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Fr Kuriakose Elias OF Chavara (he used to be known simply as Fr Kuriakose and he was known to be from Chavara; it is a very recent addition to add Chavara to his name) was trained as a Latin Rite priest. The Carmelites helped him start a new Carmelite Order for locals, CMI. From then on everyone who trained in his order came to be known as Syrian Rite priests. He was the first one to start schools and other institutions following in the steps of British CMS and LMS missionaries.
Since I had expanded TOCD as Travancore Order of Carmelites Discalced in one of my earlier posts, here the correction.

TOCD = Third Order of Carmelites Discalced

From 1657 to 1838, Malabar Coast had two Catholic jurisdictions - Portuguese Padroado from the time of Portuguese arrival in 1500 and Papal Congregation of Propaganda Fide from 1657 to 1887. Portuguese Padroado was suppressed in 1838, and Latin Rite See of Cochin was handed over to Latin Rite Vicariate of Veropoly (Papal Congregation of Propaganda Fide). The Syrian Rite vicariate of Thrissur, as continuation of See of Cranganore was established in 1887.

St Kuriakose (Cyriac) Elias was born in Chennankari, Alleppey District, on 10 February 1805. His family was originally from Chavara, fourteen km north of Kollam.

He entered the seminary at Pallipuram and was ordained in 1829 at Arthunkal and celebrated his First Holy Mass at Chennankari Church. Bishop Maurillo Staballinni OCD, was then Apostolic Vicar of Malabar/Veropoly.

In 1831, he became co-founder of a religious community, first known as Congregation of the Servants of Mary Immaculate of Mount Carmel, by laying the foundation stone for the first monastery at Mannanam, near Kottayam. He made his profession along with ten others in 1855 and become the superior. He took the name of Kuriakose Elias of the Holy Family.

In 1861, this religious community was affiliated to the Carmelite Order as a Religious Congregation of Third Order of Carmelites Discalced, TOCD. It was granted Pontifical status in 1885. **The name of the Congregation was changed to C.M.I. (Carmelites of Mary Immaculate) in 1958.
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In collaboration with Fr. Leopold Beccaro, OCD (his spiritual guide and confessor since 1864), Blessed Kuriakose, founded the first Religious Congregation for women in Kerala, the Congregation of the Mother of Carmel (C.M.C.), in 1866.

The congregation was involved in intense missionary work, preaching retreats in Catholic parishes and started seminaries for training clergy. The first Catholic school and first Catholic press was set up at Mannanam, Kottayam in 1846 by Blessed Kuriakose. The first English medium school was started in Mannanam 1885 by this congregation.

*The Syrian Rite Vicariate of Kottayam was formed in 1887. So it can be rightly claimed that Blessed Kuriakose Elias prepared the groundwork for the Syrian Rite vicariate of Kottayam in 1887, although he passed away in 1871. The two congregations he had founded, one for men and the other for women, was very active in missionary work and education. *
 
Mr SyroMalankara, my statement was in defense of keeping Church and State separate. Much evil has been done in the name of religion by some religious leaders who held worldly power at the same time. This happened in times when monarchs ruled kingdoms and religious leaders worked closely with them or in many cases were drawn from the ruling class. The lines separating the ruling class and priests were fluid. And history shows that rigid feudalistic, heirarchical societies were created. They were dismantled in most parts of the world only at the end of Second World War.

A secular democracy which allows freedom of religion for all is the best form of government. A politician can always be voted out of power if he misuses his power. A true democracy allows for criticism of political leaders at all times. Ordinary people can influence the laws that are made in the land and can intervene to overturn unjust laws. But such freedom does not exist among religious leaders. By its very nature, religion has a set of rules that must be adhered to and only priests can change them. They can never be questioned. This opens the door to passivity on the part of followers and misuse of power by religious leaders. That is not to say that is how religions were meant to be. It was definitely not how Jesus Christ meant it to be. But fallible priests and religious leaders can make it that way.

Take for example how you wanted to contact my parish priest because I wrote aspects of history of Christianity in Kerala which did not fit your idea of what is REAL history! And don’t forgot there has been such militant activism here by your supporters who demand that all dioceses in Kerala should submit to their particular demands of what dress should be worn and what sort of practice should be adopted by any church. Such authoritarian behaviour is more common among religious leaders. Hence they should not be allowed to hold political office in a multi-religious society. What does a priest have to do with worldly politics and worldly money making businesses anyway?

