Syro Malabar Bishop states, "Knanaya Diocese was a mistake by the Holy See"?

[Jack007]

You can inform the major archbishop about this.

This link gives you mailto links.

this is
his facebook page.

 

[IAM2014]

To each his own opinion but this community is said to have been based off the Old testament whereas practices such as endogamy were permitted. What you must understand is, it is only an ethnic community practice. Knanaya is an ethnic community, our church is the Syro Malabar Church. Anyone can follow Syro Malabar Catholicism, endogamy only plays apart in when in consideration to the Knanaya Community itself. In this way the Church and the community are split. The Knanaya Community and our religion are completely different topics.

It is divine teaching that under our God we must spread our religion and invite all to our Church, I completely agree with you on that but no where does it say that we must invite all into our man-made organizations. In example, the Knanaya Archdiocese has always fervently evangelized for the Syro Malabar Church and established many missionary societies but in order to be considered apart of the Knanaya Community, one must be born of both Knanaya parents and follow endogamy. Once again a split between “church” and “community”. Anyone can worship in a Syro Malabar Church and become Syro Malabar Catholic but no one can become a member of the Knanaya Community besides being conceived as one. Following up on this, the Knanaya Community is a man-made organization and the Syro Malabar Church is divine. Yes, some may dub us a “church” because of numerous ecclesiastical structures named “Knanaya Catholic” but once again in factual view it is only a community.

In a simpler example, lets say you created a group called the “red hat group” which only allowed members with red hats. According to our faith it does not say you have to invite everyone to the red hat group, it is your personal choice who gets to be in this group because you created it and it is a man-mad organization. What our divine teaching does say is that you have to invite and accept everyone into the Catholic Faith because the Catholic Faith is based on God’s word and there can be no alteration to that. So lets say one day the authorities from the Catholic Church tell you how to run and organize the red hat group which you created and has nothing to do with them. Does that make any sense? This is exactly what is happening to the Knanaya diaspora outside their ancestral home of Kerala, India.

THOMAS are you basically saying that God has no place or say in your community? you just said that the knanaya community is based on old testament principles where endogamy was permitted. however you also stated that the knanaya community is split from the roman catholic church, which preaches the bible which contains the old testament. Therefore the community and the church CANNOT BE split and certainly not two different topics ( not even the Jews believe that).

if the community practices are based on biblical teachings then it should also stand that the biblical teaching should have precedence over community practices.

 

[Jack007]

THOMAS are you basically saying that God has no place or say in your community?

Knanaya are validly baptised christians. God is very important to them. they strive to live according to the principles laid out in the bible.

you just said that the knanaya community is based on old testament principles where endogamy was permitted.

No. it just,like other catholics, interprets the new testament in light of the old.

however you also stated that the knanaya community is split from the roman catholic church, which preaches the bible which contains the old testament.

split???
and there is no rcc, just the cc. that is, atleast what i find in the vatican website.

Therefore the community and the church CANNOT BE split and certainly not two different topics ( not even the Jews believe that).

what do you mean?

if the community practices are based on biblical teachings then it should also stand that the biblical teaching should have precedence over community practices

try to understand endogamy like this, think of them as people from different countries.

and do you know how much knanaya are facing difficulties? that their culture is fading?

And i do not mean this to be a personal attack, but,

you have joined on 10th. today it is 16th. you have three posts. all of them in this thread, where you show a rather negative view of the community.

 

[SyroMalankara]

In general I am very support of a minority group to have as much access, parishes, clergy as possible. My only concern with the Knanaya community is its refusal to accept converts. Even Jewish people, who’s practices are repeatedly cited by Knanaya to bolster endogamy, always accept conversions! Jesus wouldn’t have come to us the way he did without some converts from outside being accepted into Judaism - Ruth, Rahab, Jethro, Naaman, etc.

 

[IAM2014]

Knanaya are validly baptised christians. God is very important to them. they strive to live according to the principles laid out in the bible. No. it just,like other catholics, interprets the new testament in light of the old. split???
and there is no rcc, just the cc. that is, atleast what i find in the vatican website.what do you mean?

try to understand endogamy like this, think of them as people from different countries.

and do you know how much knanaya are facing difficulties? that their culture is fading?

