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urban-hermit
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Maybe a good way to start would be to tell your friends back home not to burn people alive or rape them when they are angry about something.
Suspected Hindu militants burn orphanage, killing nun locked inside (CNA)
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Toshali
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Trust me I’m doing my part to convince people I can reason with. Just see how easy it was for you to stamp all my friends as potential rapists and murderers. Creating hate is very easy getting rid of it really hard.
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urban-hermit
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There is a difference between hate and outrage. Hate is like when you burn somebody alive or rape a nun. Outrage is when I tell you to go talk to your countrymen before posting that we are responsible.
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Toshali
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Your outrage is not going to help the matter in anyway but your effort to understand the complexity of the situation might. As for the nun rape incident it is totally unrelated and is months old and has nothing to do with the current communal violence. Tens of women get raped everyday in India alone and it happens allover the world including in your own country, I feel sad for all of them if one of them turned out to be a nun that is also sad, neither you nor I have anyway to control all psychopaths of the world.
If we only get outraged by “who got shot? who got brunt?” only thing it will do is bring out a few more outraged people. Try to understand: these people are poor, illiterate and frustrated. Life has given them far less than what you or I have. If you feel outraged hearing a few exaggerated news reports how can you expect these people to react rationally if some one who have been helping them for five decades is gunned down in-front of their eyes.
The situation has been calm for the last 36 hours lets hope that it stays that way. Calling nationwide protests or the Army is not going to solve the problem but will only suppress it to a later date when this will return in even worse form. The more important thing is to find ways to co-exist peacefully.
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urban-hermit
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Thank you for giving me your perspective as a Hindu. It is very interesting to see how you view this topic.
I must say I find it surprising that you say I should not be outraged.
And that you have no problem coming to a Christian forum to say that we share responsibility for people being burned alive. Also how you say that the nun being raped has nothing to do with the current violence. I find that very interesting.
And I do think this shows a real lack of perspective on your part. You do not even know who killed your beloved Hindu leader. Yet you feel the response against Christians is something not to be outraged over. Instead, I should study the complexity of the problem.
I wonder if your religion has something to do with your lack of appreciation of how serious these crimes are.
You’re right - we live in very different cultures. I do not hate you, but I do hate people being burned alive and raped. And I still believe with complete and absolute certainty that there is no excuse for this, no matter how poor people are. Burning somebody alive will not make a man less poor. He will simply be a poor person who is now also a murderer.
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urban-hermit
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Here are some links for those who are interested:
HRW asks FM of major powers to end Orissa’s violence - article in “The Hindu”
hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/000200808290923.htm
Maoists claim they killed ‘fascist’ VHP leader in Orissa - Times of India article
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Maoists_claim_they_killed_fascist_VHP_leader_in_Orissa/articleshow/3423908.cms
Cardinal Troppo (includes an audio)
oecumene.radiovaticana.org/en1/Articolo.asp?c=227468
Short article from Vatican Radio (includes an audio link)
oecumene.radiovaticana.org/en1/Articolo.asp?c=227336
“Orissa violence is assault on Justice and Peace”
mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=90711
Good article about who killed Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati
ucanews.com/2008/08/28/orissa-death-toll-rises-to-14-church-seeks-federal-help/
AsiaNews quotes Hindu and Muslim sources who clearly describe this as Christian persecution
asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=13088&size=A
Reuters - so verrry hesitant to make it clear that Christians are being persecuted.
reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSDEL1829920080829
HRW asks FM of major powers to end Orissa’s violence - article in “The Hindu”
hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/000200808290923.htm
Maoists claim they killed ‘fascist’ VHP leader in Orissa - Times of India article
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Maoists_claim_they_killed_fascist_VHP_leader_in_Orissa/articleshow/3423908.cms
Cardinal Troppo (includes an audio)
oecumene.radiovaticana.org/en1/Articolo.asp?c=227468
Short article from Vatican Radio (includes an audio link)
oecumene.radiovaticana.org/en1/Articolo.asp?c=227336
“Orissa violence is assault on Justice and Peace”
mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=90711
Good article about who killed Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati
ucanews.com/2008/08/28/orissa-death-toll-rises-to-14-church-seeks-federal-help/
AsiaNews quotes Hindu and Muslim sources who clearly describe this as Christian persecution
asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=13088&size=A
Reuters - so verrry hesitant to make it clear that Christians are being persecuted.
reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSDEL1829920080829
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marymol
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Thank you for caring enough to try to share the truth !