In an earlier post regarding the same, in response to your claim that there was no difference between church and state and that the separation was a Protestant idea, I showed you how Jesus Christ Himself taught that one should give what belonged to Caesar to Caesar and what belonged to God to God. He said that He was not a king of this world. Christians are expected to be in this world, but not of this world.

So your statement: “Catholic-politicians-who-are-Catholic-in-name-only School” could be modified as: Some-Catholic-priests-who-are-priests-in-name-only-but-in-reality-are-power-hungry-politicians-and-money-greedy-businessmen School.

Are you expecting Catholic politicians to implement the Canon Law? What if Muslim politicians want to implement Shariah Law and Hindu politicians want to implement Manu Smrithi?

Why is there so much objection to President Obama’s Health Care Plan from conservative Christians? What kind of Christianity is informing such a world view that stands in opposition to providing health care to more socially disadvantaged Americans?

Are you trying to sell the theory that one needs to be a Catholic priest in order to be a good politician? Or that Catholic priests as a rule should be telling politicians what to do? You don’t think it is sufficient for Catholic priests/Christian leaders to help Catholics/Christians in their charge to form a conscience in keeping with Christian values, and then leave each one to take responsibility for their actions in public office without being controlled by clergy?

The Vatican and the Pope has set a good example in this regard. They inform the faithful and the general public, including political leaders about their moral stand on issues without meddling in the politics of any country. But according to you, that would not be Catholicism or Christianity in action.

Only Islam was established as a theocracy. Judaism has long ceased to be a theocracy. Their prophets, priests, rulers etc had different functions after the age of Kings was past. I can’t really recall that at any time Jews had the equivalent of Mohammad, a Prophet, military commander, judge and religious leader, all rolled into one.
I wasn’t sure this ridiculous post should have a response. I never supported theocracy. Separation of Church and State - protestant ideal; State protecting freedom of religion and human dignity because all are made in the image and likeness of God - Catholic ideal. The former leads to the de-Christianizing and secularization of society. The latter is true freedom.

There is a danger for secularized Democracy to become a Dictatorship of the Majority.

As to me asking about your priest - the main reason is that I find it difficult to believe that you are a Catholic, or that much of your version of history has any basis outside your personal theory.
You claimed that your version is the “Trisshurian” REAL version - wouldn’t your parish then have the same “REAL” version to back yours up?

If you are so convicted of your position and that the Catholic church is made up of “power and money hungry” priests, and that the protestant missions did everything first, and deserve recognition instead of Catholics, etc etc etc… why do you claim victimization when asked about your parish priest? You could easily say that you would disagree with your priest, since he is, according to you, one of those people you mentioned above or that his scholarship is questionable since he was influenced by post-protestant missions, or that he isn’t an authentic St. Thomas Trisshurian… etc…
 
Mr SyroMalankara, I find it quite annoying when Christian groups in Kerala who benefited most from the selfless missionaries belonging to CMS, LMS, Basel Mission etc are unwilling to give credit where credit is due, simply because they chose to seek out Patriarchs from the Middle East in the nineteenth century, after they had first got all the help they needed from European Protestant missionaries. CMS is said to have trained 150 non-Catholic clergy in the twenty years that they worked with the group Rev Dr Buchanan had met in 1806, in addition to providing free education in their college and setting up schools, press etc. That many well trained clergy is more than enough to set up seminaries for a new church and keep it going without any further help from outside.
I don’t think anyone denies that their education system was very beneficial for the native population. BUT we have to see the good and the BAD. They fractured the Christian community. They instigated with the British/Dutch/etc governments.
European Protestant Missionaries did not come as part of any colonial trader team, ruler or monarch. (They were at times even at loggerheads with the British rulers who wanted a smooth running colony and no more.)
Not true. The protestant missions always follow the trading path. Worldwide. All of the protestant missionaries went to lands soon after trade was established, nearly everywhere that Christianity was already established, they soon infiltrated and fractured the local church - or at least attempted. The British missionaries being exceptionally skilled at this.
Lutherans are not Latin Rite Catholics. So it was easy for them to integrate into newly formed dioceses of the Jacobite churches in Malabar Coast when Basel Mission was shut down at the start of WW I, even if it would later (1932) come in communion with RCC.
How can you make such a claim? The LUTHERAN churches are protestant, mainly based on Western rites, translated from German. Their Order of Worship is similar to the Latin-Rite or Anglicans. The Jacobite (Orthodox) Churches, use mainly Syriac (very little Malayalam, at the time), pray in an Eastern manner, the Liturgy and form is completely different. The Jacobite (Orthodox) beliefs are more similar to Latin and Syro-Chaldean Catholics than anything the Lutherans taught.
It would not have been “easier for them to integrate”, it would have been completely foreign – unless the local people had exposure to the Syriac form of Christianity already (which they did).
 