And i do not mean this to be a personal attack, but,

you have joined on 10th. today it is 16th. you have three posts. all of them in this thread, where you show a rather negative view of the community.

sorry brother, but my joining date is not relevant in this. lets please stick to the topic.
i dont think you even understand what i am trying to say brother. my point is very clear, all i am saying is that a christian’s life is based on what the new testament teaches. the mind and the judgement should be to unite christians. if you make up a community which does not allow converts then what is the purpose of being a christian. the knanaya community today is not even following endogamy mentioned in the old testament.

think of it this way…a CHRISTIAN community, which is saying we follow the bible and we follow the same god and teaches. however , they have their community which doesn’t allow other Christians because they are not the same blood? …not even the JEWS did that. Jesus wouldn’t have been born if that was the case. even we Indians or other communities do that. we accept Christians into our community even if they are from different ethnic group. this is called LOVE.

knanaya community is suffering because it is meant to suffer because of their own actions. why is the Syro Malabar community and other communities flourishing? we haven’t lost our traditions or culture. PRIDE on traditions or culture isn’t right according to the bible.

 

[IAM2014]

In general I am very support of a minority group to have as much access, parishes, clergy as possible. My only concern with the Knanaya community is its refusal to accept converts. Even Jewish people, who’s practices are repeatedly cited by Knanaya to bolster endogamy, always accept conversions! Jesus wouldn’t have come to us the way he did without some converts from outside being accepted into Judaism - Ruth, Rahab, Jethro, Naaman, etc.

exactly

 

[Thomas48]

Dear Friends,

I will earnestly try to bring this point to light to the best of my ability, there is no “Knanaya Catholic Church” only the Knanaya Catholic Community. The Knanaya readily accept converts and evangelize for the churches we are apart of, which are the** Syro Malabar Church and Syriac Orthodox Church.** The Knanaya ethnic community which spans across both the Syriac Orthodox and Syro Malabar Church is oriented in every way possible when concerning duties to the church and ministry.

The community however, is Catholic and Orthodox in faith but Knanaya in culture. Knanaya culture means practicing numerous age old traditions as well as the major faccet of endogamy within our community. Now if the Knanaya community does everything appropriate and moral according to our faith, why does it matter how we run our personal community?

The major foundation of Christianity is to spread the gospel and word of our Lord Jesus Christ to all corners of the Earth, which the Knanaya Community readily does. So does it really matter that we share Knanaya tradition (in which only Knanayas are apart of to begin with) to other people? Knanaya tradition is for the Knanaya people, there is no one out there from a different community asking to become Knanaya.

In an example, lets say there was a Catholic Arts Group apart of the greater Catholic Church that you and some friends created. The group requires certain requisites to join, in example holding a bachelors of arts. If people do not hold the pre-described requisites, they cannot join this group. Also if existing members loose interest in following the Arts they are advised to leave the group. Is there anything wrong with such a group existing within the Catholic Church? Is it against God that this group only invites those who meet certain pre-requisites? If this group follows all of Gods teaching and regularly invites all individuals to the greater community (The Catholic Church), I personally see no harm in its existence.

In this same way the Knanaya Christians regularly invite all to the Syro Malabar and Syriac Orthodox Community but reserve membership to the Knanaya Community. Does it say anywhere in our Lords teaching that we are not allowed to have private communities within the greater community? If this was the case there would be no groups within the greater Catholic Church.

 

[SyroMalankara]

Dear Friends,

I will earnestly try to bring this point to light to the best of my ability, there is no “Knanaya Catholic Church” only the Knanaya Catholic Community. The Knanaya readily accept converts and evangelize for the churches we are apart of, which are the** Syro Malabar Church and Syriac Orthodox Church.** The Knanaya ethnic community which spans across both the Syriac Orthodox and Syro Malabar Church is oriented in every way possible when concerning duties to the church and ministry.

The community however, is Catholic and Orthodox in faith but Knanaya in culture. Knanaya culture means practicing numerous age old traditions as well as the major faccet of endogamy within our community. Now if the Knanaya community does everything appropriate and moral according to our faith, why does it matter how we run our personal community?

The major foundation of Christianity is to spread the gospel and word of our Lord Jesus Christ to all corners of the Earth, which the Knanaya Community readily does. So does it really matter that we share Knanaya tradition (in which only Knanayas are apart of to begin with) to other people? Knanaya tradition is for the Knanaya people, there is no one out there from a different community asking to become Knanaya.