Hope that the struggles and challenge of The Church in India ( somehow allowed - in His mysterious plans !) would be a time of purification and strengthening too - of deeper conversion of hearts at all levels - to mercy, to holiness as well as justice !
Mercy - through prayer for conversion of the satanically influenced …by ardent sharing of the Truth - of a Father’s love , for all - esp. the poor and oppressed ( and The Church alone has done much indeed and selflessly in this area for all of India !).
Holiness - in the area of fidelity to the truth of our faith and this in case there has been any lukewarmness…
If there has been the working of the seductive spirit and in the desire to please native cultures, there has been any compromise of The Truth - this esp.so in areas of holiness in marriage - issue of contraception ,abortions ! As much as destrucion of property in poor areas and violence is of the evil one , these events may help The Church to focus more on such issues as well … in destruction of what is lot more precious to God and should be for us too !
Justice - by calling those who are accountable in such matters to do their part …for sake of their own welfare too …a country sitting in the midst of two potential enemies …and Islam in the homeland that is also watching …India - the hindus, cannot afford to bring God’s judgements for wickedness !
May the wise among them wake up from any arrogance that has come in through the recent wave of prosperity - to think that the gods of wealth are pleased enough , that hinduism is ready to conquer !
Hope that all in the west too that have fallen for the seduction of newage would take notice ! If the roots of nazism with its wildfire spread of evil and hatred, in a land that had become ? lukewarm has not taugt the lesson well, may be these events would serve as reminders !
’ Our struggle is not against flesh and blood …’
Mary, help of Chritians , pray for us !
St.Thomas , pray for us !
Hope that the struggles and challenge of The Church in India ( somehow allowed - in His mysterious plans !) would be a time of purification and strengthening too - of deeper conversion of hearts at all levels - to mercy, to holiness as well as justice !
Mercy - through prayer for conversion of the satanically influenced …by ardent sharing of the Truth - of a Father’s love , for all - esp. the poor and oppressed ( and The Church alone has done much indeed and selflessly in this area for all of India !).
Holiness - in the area of fidelity to the truth of our faith and this in case there has been any lukewarmness…
If there has been the working of the seductive spirit and in the desire to please native cultures, there has been any compromise of The Truth - this esp.so in areas of holiness in marriage - issue of contraception ,abortions ! As much as destrucion of property in poor areas and violence is of the evil one , these events may help The Church to focus more on such issues as well … in destruction of what is lot more precious to God and should be for us too !
Justice - by calling those who are accountable in such matters to do their part …for sake of their own welfare too …a country sitting in the midst of two potential enemies …and Islam in the homeland that is also watching …India - the hindus, cannot afford to bring God’s judgements for wickedness !
May the wise among them wake up from any arrogance that has come in through the recent wave of prosperity - to think that the gods of wealth are pleased enough , that hinduism is ready to conquer !
Hope that all in the west too that have fallen for the seduction of newage would take notice ! If the roots of nazism with its wildfire spread of evil and hatred, in a land that had become ? lukewarm has not taugt the lesson well, may be these events would serve as reminders !
’ Our struggle is not against flesh and blood …’
Mary, help of Chritians , pray for us !
St.Thomas , pray for us !
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urban-hermit
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Amen Marymol !
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Derrickdcosta
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****Saturday, August 30, 2008
FR. THOMAS CHELLEN DESCRIBES THE ORISSA MOB ORDEALFr. Thomas Chellen, director of the pastoral center that was destroyed with a bomb, had a narrow escape after a Hindu mob nearly set him on fire. Currently undergoing treatment at a Catholic hospital in Orissa’s capital Bhubaneswar, Fr. Chellen had this horrifying experience to share with Catholic News Service:
“They had poured kerosene on my head, and one held a matchbox in his hands to light the fire. But thanks to divine providence, in the end, they did not do that. Otherwise, I would not have been there to tell this horror,” the 55-year-old priest, director of the pastoral center at Konjamendi in the Indian state of Orissa, told Catholic News Service in a telephone interview from his hospital bed Aug. 28.