I wasn’t sure this ridiculous post should have a response. I never supported theocracy.

Separation of Church and State - protestant ideal;

State protecting freedom of religion and human dignity because all are made in the image and likeness of God - Catholic ideal.

The former leads to the de-Christianizing and secularization of society. The latter is true freedom.

There is a danger for secularized Democracy to become a Dictatorship of the Majority.
Mr SyroMalankara, I wrote this before, but I will repeat it since you seem to forget the content of my posts very quickly.

The Queen is the head of Church of England. In all European Protestant states which still has even if only symbolic monarchies, the monarch is the head of the Protestant church in their respective lands.

When I wrote about the role of the Roman Catholic Pope, I was not referring to the times, he had power over secular rulers in Europe, and there was a lot of mixing of Church and State.

The separation of Church (religion) and state introduced into the US constitution was to remedy the errors done in the name of religions in Europe from where the early settlers to US came.

Indian secular democracy is to be along the same lines of separation of religion and state.

So you need to correct your statement about the ideal of church and state being Protestant, because it was not so, and is still not so in some official Protestant churches of Europe.

Separation of church and state INCLUDES the freedom to practice ANY religion.

I think you are mistaking a secular democracy with freedom of religion for communism, which does not permit the practice of any religion at all.

Why should a secular democracy which allows freedom of religion lead to atheism? Unless religion is something that had been forced by the state, why should anyone reject religion simply because the state does not impose it on them?

This what John F. Kennedy said on September 12, 1960, in his address to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association:

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute–where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote–where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference–and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.”

This separation can be rightly appreciated only when considers the benefits of not having the state interfere in the religious affairs of its citizens (as long as they don’t harm anyone). Think of countries where freedom of religion is not a given and the state gets to meddle with religion in all sorts of ways.

So, “State protecting freedom of religion and human dignity because all are made in the image and likeness of God,” is a Christian and Jewish ideal because they all follow the same Old Testament in which the first chapter of Genesis declares that human beings are made in the image and likeness of God. It can be even termed a humane ideal.
 
If you are so convicted of your position and that the Catholic church is made up of “power and money hungry” priests…
Please reread what I wrote:
Originally Posted by Mariamkutty: So your statement: “Catholic-politicians-who-are-Catholic-in-name-only School” could be modified as: Some-Catholic-priests-who-are-priests-in-name-only-but-in-reality-are-power-hungry-politicians-and-money-greedy-businessmen School.
Should I have concluded from your statement that you consider ALL Catholic politicians the world over as Catholic in name only?

My discussion had been about certain aspects of church history in Kerala that I do not agree with, simply because they happen to be written by priests, not about Catholic politicians. The discussion here is about the days of European colonial traders in Kerala 1500 - 1947, and the role of SOME clergy in a context when there was no separation of church and state in the European countries from which the colonial traders came, and from where the missionaries were derived. It stands to reason that at least a small portion of traders, and employees of the European trading companies, and their descendants, including those of mixed race, would have settled in Kerala after Portuguese, Dutch and British left.

Yet you distort what I write to give it a completely different meaning. Yet again.
… and that the protestant missions did everything first, and deserve recognition instead of Catholics, etc etc etc…
Mr SyroMalankara, it was YOUR non-Catholic group, the group to which your church belonged until 1932, that benefited from joint CMS training in their seminary for twenty years, 1816 - 1836, and English education they offered to all, even to those who had broken with them. I am referring to the credit that is given only to Patriarchs from the Middle East (one priest who founded the Syro Malankara Church after all belonged to the BAVA faction, and two belonged to the Metran faction) who came on the scene long after the non-Catholics had benefited from European Protestant education.

As to who set up schools for lay people first - it is a fact that European Protestants did. Giving credit where credit is due is about being dedicated to the truth. I did not deny the fact that Catholics followed in the footsteps of European Protestants in establishing schools and colleges and hospitals.
 