In an example, lets say there was a Catholic Arts Group apart of the greater Catholic Church that you and some friends created. The group requires certain requisites to join, in example holding a bachelors of arts. If people do not hold the pre-described requisites, they cannot join this group. Also if existing members loose interest in following the Arts they are advised to leave the group. Is there anything wrong with such a group existing within the Catholic Church? Is it against God that this group only invites those who meet certain pre-requisites? If this group follows all of Gods teaching and regularly invites all individuals to the greater community (The Catholic Church), I personally see no harm in its existence.

Of course it is possible for anyone to earn a BA, and join if they wish… but apparently there are people who are Knanaya married to non-Knanaya asking to join your Community who are being refused. I’ll give you a better example. Would it be ok for there to be a church group for those with BA and interest in Art, but they can only join if they were married to a White European wife. Anyone with a BA, interest in Art, and an Indian, Black, Latina, etc wife is not allowed to join. Of course, they are welcome to start their own group; they are welcome to listen to talks, but they cannot become a member.

 

[Thomas48]

Of course it is possible for anyone to earn a BA, and join if they wish… but apparently there are people who are Knanaya married to non-Knanaya asking to join your Community who are being refused.

Yes this is impossible because the individual married out and thus transferred his membership because of the exogamous marriage. Viewing my example remember that I wrote “Also if existing members loose interest in following the Arts they are advised to leave the group”, pertaining to if existing Knanayas do not wish to follow endogamy they are advised to leave. Notice I wrote advised, the existing Knanaya may stay at the Knanaya Church but since his spouse was never Knanaya to begin with she cannot become a member of the church. So for the sake of family unity we advise those Knanayas who marry Non-Knanaya to join the Church of his/her spouse where they can receive the same exact sacraments. From the words of Metropolitan Mar Matthew Moolakkatt, “Join where you can join”, meaning since your Non-Knanaya spouse cannot join the Knanaya Church you should keep unity and join her Church.

A Knanaya is always Knanaya til death but since his/her Non-Knanaya spouse cannot join the Knanaya Community, the existing Knanaya gives up his membership to join the Church of the spouse. There have been situations where a Knanaya who married a Non-Knanaya and sadly had a divorce or the spouse dies, remarries a Knanaya and returns to Kottayam Diocese. So in all technicality, no one is “forced” to give up there membership but for the sake of family unity they join the church of there Non-Knanaya spouse, this is how Kottayam Archdiocese works under the canons of the Catholic Church. Our community may be endogamous and our archdiocese may be only for the Knanaya people but no one is forced to leave. Any Knanaya that states a Knanaya person who marries out is forced to leave and no longer Knanaya does not know the proper definition. Yes it is a fact that his or her spouse/children can never be Knanaya but the individual always remains Knanaya till death. It is often easier to say that this individual is no longer Knanaya because in technicality his/her line cannot continue in our community and also the fact that the Knanaya Community is very Church oriented and this individuals church membership has been transferred to that of his spouses.

 

[SyroMalankara]

A Knanaya is always Knanaya til death but since his/her Non-Knanaya spouse cannot join the Knanaya Community, the existing Knanaya gives up his membership to join the Church of the spouse. There have been situations where a Knanaya who married a Non-Knanaya and sadly had a divorce or the spouse dies, remarries a Knanaya and returns to Kottayam Diocese. So in all technicality, no one is “forced” to give up there membership but for the sake of family unity they join the church of there Non-Knanaya spouse, this is how Kottayam Archdiocese works under the canons of the Catholic Church. Our community may be endogamous and our archdiocese may be only for the Knanaya people but no one is forced to leave. Any Knanaya that states a Knanaya person who marries out is forced to leave and no longer Knanaya does not know the proper definition. Yes it is a fact that his or her spouse/children can never be Knanaya but the individual always remains Knanaya till death. It is often easier to say that this individual is no longer Knanaya because in technicality his/her line cannot continue in our community and also the fact that the Knanaya Community is very Church oriented and this individuals church membership has been transferred to that of his spouses.

Don’t you see how everyone else views this as a strange anomaly, not to be emulated? No other Church is allowed the privilege of refusing to allow spouses and children based on (choose any which you believe to be exclusively Knanaya) ??race, ethnicity, tradition, custom??

 

[Thomas48]

Don’t you see how everyone else views this as a strange anomaly, not to be emulated? No other Church is allowed the privilege of refusing to allow spouses and children based on (choose any which you believe to be exclusively Knanaya) ??race, ethnicity, tradition, custom??

