soul-less system . He is condemned for it, largely because of his willingness to challenge political authority, and because people don’t like what he looks like.

Colbert does the same, just in a different medium.
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One cannot “Pick and Choose” one’s definitions of what makes a “True Catholic.” Those that do are known by many names, such as “Cafeteria Catholics,” or “Not True Catholics.” 👍

There are many, many people in the world who Do things which SOME define as “Good,”----that does NOT mean they are necessarily “Moral” or “Good Catholics.”

To put it more bluntly—just because Moore does what some people call “Social Justice Work,” does not mean that He meets the Objective Standards of what Holy Mother Church and God considers “Good, Devout Behavior.”

For example, Fr. Corapi once said in his usual Straightforward, Blunt Way----“You cannot be Catholic and Pro-Choice.” Catholic Doctrine is clear----it is a Non-Negotiable Issue. Moore is almost certainly “Pro-Choice,” as far as I know. He has also come out for Gay Marriage. 😊

Reminds me of what St. John Chrysostom once said-----“The Floor Of Hell Is Paved With The Skulls Of Priests.” 👍
 
jediliz said:
just because a resource that you can’t always rely on says someone is Catholic DOES NOT mean they are Devout (if they are Catholic).

There are good Catholics like Jim Cavesiel. He refused to do a certain type of scene in a movie due to his devotion to his wife.

Michael Moore? um, just because wikipedia says he’s Catholic does not mean he is.

When I think Catholic, I do not think supporting same sex 'marriage", the destruction of human life in the womb (abortion) or supporting destroying human embryos for research. (ESCR) Or saying its okay to kill grandma cause she’s going to “die anyway” (euthanasia or assisted suicide).

A good Catholic would be known for their charity contributions, but not want too much publicity for them. A good Catholic, if he or she were a Hollywood actor, would never use foul language in a film (especially anything taking God’s name in vain).

I was so happy to learn Bing Crosby was Catholic. I bought one of the many Christmas CDs out there with some recordings he did.
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Good Show. For The Most Part I Agree With This. 🙂
 
As I read the comments in this post, I cannot help but recall Matthew 7:3…

“Why do you observe the splinter in your brother’s eye and never notice the great log in your own?”

Only God can determine who is and who is not a “devout” Catholic. For us to speculate on someone’s devotion is to deteriorate into mean-spirited gossip. As Catholics, we should be better than that.
 
Claudden said:
As I read the comments in this post, I cannot help but recall Matthew 7:3…

“Why do you observe the splinter in your brother’s eye and never notice the great log in your own?”

Only God can determine who is and who is not a “devout” Catholic. For us to speculate on someone’s devotion is to deteriorate into mean-spirited gossip. As Catholics, we should be better than that.
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Good point. Why don’t posters (including me) just post according to the OP and not read into it.

Actually if that were a question in stead of a suggestion I’d answer it by saying, "because this is CAF and we can’t help ourselves. 😃 Sad, but true.
 
Just found out a few days ago that John Candy was Catholic.
 
He did that awful movie about “Dr” Kinsey. But then, he did Schindler’s List. Most recently, The A Team (would not have been my choice to fill the roll, but his acting was great).
imdb.com/name/nm0000553/

Loved the movie Nell in which he played a researcher/scientist (and maybe journalist?).

Remember the scripture about the “field of wheat & weeds”?
Only God really knows these people’s hearts or true motives, but we are to judge people’s actions.

God bless,
Mimi
 
(Too late to edit my other post)

Kinsey’s research was found to be quite flawed and thus, unscientific. There is a book which details this which came out fairly recently. His work is where the quote you sometimes hear from Liberals comes from, that 10% of the population is gay. I can’t understand why an actor, who has the ability to do so much good with his or her talent, would take on a role like this.

In the case of Cagney, I suppose ganster’s are a juicy role. Also, he likely saw that justice was done to the character, and figured there was a moral lesson in the script as well as a juicy role.

So - my $0.02!

Happy New Year!
Mimi
 
Sorry, Mimi, but I respectfully disagree that we “are” to judge people’s actions. We have no way of knowing what these people of whom we have spoken have subsequently done in terms of confession and penance; therefore it is not our job to judge them. We do the Lord’s work best when we judge only our actions and try to improve our own behavior.

“Judge not lest ye be judged.” (Matthew 7:1)

“Let he who be without sin cast the first stone.” (John 8:7)

“Whoever slanders his neighbor in secret, him will I put to silence; whoever has haughty eyes and a proud heart, him will I not endure.” (Psalm 101:5)
 
I thought I read once that Jenna Jameson was catholic? Not sure if she was or is a practicing catholic but that kind of surprised me.

Same thing with Nancy Pelosi. I was kind of surprised to learn she was a catholic or so I’ve heard?
 
Same thing with Nancy Pelosi. I was kind of surprised to learn she was a catholic or so I’ve heard?
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Not only that, but she’s a “theologian” to boot! :rolleyes: (sarcasm).

As far as Jenna Jameson is concerned, all I can find out is that she calls herself a “devout Catholic” The press seems to be having a filed day with that. I know nothing about her having a conversion or anything like that.
 
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