If you are so convicted of your position and that the Catholic church is made up of “power and money hungry” priests, and that the protestant missions did everything first, and deserve recognition instead of Catholics, etc etc etc… why do you claim victimization when asked about your parish priest? You could easily say that you would disagree with your priest, since he is, according to you, one of those people you mentioned above or that his scholarship is questionable since he was influenced by post-protestant missions, or that he isn’t an authentic St. Thomas Trisshurian… etc…
Mr SyroMalankara, I do not know how many of the priests in the Catholic church are power and money hungry. I do not know all the priests. However I did mention in an earlier post, that MOST priests and nuns are ordinary work horses, who work very hard for only board and keep, and have no access to power in the church hierarchy or access to church money that comes with it. Among the nuns and priests there is a small ruling group and the vast majority who are ruled and are expected to submit unquestioningly to the rules of obedience, chastity and poverty. Diocesan priests, known as secular priests, have more freedom on all counts because they do not have a superior to report to on a day to day basis. Yet most parish priests live simple lives. Those few who wield power in the church hierarchy however live by a different set of rules.

I did not claim victimization when you asked me for the name of my parish priest. I only said you are probably from an authoritarian background and are not used to having debates with anyone who disagrees with you.

Please do not speak on my behalf. If I feel the need to say anything to any priest in particular, rest assured I am capable of doing that without fear, and without your help and mediation.

Whatever historical claims I have disagreed with, is right here posted publicly on an international forum. I have encouraged everyone to look for as many primary sources as possible. Just because someone, even if happens to be a priest, has published a book claiming something, does not make it the Bible truth. I have disagreed with certain points based on information I have managed to collect from other sources, which I consider more primary. I have not mentioned any priest author by name, but have merely addressed general claims made by certain groups, represented by some members who posted here, including you.

You have had no qualms about thrashing any group you wanted - Portuguese, Jesuits etc. The mockery of “Latinizations” on your part has become a joke in itself, considering it comes from a church that was created in 1932 which borrowed its “perfect” Syriac Liturgy from the Middle East in the nineteenth century, after much European Protestant scholarship was also invested in the venture. Why don’t you allow the same freedom to those who don’t agree with what you consider to be right?
 
i don’t think anyone denies that their education system was very beneficial for the native population. But we have to see the good and the bad. They fractured the christian community. They instigated with the british/dutch/etc governments.
When the Portuguese were ousted completely from Malabar Coast by the Dutch in 1663 (beginning with Kollam in 1658), the Latin Rite Catholics, not directly under Portuguese Padroado, in their area of control was given to Papal Congregation of Propaganda Fide. The Dutch took care of ALL non-Catholics who lived in their areas of control. When they were ousted by British, an arrangement was made with British government for the care of non-Catholics. Hence the visit of Rev Dr Claudius Buchanan. The non-Catholics on Malabar Coast asked for political protection from the British! They felt persecuted by Tippu Sultan from the North and king of Travancore from the South, who had defeated the Dutch at Colachel in 1741.
Originally Posted by SyroMalankara: The protestant missions always follow the trading path. Worldwide. All of the protestant missionaries went to lands soon after trade was established, nearly everywhere that christianity was already established, they soon infiltrated and fractured the local church - or at least attempted. The British missionaries being exceptionally skilled at this.
When Portuguese and Spain started out first as explorers and then as colonial traders , there was no separation of church and state in both countries. In 1500, Martin Luther was still an Augustinian monk and Britain was still Roman Catholic.

All Catholic missionaries followed the flag. Neither the Dutch nor the British, both Protestant by the time they started on their colonial trading adventures, followed such a policy. A small number of missionaries did come, but not as an official part of the trading company policy.

CMS was not established as part of Church of England or Church of Scotland missionary efforts. It was a separate all European Protestant missionary society that operated independent of the British crown, but with the legal permission of the trading company. They did not even see eye to eye with the company on several matters.

I do agree that it was not fair of European Protestants to evangelize Catholic converts to Protestantism, in countries where there were plenty of non-Christians to preach to.