My dear friend, it is simply the definition of endogamy. Because of endogamy many communities world wide have been able to protect and preserve their culture over the centuries. Through endogamy the Knanaya Community has maintained so many wonderful customs, songs, and ceremonies that are distinct only to us.

I say this in sadness but the user Jack previously posted, “why arent these practiced by other st thomas christians” when I sent him a link to Knanaya customs. I would like to ask where are the social customs of the Thomas Christians? Besides Pesaha (and thats even iffy), I cannot name a single social/community tradition that the Thomas Christians practice universally. Because of inculturation on a great scale, the community traditions and culture of the Thomas Christians has basically disappeared. It is very sad because history notes that the Thomas Christians had numerous customs. Apart from religious background, I do not know what difference the Thomas Christian community of today has from other Malayalees.

Because of endogamy the Knanaya culture has endured, yes many may think endogamy is a bad thing but because of it we still practice those customs our forefathers gave to us centuries ago. Which other community has such ceremonies like “Mylanchi Ideel” (beautification of the bride) and “Chandam Charthal” (beautification of the groom), among others. They are so enticing and wonderful to attend, in example like many others the Mylanchi Ideel is based off of the Old Testament. It is stated that Eve with her feet walked to the tree and with her hand picked the fruit of the vine. Because of this, henna is smeared on the hands and feet of the bride to purify her of the original sin passed by Eve. Along with this so many Knanaya songs are narrations of the Old Testament. One example is the ballad Maran Arul (By the Lords Command) which is an ancient song which narrates the creation of Adam.

Link to the Ballad
devaragam.com/vbscript/Wi…ord=t&var=2735

Malayalam

1. māŕānarul ceytīlōkēyannu nìravēri
2. ḕrrinalguṇaṅṅalellāṁ bhramimēlorēṭaṁ
3. orumayuṭayōǹ pērumakoṇḍu karuti maṇpiṭičču
4. piṭičča karuvilaṭakkam nēṭi pùrattu tukal potińńu
5. tukalakmē cōranīrum elluṁ māṁsadhatukkal
6. bhratikaḷkku vātilańǰum navadvāraṅṅaḷāyattu
7. raṇḍāṭu nālum nāluviralkku čuvappunakhaṇḍal pattu
8. pattuṭayoǹèrayakattuṭayōnāya koṭuttuṇarttyōrātmāvum
9. ātmāvum koṭuttu perumiṭṭōrābhamennu
10. enašēšaminniččāllāmunniniṇḍaḷ kēḷppin

English
1.By the command of the Lord, man (world-dweller) was made
2,endowed with all qualities out of chaos
3.came unity. To prepare for the birth He grasped mud
4.and with a tool shaped it into a mass.
5.Within it the blood flowed and the muscles were arrayed.
6.For prosperity God’s place was housed amid the nine apertures.
7.Two hands, ten fingers with nails all red
8.the ten all afire, and the dancing soul was granted.
9.The soul bestowed, powerful Adam
10.without hesitation made heard the very first words.

These are only a few examples of Knanaya Culture that we have maintained over the ages of our existence. In truth I think endogamy, whatever its roots may be, is such a blessing to my community and all other communities who practice it. Sure our origins are not so clear but Knanaya culture is set in stone and has been preserved for centuries. You wrote “choose what is exclusive to Knanayas” , I do not understand how these customs and traditions are not exclusive to Knanayas. Which other communities practice such customs? Surely the Thomas Christians do not, it is historically known that they looked down upon us because of our practices.

 

[Peter_J]

sorry brother, but my joining date is not relevant in this. lets please stick to the topic.
i dont think you even understand what i am trying to say brother. my point is very clear, all i am saying is that a christian’s life is based on what the new testament teaches. the mind and the judgement should be to unite christians. if you make up a community which does not allow converts then what is the purpose of being a christian. the knanaya community today is not even following endogamy mentioned in the old testament.

think of it this way…a CHRISTIAN community, which is saying we follow the bible and we follow the same god and teaches. however , they have their community which doesn’t allow other Christians because they are not the same blood? …not even the JEWS did that. Jesus wouldn’t have been born if that was the case. even we Indians or other communities do that. we accept Christians into our community even if they are from different ethnic group. this is called LOVE.

knanaya community is suffering because it is meant to suffer because of their own actions. why is the Syro Malabar community and other communities flourishing? we haven’t lost our traditions or culture. PRIDE on traditions or culture isn’t right according to the bible.