When a Hindu mob of 500 people broke into the pastoral center around noon Aug. 24, Father Chellen said he fled through the backyard with another priest and a nun.
“It was heartbreaking for us to watch from a distance the entire complex go up in smoke,” said Father Chellen, who had supervised the construction of the center that opened in 2001 and could accommodate 200 people.
“They vandalized everything and set it on fire. It has been reduced to ashes,” he added.
As the three watched from a distance, some other priests told them to flee.
“We fled to the jungles and came in the night to take shelter in the house of a Hindu friend and spent the night there,” Father Chellen said, adding that the second priest left them to join other priests.
The following morning, he said, the Hindu family moved the priest and nun to an adjacent vacant house and locked it to give the impression that no one was inside.
However, the Hindu mobs overheard the priest speaking on his cell phone, broke into the room and dragged him and the nun outside.
“They began our crucifixion parade,” said Father Chellen. The gang of about 50 armed Hindus “beat us up and led us like culprits along the road” to the burned pastoral center.
“There they tore my shirt and started pulling off the clothes of the nun. When I protested, they beat me hard with iron rods. Later, they took the sister inside (and) raped her while they went on kicking and teasing me, forcing (me) to say vulgar words,” said the priest who has cuts, bruises and swollen tissue all over his body and stitches on his face.
“Later both of us, half-naked, were taken to the street, and they ordered me to have sex with the nun in public, saying nuns and priests do it. As I refused, they went on beating me and dragged us to the nearby government office. Sadly, a dozen policemen were watching all this,” he said.
Angry at his plea to the police for help, the mob beat the bleeding priest again.***
Later, a government official and members of the mob took the priest and the nun to the police station, where Father Chellen said he was kicked in the face.
“The four-hour ordeal ended when a senior police officer arrived in the evening,” said Father Chellen.
The priest said one of the most hurtful things about the incident was that some local Hindus whom he knew were watching the events and ignored his requests for help.
FR. THOMAS CHELLEN DESCRIBES THE ORISSA MOB ORDEALFr. Thomas Chellen, director of the pastoral center that was destroyed with a bomb, had a narrow escape after a Hindu mob nearly set him on fire. Currently undergoing treatment at a Catholic hospital in Orissa’s capital Bhubaneswar, Fr. Chellen had this horrifying experience to share with Catholic News Service:
“They had poured kerosene on my head, and one held a matchbox in his hands to light the fire. But thanks to divine providence, in the end, they did not do that. Otherwise, I would not have been there to tell this horror,” the 55-year-old priest, director of the pastoral center at Konjamendi in the Indian state of Orissa, told Catholic News Service in a telephone interview from his hospital bed Aug. 28.
When a Hindu mob of 500 people broke into the pastoral center around noon Aug. 24, Father Chellen said he fled through the backyard with another priest and a nun.
“It was heartbreaking for us to watch from a distance the entire complex go up in smoke,” said Father Chellen, who had supervised the construction of the center that opened in 2001 and could accommodate 200 people.
“They vandalized everything and set it on fire. It has been reduced to ashes,” he added.
As the three watched from a distance, some other priests told them to flee.
“We fled to the jungles and came in the night to take shelter in the house of a Hindu friend and spent the night there,” Father Chellen said, adding that the second priest left them to join other priests.
The following morning, he said, the Hindu family moved the priest and nun to an adjacent vacant house and locked it to give the impression that no one was inside.
However, the Hindu mobs overheard the priest speaking on his cell phone, broke into the room and dragged him and the nun outside.
“They began our crucifixion parade,” said Father Chellen. The gang of about 50 armed Hindus “beat us up and led us like culprits along the road” to the burned pastoral center.
