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[JKirkLVNV]

True, but more often than not (i.e. 98%) traditional catholics are very orthodox while many “liberal” catholics are not orthodox. The majority of Catholics who use/condone birth control in the US are most likely not traditional catholics.

They are, by definition, NOT Catholics at all, if they persistently believe contrary to what the Church teaches on a subject of faith and morals. Their status as liberals or conservatives is beside the point.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

But it still works. I would only ever use it in the context of other traditionalists for the mere convince that most traditionalists would share the convention that Catholcis who are non-traditionalist are liberal.

I’m just trying to explain that it shouldn’t be taken offensivly. If perhaps there was a better way of identifying one another.

There is no way to NOT take it offensively. Liberalism is a defined heresy of the Church, yet the term “liberal” is freely bandied about by “traditionalists” on these fora about perfectly orthodox people, as is the term “modernism,” another heresy condemned by the Church. There isn’t a teaching of the Church that I don’t believe, but that doesn’t seem to be sufficient for some. I’m not a “traditionalist,” I’m simply an Catholic.

“It is, moreover, Our will that Catholics should abstain from certain appellations which have recently been brought into use to distinguish one group of Catholics from another. They are to be avoided not only as “profane novelties of words,” out of harmony with both truth and justice, but also because they give rise to great trouble and confusion among Catholics. Such is the nature of Catholicism that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole or as a whole rejected: “This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly; he cannot be saved” (Athanas. Creed). There is no need of adding any qualifying terms to the profession of Catholicism: it is quite enough for each one to proclaim “Christian is my name and Catholic my surname,” only let him endeavour to be in reality what he calls himself.” Benedict XV, Beatissimi Apostolorum

 

[Dempsey1919]

This thread seems to be taking a different direction. I started this thread to encourage people to promote the Tridentine Mass, not to debate who is the better Catholic.

Let’s not start with the Liberal V Traditionalist debate because they always end up as arguments. Let’s focus on all becoming more faithful Catholics irregardless of Mass preference.

However, I want to promote the Tridentine Mass because I want to preserve it for the future.

 

[A_Sinner_1]

The lamentation of the state of the Church is a recurring topic on the traditional forum. We have all vented our frustrations at the abuses and heretical teachings of the liberals within the Church. The opposition to the Tridentine Mass is also a common topic of conversation.

Most of us stand for orthodox Catholic belief and practice. We yearn for the day when the Church will be rid of the dissenters and liberals.

However, do we do enough to change the Church? It seems that the liberals are members of pastoral councils and liturgical committees. In fact, they appear to join anything they can in order to push their agendas.

Let’s not forget prayer!

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[rwoehmke]

Let’s not start with the Liberal V Traditionalist debate because they always end up as arguments. Let’s focus on all becoming more faithful Catholics irregardless of Mass preference.

My former boss just flipped in his grave. Irregardless is not a word. The word is regardless. I had that drummed into me.