IAM2014, I think you’ve gotten the wrong idea. Many of us here, myself included, are skeptical of Knanaya community on these matters.

 

[Jack007]

sorry brother, but my joining date is not relevant in this. lets please stick to the topic.

erm…, ok;

my point is very clear, all i am saying is that a christian’s life is based on what the new testament teaches.

yes

the mind and the judgement should be to unite christians.

yes

if you make up a community which does not allow converts then what is the purpose of being a christian.

who said that the community does not acept converts?

the knanaya community today is not even following endogamy mentioned in the old testament

. what do you mean?

think of it this way…a CHRISTIAN community, which is saying we follow the bible and we follow the same god and teaches.

yes

however , they have their community which doesn’t allow other Christians because they are not the same blood?

or because they are not of the same culture …

Jesus wouldn’t have been born if that was the case.

endogamy prevents incarnation and thus limits the powers of God?

even we Indians or other communities do that. we accept Christians into our community even if they are from different ethnic group. this is called LOVE.

yes

knanaya community is suffering because it is meant to suffer because of their own actions.

its actions-you mean endogamy? could you give 3 verses from the bible or ccc which says that endogamy is wrong.

why is the Syro Malabar community and other communities flourishing?

do you call a church unablr to minister its believers in the middle east and north india, sidelined by politically active races, flourishing?

we haven’t lost our traditions or culture.

we not them

PRIDE on traditions or culture isn’t right according to the bible.

proof? could you give the verses?

 

[Thomas48]

The Syro Malabar Synod has made a decision! Knanaya Catholics have restored endogamous rights in North America! We have not seen an official copy of the agreement but it is said to have the signature of Major Archbishop Maran Mar George Alencherry, Metropolitan Mar Matthew Moolakkattu, and Bishop Mar Jacob Angadiath. It seems as apart of the decree, the St. Thomas Syro Malabar Diocese of Chicago is asking all Knanaya Catholic Parishes for an official membership list.

It Summarizes Three Points:

1. Knanaya parishes are only for Knanaya people.
2. If a Knanaya marries out he/she may stay a member of the Knanaya parish if they so choose.
3. The Non-Knanaya spouse and children will remain at the Non-Knanaya Parish.

This is more than enough but I pray there was no politics/etc in this letter and that it is factual. We still have not seen the actual copy, I will be more than happy to clarify the validity of this document if I see it. It seems the communities prayers have been answered and we can finally put this almost thirty year battle to rest. The closest thing I have to proof is this news article from Kottayam Archeparchy stating that the “Knanaya Assembly Appreciate Personal Parishes for Knanaya Catholics”.

kottayamad.org/assembly-appreciates-personal-parish-for-knanaya-catholics/

 

[Jack007]

The Syro Malabar Synod has made a decision! Knanaya Catholics have restored endogamous rights in North America! We have not seen an official copy of the agreement but it is said to have the signature of Major Archbishop Maran Mar George Alencherry, Metropolitan Mar Matthew Moolakkattu, and Bishop Mar Jacob Angadiath. It seems as apart of the decree, the St. Thomas Syro Malabar Diocese of Chicago is asking all Knanaya Catholic Parishes for an official membership list.

It Summarizes Three Points:

1. Knanaya parishes are only for Knanaya people.
2. If a Knanaya marries out he/she may stay a member of the Knanaya parish if they so choose.
3. The Non-Knanaya spouse and children will remain at the Non-Knanaya Parish.

This is more than enough but I pray there was no politics/etc in this letter and that it is factual. We still have not seen the actual copy, I will be more than happy to clarify the validity of this document if I see it. It seems the communities prayers have been answered and we can finally put this almost thirty year battle to rest. The closest thing I have to proof is this news article from Kottayam Archeparchy stating that the “Knanaya Assembly Appreciate Personal Parishes for Knanaya Catholics”.

kottayamad.org/assembly-appreciates-personal-parish-for-knanaya-catholics/

Psalm 117

Praise the Lord, all you nations!
Extol him, all you peoples!
For great is his steadfast love towards us,
and the faithfulness of the Lord endures for ever.
Praise the Lord!

