Suspected Hindu militants burn orphanage, killing nun locked inside (CNA)

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I’d like to ask the writer of that article just why it is that conversions bring about social tensions? It can’t be the Christians who are upset about their own conversions, so it must be the Hindus, then. Why should they be upset about other peoples’ personal decisions?

So people are converting to Christianity. That’s called freedom of religion, freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom to be …Freedom didn’t end with throwing off the yoke of the British, that was just the start!

Anti-conversion laws will just get more people willing to give their lives and possessions to preach the Good News. My experience is that Christianity is only tepid and taken for granted in places where it isn’t challenged. Given some opposition and bully tactics, even the most lukewarm among us wake up and remember who we are.

The true Christian fight is different in two ways: it’s spiritual rather than physical and it’s never a losing battle. My advice to those seeking to calm social tensions would be to accept that fact sooner rather than later…
They have said they want to form a miltia and Im sure like all humans revenge will occur, and no one will say boo, becuase its just Hindus and does not fit the persecution ideal. Also christianity does not do as well under oppression as you would like to believe. Remember that at one time almost all of Northern Africa, and the Middle east were christian. Many of those people original were even converted by force of a christian emperor. Now they are all but gone a small but faithful fraction is all that remains in a see of Muslims.
 
They have said they want to form a miltia and Im sure like all humans revenge will occur, and no one will say boo, becuase its just Hindus and does not fit the persecution ideal. Also christianity does not do as well under oppression as you would like to believe. Remember that at one time almost all of Northern Africa, and the Middle east were christian. Many of those people original were even converted by force of a christian emperor. Now they are all but gone a small but faithful fraction is all that remains in a see of Muslims.
I’m sure they want a militia to defend themslelves, since the government obviously won’t.

The entire Christian religion started under persecution. It was persecuted by Rome for the first 300 years.
 
These people are defenseless and are being blamed for what is happening to them, can you imagine how this would be reported if they had guns and defended themselves? In all likelihood, the army would have already been called out to quell the ‘insurgency’…
This wouldn’t have happened if the mobs knew their victims were armed. Mobs are full of cowards.
 
Praying for the persecuted Christians in Orissa and all of India … they were in my Rosary intentions today.

:gopray:
 
They have said they want to form a miltia and Im sure like all humans revenge will occur, and no one will say boo, becuase its just Hindus and does not fit the persecution ideal.
I do not condone violence against any religious group, Christian or otherwise. If there were reports of Christian mobs killing innocent Hindus in the streets - I would condemn those just as strongly.

What I do not get, is the idea of conversions being offered as an excuse for the violence. How on earth does a person’s being converted constitute a capital offense?

If conversions upset Hindus so much, let them go out and preach their own religion too. There are many very rich Indians, let them compete with Christians in charitable outreach. That, would be fair.
Also christianity does not do as well under oppression as you would like to believe. Remember that at one time almost all of Northern Africa, and the Middle east were christian. Many of those people original were even converted by force of a christian emperor. Now they are all but gone a small but faithful fraction is all that remains in a see of Muslims.
Maybe you’re right, but forcible conversions would not be expected to have much staying power anyway. The idea of coming to Christ of one’s own free will, based on hearing the Word of God is what Christianity’s all about today (as it was in Jesus’ time on earth as well).
 
Maybe we should try toget the whole story beofre we jump to conclusions of christian oppresion. Here is an indian op-ed piece to help piece the big picture together.

dailypioneer.com/columnist1.asp?main_variable=Columnist&file_name=mitra326.txt&writer=MITRA&validit=yes
OK, Polaris, shoot: What are you taking from this article that suggests there is more of a “whole story” to the rape of a nun, the burning of churches, the immolation of a student nurse in an orphange?

Please tell us what you think the “whole story” is here. Is there something that can be revealed that helps us to understand how they “had it coming”?

Give me a break. You are so indoctrinated with the falacious idea that there is always “more to the story” and judgment should never be rendered because we always know that we don’t know…

But what does your link change? Are these Christians any less in camps? Are they any less dead? Are their churches maybe a smidge less burnt to the ground?
 