CMS offered help in Malabar Coast only to Christians who asked for it. They did attract a lot of people because they offered free English education. Everyone who took advantage of the education benefited from it. Without that British education, people of upper Travancore (Kottayam, Pathanamthitta, Alleppuzha…districts) would not be ahead of people from other areas of Kerala as they have been. Even if Christians in upper Travancore did not all join the Anglican communion, they did absorb British attitudes because of the thorough British education they received. It is not without reason that it is claimed sarcastically that when the British left, they left a lot of “brown pseudo British Sahibs” in their place who treated local “non-Sahibs” like inferior colonized.
Originally posted by SyroMalankara: The lutheran churches are protestant, mainly based on western rites, translated from german. Their order of worship is similar to the latin-rite or anglicans. The jacobite churches, use mainly syriac (very little malayalam, at the time), pray in an eastern manner, the liturgy and form is completely different. The jacobite beliefs are more similar to latin and syro-chaldean catholics than anything the lutherans taught. It would not have been “easier for them to integrate”, it would have been completely foreign – unless the local people had exposure to the syriac form of christianity already (which they did).
I have already dedicated several posts to how the Syriac Liturgy from the Middle East came to the non-Catholic community after the visit of Rev Dr Claudius Buchanan in 1806, and how no Patriarch from the Middle East had been in the picture during the Dutch period in Malabar Coast 1658 - 1795.

If a non-Catholic group of the Dutch period could so easily adopt different Syriac Liturgies from the Middle East in the nineteenth century, how difficult was it for newly converted Lutherans to adopt it as well when Lutheran Basel Mission was shut down at the start of World War One?

A great confusion has been created only because an impossible attempt is being made to bring all Christians of Malabar Coast (natives and settlers) from five centuries and different countries - Portuguese, Dutch and British, including locals, and mixed race - under the umbrella of a small group of ancient, native Christians who came in communion with RCC in 1599 and were in unbroken communion as part of See of Cranganore under Archdiocese of Goa, until 1886. Portuguese Padroado and Jesuits owe it to this community to make public the complete list of Latin Rite and Syrian rite churches and all the places where the ancient Christians lived when they were in control on Malabar Coast. The Dutch could similarly help by listing the places in which European traders settled during their time on Malabar Coast and the groups of non-Catholics who were under their protection. And what arrangement if any was made with the British government for all the non-Catholics under their control when they lost control on Malabar Coast. It goes without saying that Papal Congregation of Propaganda Fide could list the churches that were handed to their care by the Portuguese, and list the number of conversions, and all the new churches and dioceses that were created under their watch.

All the information regarding history of Christianity in Kerala since 1500 is out there. The only problem is that is held by different groups and it is passing through different political filters.
 
Mariamkutty will take long time to get all these and I wonder how many more threads she need to write this again and again. You repeat a lie hundred times and then it becomes truth is an old concept. Today, people has various sources to verify the information.
 
Mariamkutty will take long time to get all these and I wonder how many more threads she need to write this again and again. You repeat a lie hundred times and then it becomes truth is an old concept. Today, people has various sources to verify the information.
**That is precisely the point I was trying to make on these threads. Non-Catholic groups, and Latin Rite Catholics Diocese of Cochin, who got power and support of British Indian government and European Protestants after the visit of Rev Dr Claudius Buchanan in 1806, have written propaganda ever since and peddled it as history around the world. Now it is time to challenge that by asking people to go back to primary sources of historical information BEFORE the arrival of Rev Dr Buchanan to Malabar Coast.

Question 1. Why was there not a peep from non-Catholics when the Dutch were in Malabar Coast from 1658 - 1795?

Question 2. Why did the story of Coonan Cross Oath get started in the nineteenth century after the visit of Rev Dr Claudius Buchanan, when the supposed incident took place in 1653?

Question 3. Why did the non-Catholics not mention it to Rev Dr Claudius Buchanan when he visited them in 1806, and gave themselves only as a migrant group, like “Jews in Egyptian captivity?” What message do all the church property litigations convey about the non-Catholic group, including the Vatti-Panam (Interest money) case ?

Question 4. Why were there no Patriarchs from Middle East in the picture of non-Catholic groups during the Dutch period?

Question 5. Why are the non-Catholics concentrated in areas where there were Dutch settlements? Why did the Latin Rite Diocese of Cochin only go into schism when Portguese Padroado was suppressed in 1836 and Latin Rite parishes were to be handed over to Vicariate of Veropoly? Where did all the Lutheran converts disappear, since they did not revert to Hinduism?
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**In the twentieth century a nice little fiction has been written by the various church groups which tries to tie together all churches and connect them to the ancient local traditions which they did not share. But inventing the story that all ancient Christians broke with See of Cranganore, the malicious attempt was made to rob all locals of their ancient traditions.