“There they tore my shirt and started pulling off the clothes of the nun. When I protested, they beat me hard with iron rods. Later, they took the sister inside (and) raped her while they went on kicking and teasing me, forcing (me) to say vulgar words,” said the priest who has cuts, bruises and swollen tissue all over his body and stitches on his face.
“Later both of us, half-naked, were taken to the street, and they ordered me to have sex with the nun in public, saying nuns and priests do it. As I refused, they went on beating me and dragged us to the nearby government office. Sadly, a dozen policemen were watching all this,” he said.
Angry at his plea to the police for help, the mob beat the bleeding priest again.***
Later, a government official and members of the mob took the priest and the nun to the police station, where Father Chellen said he was kicked in the face.
“The four-hour ordeal ended when a senior police officer arrived in the evening,” said Father Chellen.
The priest said one of the most hurtful things about the incident was that some local Hindus whom he knew were watching the events and ignored his requests for help.
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Derrickdcosta
Guest
****HOW A 20 YEAR OLD GIRL WAS BURNT TO DEATH BY A CHEERING CROWD
Fr. Edward Sequeira, a priest belonging to the Society of Divine Word (SVD), was one of those who was seriously injured when his mission station was attacked by the mob in Orissa.
Currently recuperating at Burla Medical College Hospital, Sambalpur, Fr. Sequeira, upon gaining consciousness, narrated the story to his brother Commodore Valentine Sequeira who writes:
A large mob of more than 700 people were returning after attending the cremation of Swami Laxmananand Saraswati who was killed along with four others Saturday evening by suspected Maoist guerrillas at his Jalespata ashram.
The mob was chanting anti-Christian slogans and when they reached Padampur in Bargarh district, they attacked the orphanage where Fr Edward lived.
Ms. Rajni, a 20 year old student who lived in the orphanage and was also working as an auxiliary nurse in the orphanage confronted them.
When Fr Sequeira arrived at the spot, the mob locked him and Rajni into separate rooms, and ordered the children to vacate the orphanage. The mob then ransacked Fr Sequeira’s room, poured petrol on him, Rajni and set the orphanage on fire.
“I was engulfed in flames, I could hear the cries of Rajni and the mob was cheering and shouting through the windows,” recalls Fr Sequeira.
He however, managed to crawl to the bathroom, beat out the flames and closed the windows.
**
“When I started to suffocate I found a crack on the wall that was damaged in the attack and kept my nose there to breath some air. All the while I could hear the cries of Rajni from the next room where she was writhing in agony. After sometime, there was silence and I thought she must have managed to escape from the room,” recalled Fr Sequeira.
Unknown to Fr Edward, the girl was burnt alive and had breathed her last.**
People from the neighborhood who heard the cries of children rushed to the rescue, broke the walls and brought him to safety. That is when the mob attacked him again outside the orphanage and beat him up mercilessly till he became unconscious. He was initially rushed to the hospital at Padampur and later with the help of local officials was shifted to Burla Medical College Hospital, in Sambalpur.
Courtesy: orissaburning.blogspot.com
Fr. Edward Sequeira, a priest belonging to the Society of Divine Word (SVD), was one of those who was seriously injured when his mission station was attacked by the mob in Orissa.
Currently recuperating at Burla Medical College Hospital, Sambalpur, Fr. Sequeira, upon gaining consciousness, narrated the story to his brother Commodore Valentine Sequeira who writes:
A large mob of more than 700 people were returning after attending the cremation of Swami Laxmananand Saraswati who was killed along with four others Saturday evening by suspected Maoist guerrillas at his Jalespata ashram.
The mob was chanting anti-Christian slogans and when they reached Padampur in Bargarh district, they attacked the orphanage where Fr Edward lived.
Ms. Rajni, a 20 year old student who lived in the orphanage and was also working as an auxiliary nurse in the orphanage confronted them.
When Fr Sequeira arrived at the spot, the mob locked him and Rajni into separate rooms, and ordered the children to vacate the orphanage. The mob then ransacked Fr Sequeira’s room, poured petrol on him, Rajni and set the orphanage on fire.
“I was engulfed in flames, I could hear the cries of Rajni and the mob was cheering and shouting through the windows,” recalls Fr Sequeira.