Maybe we should try toget the whole story beofre we jump to conclusions of christian oppresion. Here is an indian op-ed piece to help piece the big picture together.

dailypioneer.com/columnist1.asp?main_variable=Columnist&file_name=mitra326.txt&writer=MITRA&validit=yes
The Daily Pioneer is a right wing newspaper, no one is fooled by its so-called balanced coverage. It is a shame that Chandan Mitra ignores the widespread gang rapes, murders, burning alives and hatred and tries to divide Christians between Catholics and evangelicals when his followers make no such distinctions.
Even in the last riots the daily pioneer provided covering fire and in the current ethnic cleansing it published a false report of Christian arrests in connection with the Swami’s assasination that only exacerbrated the extreme and let me add state supported one-sided violence.
Sorry for being so blunt.
God bless’
Derrick
 
There is no “whole story”.

Mobs are killing and raping innocent people because they are Christians.

It is generally believed that Maoist rebels killed this man of whom the article speaks. Nevertheless, even if he was killed by Christians, that is no excuse to massacre other innocent Christians.

This situation is a disgrace to India. Where is the Army? I guarantee a few thousand troops deployed and a few dozen rioters shot, and this violence stops.
Absolutely shameful.
God Bless
No hindu rioter can ever be shot in Independent India, police have been effectively compromised.
God bless
Derrick
 
THE TRIBUNE REPORTS (SEPTEMBER 9, 2008)

KANDHAMAL CHRISTIANS UNDER ‘THREAT’ TO CONVERT

ADITI TANDON WRITES FROM KANDHAMAL

Several Christians in 11 blocks of the tribal districts are said to have been “forcibly converted” as Hindus in the past 17 days of mayhem; the rest say they are facing a choice between life and faith. …

“The radicals have told us that we can live here only as Hindus. They are giving deadlines to people to convert or be prepared to face the worst. They asked my family to fall in line by 8 pm on September 3. When we did not agree to convert, they razed our properties,” Jitender Digal, a refugee at Bijaya High School camp in Raikia block, told The Tribune.

In Kandhamal, minorities furnish proof of how “force and fear” is being used to deter people from their faith. Lalu Naik of Balliguda block shows this correspondent a letter whose text, he says, the radicals have framed for the Christians to follow.** Signed by Lalu’s father Babulal Naik and 10 members of his family, the letter reads: “Shrijukta Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) mahodaya (Respected VHP official), I was a Christian until now, but I voluntarily want to embrace Hinduism.” **The sample, claim refugees, is meant to facilitate Christians’ conversion to Hindu religion. Such letters have been floating around for a fortnight, with covert but stern messages to Christians to convert. The first targets in this “war” of conversion are pastors, now hiding in the relief camps by thousands. Three of them - Samuel Naik, Akhar Digal and Dibya Digal from Raikia and Udaygiri blocks - have already lost their lives in the recent violence. In each case, the killers first asked the victims if they were ready to become Hindus, say relatives.

Samuel Naik’s son Ramesh, who witnessed killings of his father and grandmother, recounts, “They gave three warnings to my father. When he refused to abandon his faith, they slaughtered him. My grandmother met the same fate.” Ramesh is now hiding at the G Udaygiri camp, while his mother Upojini Naik is at the Raikia relief camp, where over 200 pastors are seeking refuge.

We have lost faith in the system as close to 2,000 Christians have been converted."

VHP leaders for their part remain adamant as ever, claiming they will “do everything possible to protect the Hindu faith in Orissa.” Kabi Chandra Nath, who assumed charge of the Jalaspeta ashram after Laxmananda Saraswati’s death, goes to the extent of defending the radical stand, saying, “We are not converting anyone. We are simply bringing misguided followers back to the fold.” Never mind the cost.

tribuneindia.com/2008/20080909/nation.htm#4 retrieved on 9th September 2008

Still many like some on the forum will say we asked to be killed, maimed, raped and burnt alive.
 
