Are you saying that the only options for an adoration chapel/shrine is BEHIND the seats for the people or other such objectionable area???
You were the one that suggested it be placed out of sight because it takes away from the mass, that is what I was referring to, and you absolutely know it… please quit twisting my words into something you know they are not:tsktsk: …
There are four modes of Christ’s presence in the Mass. In the Assembly, in the Priest, in the Word proclaimed and in a unique way in the Eucharist. Each of these modes of presence has a special place or focus in the church. The assembly in the nave, the priest at the chair, the Word at the ambo and the Eucharist on the Altar. The focus is on each of these modes during parts of the mass. The assembly during processions, the priest when he is offering prayer, the word when it is being proclaimed and the Eucharist during the anaphora and communion. When the word is being proclaimed our attention and focus should be at the ambo.“during the entire Mass our focus is not to be on the tabernacle.”
Joann,
What would be wrong with, say during the readings of the Liturgy of the Word, meditating upon the readings all-the-while staring at the tabernacle asking our Lord to help me understand them?(I ask this with all charity and respect)
I cannot see a problem with this.
I agree with you that during the Liturgy of the Eucharist our focus should be the Altar (which *symbolizes *Christ by the way – CCC 1383)
But to say “during the entire Mass our focus is not to be on the tabernacle” seems a tad – um, inflexible. Can you expound?
I said NOT IN THE SANCTUARY and I said I favored a separate chapel. That is NOT the same as ‘out of sight’.
Feel free to start a separate thread.When did genuflecting before the tabernacle cease to be the acceptable mode of worship? I understand the elderly and others with physical disability bowing. It seems the acceptable practice today in most Churches is to bow and some don’t even do that before stepping into the pew to sit down. Just wondering…
actually he has you here. you did not say you were in favor of abuses you did say you would like the tabernacle “in another location” which is the same as “in a closet”. In fact you have been pandering for another location this whole thread like the hundreds of years the tabernacle has been in the sanctuary is sooo wrong but now we have you to save us from such curruption. According to this quote the tabernacle has no business being in another building. And just for the record he did not list abuses. He gave no list whatsoever. maybe you have a guilty conscience or something, but whatever the case he did not list an abuse. he said…
which is confusing because the quote says the tabernacle should NOT be behind the seats of people. So from what this quote says NO the adoration chapel/shire containing the tabernacle should NOT be behind the seats of the people. So your objection in retrospect makes no sense whatsoever. please clarify what you meant here.
There is only one clarification – and it goes to the root cause of your confusion – you and the other poster are turning a very blind eye to the actual words of my posts and are inserting your own words for what is actually written. (FYI - the abuses are listed in the quote the other poster used.)actually he has you here. you did not say you were in favor of abuses you did say you would like the tabernacle “in another location” which is the same as “in a closet”. In fact you have been pandering for another location this whole thread like the hundreds of years the tabernacle has been in the sanctuary is sooo wrong but now we have you to save us from such curruption. According to this quote the tabernacle has no business being in another building. And just for the record he did not list abuses. He gave no list whatsoever. maybe you have a guilty conscience or something, but whatever the case he did not list an abuse. he said…
What??? didn’t you read the bold of #77… please slow down and read it again…Therefore it is a grave abuse to relegate the tabernacle to a room or to an area at the back of a church or to place it behind seats for the people.
you said…
Are you saying that the only options for an adoration chapel/shrine is BEHIND the seats for the people or other such objectionable area???
that is the quote the other poster used I lifted it directly from the conversation. We are not turning a blind eye to the words of you posts. You on the other hand are not reading what is plain on the page.
If you are not turning a blind eye then you are just deliberately rewriting what I actually posted (as well as selectively editing the quotes) to suit yourself.
reread it if you like that is your exact quote. Now you are saying I am lying to make my argument stronger. everyone here can clearly see that this is your exact quote you wrote only a few posts higher in the thread. Now I think this conversation is over before I say something you might regret.
I am not saying you are lying. You are, however, deliberately misrepresenting what has been posted - for example claiming I said something (hiding or putting the tabernacle out of sight) that I did not post.