Reading some of the versions more closely makes one realize they haven’t done such a good job of it as they imagine. There are far too many loose ends that have been ignored and is visible to anyone who reads it without keeping their heads in deep freeze with the notion, “if it is written by priests, then it must be true,” and are sufficiently informed about secular history of Europe and Malabar Coast at the time. The attitudes of locals are known only to locals, and that helps detect the flaws in the reasoning of outsider groups trying to adopt local traditions by simply writing good fiction. **
 
Are there any single family in Thrishur which can claim atleast 300 years of history ?

Some people wash there dirt publically and some Thrishur dhobbie women does that internationally.
 
Are there any single family in Thrishur which can claim atleast 300 years of history ?

Some people wash there dirt publically and some Thrishur dhobbie women does that internationally.
Mr LukaThomas, you should not enter into an academic discussion if you do not feel up to it. There is really no compulsion you know. If all the propaganda is out there for everyone to read, you should not have to worry that anyone is going to believe anything I have written here, a single opinion that calls for unbiased study of primary sources.

You reveal your true character when you resort to calling people names, issuing veiled threats. If your version of history of Christianity in Kerala is true, why should you stoop to such low levels when someone disagrees with your version? Your case should speak for itself, don’t you think? Why should you care when I ask people to look up primary historical sources before the Dutch arrived on Malabar Coast? Ask people to read accounts of the ancient Christian community by people who actually worked with them - the Augustinians and Jesuits?

You have called me a fisherwoman, now you call me a Thrissur bhobbie. What is next?
 
Are there any single family in Thrishur which can claim atleast 300 years of history ?
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There are plenty of families, genuine locals, who can claim more than 300 years of history. Not the kind of European recorded history of outsiders. But none of those families are about to subject themselves to colonial trader settler bullies asking them to prove their credentials.
 
LukaThomas, if you have any problem understanding how one-pastor New Age churches are made, ask the Americans. They are the absolute experts at it. It is done with great scholarship and deep study of whichever tradition they feel attracted to. Since the interpretation of a particular pastor may vary slightly from the version they have made the object of their study, they start a new Church. Americans being great innovators and inventors, they use that skill in starting a new church. It is really that simple.

What happened in Kerala among non-Catholics and Latin Rite Diocese of Cochin schismatics, in the nineteenth century after the visit of Rev Dr Claudius Buchanan in 1806 has many parallels if one looks for it. Everything has passed through the filter of British academics - collection of information for all possible sources and putting them together to make “perfect” Liturgies and traditions. Ongoing scholarship continues to fine tune everything, including coordinating versions written by people, both in Kerala and the Middle East and by European Protestants.

But real history is imperfect.

Think of all the Protestant churches that exist in the world today, although Martin Luther was ex-communicated from RCC only in the 1520s.

The difference in the different churches of Kerala created since the nineteenth century lies in their attempt to connect to an ancient local tradition and seeking communion with well established larger churches.

You need to know that the attempt by some groups to prove their “superiority” because of the “purity” of their Syriac Liturgies picked up from the Middle East and perfected with British scholarship in the nineteenth century, and contempt for “Latinizations” in the Syriac Liturgy of a group that comprises the ancient local community, and the demand that the ancient community should submit to the demands of other groups, has invited closer examination of their real history.
 
It presents the view held commonly by all St. Thomas Christians and the one that all scholars and academics hold, not just one person’s opinion within one branch of one group, within a small localized area, in one parish.
Until Galileo challenged the commonly held notion that the earth was flat…it was believed to be flat. Why? Because the scholars and academics of his day thought so!
 
A Non Resident Indian (NRI) group from one of the Kerala New Age churches paid money to the film making industry to have a film of their choice made regarding history of Christianity in Kerala.

It is any wonder that the movie is perfectly choreographed and fits the specifications of the funding party perfectly? Note carefully how in 1653, at the fictional Coonan Cross Oath (keep in mind Dutch captured Cochin in 1663 and the year for Coonan Cross Oath was invented arbitrarily in the nineteenth century!), all the so called St Thomas Christians living in Mattancherry, Cochin, a Portuguese colony for one hundred and fifty three years by then, are dressed like Hindu Nambudiri Brahmins! Portuguese had the policy of letting their men marry local women.
 