He however, managed to crawl to the bathroom, beat out the flames and closed the windows.
**
“When I started to suffocate I found a crack on the wall that was damaged in the attack and kept my nose there to breath some air. All the while I could hear the cries of Rajni from the next room where she was writhing in agony. After sometime, there was silence and I thought she must have managed to escape from the room,” recalled Fr Sequeira.
Unknown to Fr Edward, the girl was burnt alive and had breathed her last.**
People from the neighborhood who heard the cries of children rushed to the rescue, broke the walls and brought him to safety. That is when the mob attacked him again outside the orphanage and beat him up mercilessly till he became unconscious. He was initially rushed to the hospital at Padampur and later with the help of local officials was shifted to Burla Medical College Hospital, in Sambalpur.
Courtesy: orissaburning.blogspot.com
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Derrickdcosta
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Picture of Rajni Majhi
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Derrickdcosta
Guest
Thanks,
Well said. I am in daily telephonic contact with Orissa, this violence is utterly Satanic, in ways we cannot begin to imagine. The world is silent, the United States is not even making a token voice to stop the murders and rapes.
But God is watching and vengeance belongs to our God
God bless
Derrick
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Derrickdcosta
Guest
To
His Excellency Murlidhar Chandrakant Bhandare
The Governor of Orissa
Bhubaneswar
Sir,
**In deep anguish and pain, We, the Christian Community of the Delhi and National Capital Region, submit this memorandum to you, and not to the Chief Minister of Orissa, because we believe that by not stopping the Ethnic Cleansing of Christians in Orissa in the last six days, he has abdicated his Constitutional duties to the Sangh Parivar and thereby has forfeited his right to be in Government. We therefore approach you, as the Constitutional Head of the State of Orissa and protector of the rights of the State’s citizens irrespective of their religion, caste or ethnic status, to restore sanity, peace, and the Rule of Law in the State, protect the life, liberty and property of the Christian community, specially in Kandhamal and other affected districts. **
As you know, in the last six days in the second wave of mass violence since Christmas 2007, almost a score of Christian men and women have been brutally killed in acts reminiscent of the massacre of the Sikhs in Delhi and other places in 1984, and of the Muslims in 1993 in Mumbai and 2002 in Gujarat.
**Nuns have been raped, pastors, Priests, religious workers injured in their hundreds. Over forty churches have been destroyed, many for the second time, apart from once again hundreds upon hundreds of houses burnt in towns, villages and forest settlements. Christians have been chased and hunted like animals. In case your intelligence apparatus has not briefed you properly, we attach herewith an incomplete list of the murder and mayhem in Orissa, as we gather data from the victims and the kin of the dead. **
There is no element of doubt as to who is the perpetrator of the
violence. It is the Sangh Parivar, and its component elements, the
Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, the Bajrang
Dal and the Vanvasi Kalyan Sangh, and especially groups connected with
the ashrams of the late VHP Vice president Lakshmanananda Saraswati.
VHP leaders, including Mr. Praveen Togadia have openly called for ethnic cleansing, and others have vowed not to rest from their bloody labours till they have rid Orissa of Christians.
The police have looked on for six months. They have often abetted in the violence and never intervened to save the hapless Christians and their institutions. Instead, the official machinery and the top policemen and bureaucrats have parroted the lies of the Hindutva Sangh Parivar and its narrow definition of religious nationalism to pin the blame of the acrimony on the Christians.
If the Chief minister and his government have forfeited their right to
govern, the Chief Secretary, the Home Secretary and the Director
General of Police have lost their right to be in active service. It is
a shame they continue to be in office, and speaks volumes for the
conspiracy between the Government, the coalition partner Bharatiya Janata party and the State official apparatus against the Christian community and the Christian Faith.
The state apparatus has failed thrice – to protect the Christians in
December 2007, to protect the late VHP leader and unravel the mystery of his murder, and then to once again protect the Christians facing annihilation in August 2008.