Maybe we should try toget the whole story beofre we jump to conclusions of christian oppresion. Here is an indian op-ed piece to help piece the big picture together.

dailypioneer.com/columnist1.asp?main_variable=Columnist&file_name=mitra326.txt&writer=MITRA&validit=yes
Let me quote a little of your big picture
Chandan Mitra says “And, by the way, no nun was burnt to death; it was a Hindu woman who was unfortunately trapped in a hut set on fire by vandals. No wonder large numbers of Hindus, especially women, converged on a relief camp for Christians in Tiklabari in Kandhmal last Wednesday, demanding that either everybody get official relief or the Christians-only camp be shut.”
Wow! nearly 10% of the entire Christian community of Orissa is in camps or in the forest representing probably 50% of their entire population in Kandhamal. Yes the poor girl was not a nun but she was killed as if she was one she was taking care of the childen along with Fr Sequira SVD and burnt along with him.
And yes the hut (he was suggesting that Christians did the violence) I have attached a picture of the orphanage.
The children mainly girls, some children of lepers, some abandoned are safe no thanks to these terror groups.
And why do I really bother, because the whole article is a mass of lies, but I guarantee certain Hindus will believe it and go out and send some more money to these groups from your country.

God bless
Derrick
 
catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=13733

The Holy Father points to what is at the root of much discontent , not only among Christians but among people of all faiths ; this may be esp. so for immigrants - the youth of these other faiths who also face these challenges and become cynical and angry .

Yet, instead of seeing the answers through truth in faith , it is easy to mistakenly equate West with Christianity and thus try to justify their support of hate groups against Christians with the false hope that somehow it would recreate their fanatsy land , atleast in India !

True Christian ideals and life IS the answer to all of world’s difficult problems .

Hope that esp.those in authority who truly want what is good and right for their people would be helped to overcome all blindness and hardness of hearts and focus on bringing true peace .

Blessings !
 
Disgraceful.

Do citizens have the right to own firearms in India?

God Bless
Dear Bilop
There is a possibility of owning a licensed revolver with permission of the local police station. However, these arms are mostly confisticated particularly from minorities in the event of a riot.
The police is always quite partisan, for instance even though Muslims are nearly 13-14% of the population their representation in the indian police cadre is officially less than 4%.
The same with other minority groups barring the Sikh community whose participation in the Indian army is nearly 1/3rd even though they are nearly the same in number as Christians in India.
However, in the police which is the force people turn to in local emergencies is nearly exclusively hindu and getting more biased by the day.
Yesterday my priest friend in Orissa was telling me that nearly 400 christian families are considering moving out of an area that was exclusively Christian a while back. The fear psychosis seems to be the cause, but I seriously wonder when the US government keeps getting all the reports from the ground and yet they support in a massive the very countries like India or Pakistan who commit all these atrocities. Italy having virtually no resources and the Holy Father have both spoken up but there are few worldwide who do so.

God bless
Derrick
 

India and Religious Persecution
aina.org/news/20080911045113.htm
By Doug Bandow
www.spectator.org

Doug Bandow is the Senior Fellow in International Religious Persecution at the Institute on Religion and Public Policy. He is also a Fellow at the American Conservative Defense Alliance and the author of Foreign Follies: America’s New Global Empire (Xulon Press).
 
Dear Bilop
There is a possibility of owning a licensed revolver with permission of the local police station. However, these arms are mostly confisticated particularly from minorities in the event of a riot.
The police is always quite partisan, for instance even though Muslims are nearly 13-14% of the population their representation in the indian police cadre is officially less than 4%.
The same with other minority groups barring the Sikh community whose participation in the Indian army is nearly 1/3rd even though they are nearly the same in number as Christians in India.
However, in the police which is the force people turn to in local emergencies is nearly exclusively hindu and getting more biased by the day.
Yesterday my priest friend in Orissa was telling me that nearly 400 christian families are considering moving out of an area that was exclusively Christian a while back. The fear psychosis seems to be the cause, but I seriously wonder when the US government keeps getting all the reports from the ground and yet they support in a massive the very countries like India or Pakistan who commit all these atrocities. Italy having virtually no resources and the Holy Father have both spoken up but there are few worldwide who do so.

God bless
Derrick
That’s a real shame. Just goes to show a “democracy” is not the same as a “republic”. Evidently the Indian government onlt cares about Hindus.

I am starting to think the U.S. should have a policy. If a country does not grant ALL its people freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of commerce (ability to earn a living), we will have nothing to do with them.

No trade, no relations, no aid, nothing. I guess we’d have to achieve energy independence first, but if we did so, and the EU joined in, Wow, would the world change fast.

I will continue to pray for the Indian Christians.

God Bless
 
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