A Non Resident Indian (NRI) group from one of the Kerala New Age churches paid money to the film making industry to have a film of their choice made regarding history of Christianity in Kerala.
What an inflammatory comment! Do you have any proof of this or do you earn your living making false accusations about everything?

Dr. Joseph J. Palackal is an eminent scholar of musicology, hymnody, chant, bhajan, Syriac music, Chaldean ecclesial music, Malayalam, and ethnomusicology, as well as Syro-Malabar and Oriental hymns and chants. He is also a lecturer, professor and earned his Ph.D. at CUNY. He was born in Pallippuram, Alappuzha, Kerala. He is also a member of the Syro-Malabar Church.

You really should refrain from comments such as “New Age” Churches, etc… those are outrageous accusation against the Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Churches. “New Age” is modern day neo-gnosticism, nothing at all of the practices of these ancient Churches.
 
What an inflammatory comment! Do you have any proof of this or do you earn your living making false accusations about everything?

Dr. Joseph J. Palackal is an eminent scholar of musicology, hymnody, chant, bhajan, Syriac music, Chaldean ecclesial music, Malayalam, and ethnomusicology, as well as Syro-Malabar and Oriental hymns and chants. He is also a lecturer, professor and earned his Ph.D. at CUNY. He was born in Pallippuram, Alappuzha, Kerala. He is also a member of the Syro-Malabar Church.

You really should refrain from comments such as “New Age” Churches, etc… those are outrageous accusation against the Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Churches. “New Age” is modern day neo-gnosticism, nothing at all of the practices of these ancient Churches.
Mr SyroMalankara, it was in a reputed South Indian newspaper, which covers the Christian activities very favourably (unlike well known national newspapers which ignore the happenings of the Christian community altogether, except to highlight something negative) that I read many months ago about the privately funded movie (including overseas funding from NRI) about Apostle Thomas. In other words the Christian group were the producers who paid the movie industry to have a film made according to their specifications. Even big time politicians were roped in at a public function as a PR and marketing strategy. That is how the details made it to the secular press. The movie promo marketed it as an attempt by the Indian Christian community to spread the message of peace and love.

Who can blame anyone for such noble motives? How can anyone know that a certain group is pushing a certain agenda with the movie, using their money and political clout?

I sound like a spoiled sport when I highlight how the movie has used a very powerful subliminal image to drive home a fiction invented in the nineteenth century - the Coonan Cross Oath in 1653 - of Hindu Nambudiri Brahmins lined up to break with the Catholic Church. The story being peddled by groups who have a direct vested interest is that all authentic members of the ancient St Thomas Christian community broke with the Catholic church and migrated south to Kottayam - Pathanamthitta - Alapuzha districts (the important centers of non-Catholics established in the nineteenth century after the arrival of Rev Dr Claudius Buchanan in 1806). They even claim to know the exact number and names of all the families converted by Apostle Thomas in 52 AD. All of course all the Nambudiri Brahmin converts went to South Kerala and now belong to non-Catholic churches created in the nineteenth century. Since Syro Malankara Church was part
of the non-Catholic group until 1932, it shares the history of non-Catholics from the time of visit of Rev Dr Claudius Buchanan in 1806, until the formation of the church 126 years later.

***You are angry that I object to this atrocious propaganda being peddled by making a movie and marketing it all over the world as history? ***

What does the qualification or connections of a musician professor, who hails from South Kerala, who is starring in such a movie have to do with my critical review of the movie?

The intention that has been amply revealed by posts of at least two other members on this forum has revealed the malicious nature of what is actually going on with propaganda: to “prove” that See of Cranganore was a fiction or at best all authentic ancient Christians either left the communion with RCC, or migrated to South Kerala. And of course all the Nambudiri Brahmin converts of Thrissur District migrated south and are in non-Catholic churches, and are now rich NRIs. The malicious nature of the propaganda goes further: All the authentic ancient Christians who are members of Syro Malabar Church in Thrissur District, in the 1887 Vicariate of Thrissur, are actually recent Latin Rite converts!

And I am being a spoiled sport for calling all this to public attention on this forum? For wanting to trace the history of Christianity far back enough to reveal the origins of shift of power within the Christian community in Kerala, after the arrival of Dutch and the British?
 
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