We therefore call upon you as Governor to:
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Code:
Write to the President of India to impose President’s Rule in Orissa, and that you take over the reigns of Governance so that peace is restored in Kandhamal and other districts. -
Code:
Immediately suspend not constables and junior officials, but the Chief Secretary, the Home Secretary and the Director General of Police for gross dereliction of duty, and for joining the conspiracy to wipe out Christians in Orissa. -
Code:
Hand over the Kandhamal district in particular to the Indian Army, which alone can restore the confidence of the victims. -
Code:
Trace the many people reported abducted, some feared dead or injured, in the last six days -
Code:
Bring back the tens of thousands of Christians Tribals and Dalit villagers hiding for their lives in the forests, most of them without food and adequate drinking water -
Code:
Hand over all investigations relating to the circumstances and course of violence to the Central Bureau of Investigations. The CBI should also investigate the murder of VHP leader Lakshmanananda Saraswati. -
Code:
Expand the terms of reference of the sitting Judicial Commission headed by Mr. Justice Basudeo Panigrahi to fix responsibility and culpability on government servants of all ranks, as also on guilty politicians. -
Code:
Grant exemplary compensation to the next of kin of the dead, and to the injured. Grant immediate relief and rehabilitation to the victims so that they can rebuild their homes, get back their jobs and resume normal human lives. -
Code:
Compensate the Church to rebuild and restore its religious,
10. Set up Fast Track criminal court to try those found guilty at all levels during all phases of the violence.
This alone will prove to the world that India remains a secular country, which gives Constitutional guarantees of the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the freedom of faith to its
citizens, and for its children, the right to food, education and a childhood without the trauma of terror and the fear of death,
Thank you
God bless you, and God bless Orissa
In prayer
The Christian Community of Delhi and the National Capital Region
Together with our brothers and sisters from other states.
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Derrickdcosta
Guest
****7 Month’s Pregnant, Kamalini Naik Cut into Pieces for Her Faith
As narrated by an independent writer:
orissaburning.blogspot.com/
geocities.com/pravin.togadiya/prayfororissa.html
Mrs. Kamalini Naik’s husband was asked to become a Hindu for which the fanatics threatened to kill his mother. Seeing his mother under their grip Mr. Naik denounced his faith.
Then they called his wife Kamalini Naik who was 7 months pregnant. She strongly stood for her faith in Christ and immediately the fanatics cut her into pieces and her one and half year son in front of her husband and other Christians.
As narrated by an independent writer:
orissaburning.blogspot.com/
geocities.com/pravin.togadiya/prayfororissa.html
Mrs. Kamalini Naik’s husband was asked to become a Hindu for which the fanatics threatened to kill his mother. Seeing his mother under their grip Mr. Naik denounced his faith.
Then they called his wife Kamalini Naik who was 7 months pregnant. She strongly stood for her faith in Christ and immediately the fanatics cut her into pieces and her one and half year son in front of her husband and other Christians.
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marymol
Guest
Thank you Mr.Dacosta , for the update !
Good thing the Bishops have done the consecration to The Immaculate Heart - as much horrible evil and violence is there , we can also be grateful for His presence and protection at many levels too !
svdmissions.org/site/PageServer?pagename=OrissaRiots
In His hands , all these too would be used to produce good fruit - of repentance , more conversions among those who see the violence and ugliness hidden in the despair and hoplelesness of paganism and atheism -and to bring out more mercy and holiness in God’s children !
Eternal Father , I offer Thee, the Most Precious Blood of Thy Divine Son Jesus, in union with all the Holy Mases all over the world, for all the souls in purgatory, for conversion of sinners everywhere, sinners in the Universal Church, in our own families and our own homes !
Peace
Good thing the Bishops have done the consecration to The Immaculate Heart - as much horrible evil and violence is there , we can also be grateful for His presence and protection at many levels too !
svdmissions.org/site/PageServer?pagename=OrissaRiots
In His hands , all these too would be used to produce good fruit - of repentance , more conversions among those who see the violence and ugliness hidden in the despair and hoplelesness of paganism and atheism -and to bring out more mercy and holiness in God’s children !
Eternal Father , I offer Thee, the Most Precious Blood of Thy Divine Son Jesus, in union with all the Holy Mases all over the world, for all the souls in purgatory, for conversion of sinners everywhere, sinners in the Universal Church, in our own families and our own homes !