 

[Jack007]

I say this in sadness but the user Jack previously posted, “why arent these practiced by other st thomas christians” when I sent him a link to Knanaya customs. I would like to ask where are the social customs of the Thomas Christians?

in present, little if any

Besides Pesaha (and thats even iffy), I cannot name a single social/community tradition that the Thomas Christians practice universally. Because of inculturation on a great scale, the community traditions and culture of the Thomas Christians has basically disappeared. It is very sad because history notes that the Thomas Christians had numerous customs. Apart from religious background, I do not know what difference the Thomas Christian community of today has from other Malayalees.

yes, this is distressing.

Link to the Ballad
devaragam.com/vbscript/Wi…ord=t&var=2735

Malayalam

1. māŕānarul ceytīlōkēyannu nìravēri
2. ḕrrinalguṇaṅṅalellāṁ bhramimēlorēṭaṁ
3. orumayuṭayōǹ pērumakoṇḍu karuti maṇpiṭičču
4. piṭičča karuvilaṭakkam nēṭi pùrattu tukal potińńu
5. tukalakmē cōranīrum elluṁ māṁsadhatukkal
6. bhratikaḷkku vātilańǰum navadvāraṅṅaḷāyattu
7. raṇḍāṭu nālum nāluviralkku čuvappunakhaṇḍal pattu
8. pattuṭayoǹèrayakattuṭayōnāya koṭuttuṇarttyōrātmāvum
9. ātmāvum koṭuttu perumiṭṭōrābhamennu
10. enašēšaminniččāllāmunniniṇḍaḷ kēḷppin

English
1.By the command of the Lord, man (world-dweller) was made
2,endowed with all qualities out of chaos
3.came unity. To prepare for the birth He grasped mud
4.and with a tool shaped it into a mass.
5.Within it the blood flowed and the muscles were arrayed.
6.For prosperity God’s place was housed amid the nine apertures.
7.Two hands, ten fingers with nails all red
8.the ten all afire, and the dancing soul was granted.
9.The soul bestowed, powerful Adam
10.without hesitation made heard the very first words.

the link does not work, but i know malayalm very well for my age and the translation is perfect.

Surely the Thomas Christians do not, it is historically known that they looked down upon us because of our practices.

then i change that history by looking up to the knanaya culture and traditions.

 

[Thomas48]

Thank you for your continued support, this link should work to the song “Maran Arul”

devaragam.com/vbscript/WimpyPlayer_ext.aspx?ord=t&var=2735

 

[Vico]

The Syro Malabar Synod has made a decision! Knanaya Catholics have restored endogamous rights in North America! We have not seen an official copy of the agreement but it is said to have the signature of Major Archbishop Maran Mar George Alencherry, Metropolitan Mar Matthew Moolakkattu, and Bishop Mar Jacob Angadiath. It seems as apart of the decree, the St. Thomas Syro Malabar Diocese of Chicago is asking all Knanaya Catholic Parishes for an official membership list.

It Summarizes Three Points:

1. Knanaya parishes are only for Knanaya people.
2. If a Knanaya marries out he/she may stay a member of the Knanaya parish if they so choose.
3. The Non-Knanaya spouse and children will remain at the Non-Knanaya Parish.

This is more than enough but I pray there was no politics/etc in this letter and that it is factual. We still have not seen the actual copy, I will be more than happy to clarify the validity of this document if I see it. It seems the communities prayers have been answered and we can finally put this almost thirty year battle to rest. The closest thing I have to proof is this news article from Kottayam Archeparchy stating that the “Knanaya Assembly Appreciate Personal Parishes for Knanaya Catholics”.

kottayamad.org/assembly-appreciates-personal-parish-for-knanaya-catholics/

Was it an indult from canon law for Knanaya ascribed to Syro-Malabar and Syro-Malankara sui iuris churches?CCEO Canon 33
A wife is at liberty to transfer to the Church of the husband at the celebration of or during the marriage; when the marriage has ended, she can freely return to the original Church sui iuris.

 

[Jack007]

Thank you for your continued support

you are welcome, but you should not thank me, i was just doing my duty. and i like to do it too, as i like the knanaya culture very much and feel sad when it is suppressed and oppressed and criticised.

 

[Miserissima]

I can only display my ignorance in my questions.

Knaynaya Catholics are endogenous, correct?

Outside of conversions from a larger (similar) ethnic pool, how do the generations continue, especially in a different country than where the church originated?