Peace
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Maui71
Guest
Derrick,
Thank you for the updates. They are extremely sad and maddening. We must not forget to forgive and to pray. If we do not forgive and pray the sadness will turn to anger and anger leads to vengeance and then we stop being Christians.
Christ was beat, scourged and murdered and he did not bring forth lighting from heaven to smote his enemies nor did he bring down columns of fire to fry his captors. No, he asked his father to forgive them.
We most pray for the martyrs and those hurt and injured and their families but we must also pray for those causing death and destruction that they might find contrition and repentances.
Thanks again
Thank you for the updates. They are extremely sad and maddening. We must not forget to forgive and to pray. If we do not forgive and pray the sadness will turn to anger and anger leads to vengeance and then we stop being Christians.
Christ was beat, scourged and murdered and he did not bring forth lighting from heaven to smote his enemies nor did he bring down columns of fire to fry his captors. No, he asked his father to forgive them.
We most pray for the martyrs and those hurt and injured and their families but we must also pray for those causing death and destruction that they might find contrition and repentances.
Thanks again
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marymol
Guest
Was looking up into the history and culture of Orissa -seems a land of long history of wars …temples dedicated to gods of destrucion and lust …(the capital is named after siva ’ lord of the three worlds '!) and from where hinduism and buddhisma got exported to SE Asia !
Is The Word of God and The Fire of The Holy Spirit getting too close to the belly of the beast …
Come tourist season , hope all these news of violence would keep many of Chritian heritage (esp. from the west ) from coming in contact with any unholy influences from wanting to see the glory of the prince of this world , and avoid evil from lukewarmness of divided hearts !
Immaculate Heart of Mary pray for us !
May His Mercy be ever with us all and our own forefathers - for any and all sins of omission or commission that may have contributed to the persistent prevalence of paganism in our midst !
Is The Word of God and The Fire of The Holy Spirit getting too close to the belly of the beast …
Come tourist season , hope all these news of violence would keep many of Chritian heritage (esp. from the west ) from coming in contact with any unholy influences from wanting to see the glory of the prince of this world , and avoid evil from lukewarmness of divided hearts !
Immaculate Heart of Mary pray for us !
May His Mercy be ever with us all and our own forefathers - for any and all sins of omission or commission that may have contributed to the persistent prevalence of paganism in our midst !
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Deacon_Ed_B
Guest
Upon reading this I am numb and do not know what to say other than pray to and for these dead martyrs. Their reward is great. Pray for those left behind. Their suffering is great. Pray for the perpetrators, their punishment will be great and they need prayer. Pray that God’s infinite mercy and grace can turn this holocaust into seeds for the faith in this pagan and satanic land.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
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Derrickdcosta
Guest
Dear Deacon
Imagine how sad I must be to hear the news first hand and on a daily basis, how terribly sad the priests and nuns may be to repeat their painful and cruel stories. But there is no help for it, I thankfully can afford to call each day and just by listening share in their grief. Deacon these people as a old priest told me yesterday are mere flesh and blood like you and me, they are utterly innocent, they are our brothers and sisters, I literally have no words.
I only beg you to make people aware, the evil of these Hindu organisations is beyond macabre and satanic. Even Satan respects the authority of holiness and our religious.
God bless
Derrick
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Maybe peaceful coexistence could be more easily achieved if the Hindu religion did not regard some castes of people as less than dirt! How about we start the change there?
Instead of simply telling us how Christians are getting rich off converting Hindus, tell us what your ‘holy man’ did to help the “untouchables” to be respected in society. Man’s basic needs, in my opinion, include not just food and shelter but respect.
What person living a subhuman existence would not want to convert and be regarded as a child of God? The truth is that Christianity brought education and a higher standard of living to thousands of “untouchables” all over India, in addition to offering them equal opportunity for salvation.
Whatever Christian missionaries may or may not be guilty of, the people regarded as too low to sit anywhere higher than the ground (you and I know there are many regarded as such in India today) would still prefer their help any day to that of your ‘holy man’.
And that, Sir, is the plain truth.
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